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[lily_lane]

Excellent post above Bill_Oddie. :clap:

Just because you are a Berbafan above anything else, doesn't mean you have to pigeon hole me into being a Darren Bent fanboy. I follow Tottenham Hotspur FC, not Dimitar Berbatov FC.

But you can pidgeon hole me - mistakenly. :roll:

FYI I chose to support Spurs, as a North Londoner, and was taken to WHL for my first live match as a kid in the 70s, since when I have been a loyal supporter of the club.

Are my credentials sufficient for you inorder not to be categorized as a lightweight female with a crush?

I wrote my post after reading your opinions on SC that Bent scored the best Pen v PSV and would've taken a better Pen than Berbs in the CC Final. Your words as expressed on this forum. Eek

I think I'll slink off to the "Something for the Ladies" thread now and fullfil your sterotype of a bint who knows nowt about Football, but only swoons over their chests. :roll:

 

[Kendall]

Huh? so because i thought bent's class penalty was better AND I also feel he could have scored a pen in the cup final you say I'd prefer to see him?

I'm a Bent fan, guilty. But I'm a Berba fan too, just because I fight the former's corner more doesn't mean I rate him higher, but I do feel he gets unneccesary stick, and perhaps I like to even it out a bit.

You've gotten tetchy because I've 'pigeon holed' you as a Berba-only fan, well don't get all up on the defensive and insinuate that I'm some kind of fanboy purely because I'd like us to treat any game at the moment like pre-season and if Berba is going then he has no business being part of out plans. It is imporant for THFC to get Keane and Bent playing together, and getting the rest of the team linking with them - Berbatov, in my opinion, should have no part in that - he's nailed his colours to the mast and he's jumping ship.

 

[dynamoSpurs]

lily, are u single? i would love to go on a date..

 

[The Apprentice]

We need Berbatov more than he needs us.

 

[Kendall]

There are 2 compelling reasons to play Berbs against liverpool. Firstly, we really should applaud him for an outstanding 2 years. I haven't got the stats to hand, but wonder when the last time a player scored more goals than him in a 2 season period. He goes, we make a lot of money. Round of applause and then he can bugger off and we'll move on. Rather like Carrick.

The second, is perhaps more important. We drew with Liverpool (and should have beaten them) earlier in the campaign when Berbs won 2 terrific headers and set Keano up. Hence it would seem logical that this is our best chance of getting a result against them again. Bent is good in the air, but if we play him, we are sending a message that we aren't necessarily striving to put our best side out/give it our top chance of a win. Of course, seeing Bent and berbs in training, Ramos may have found that Berbs is not as motivated or in form and wouldn't be as good. We can only speculate on that. Common sense would, however, suggest that we should select Berbs.

I disagree.

My opinion is that if a player shows his cards and makes all the right noises about jumping ship, then (especially at te end of the season) we should be using every minute possible to plan without him. Bent & Keane started against Reading and showed real potential, I think they've both earned a start.

Practicality for THFC over compassion for Berbatov FC in my opinion - you wouldnt get this at Man United.

 

[rez9000]

Totally wrong! :bs:

But don't let that stop you hurling abuse at him.

He played at his previous club for 5.5 years and us for 2, and now wants to leave, that hardly qualifies for the title of "Berbaslag" does it? :roll:

What the hell does that have to do with anything? If anything it re-inforces my point that he's leaving for money. The fact that he's been pushing for an exit only 2 years into a (potential) 6 year contract. If he was so loyal, he'd have told his agent to stop stirring trouble, but he hasn't.

Plus, if I choose to 'hurl abuse' at a player who's off-the-pitch news makes more headlines than what he does on the pitch, that's my prerogative. Or do you believe that we should allow our best players to leave without expressing our outrage?

We're not going to claim a place at the top table if we keep letting players go when they or their agents try to cash in.

 

[PT]

If I honest, I stand by my own opinion that Dimitar Berbatov has given us two terrific seasons of opportunity to kick on with players of his stature to at least challenge for Champions League, titels and pots.

granted we've picked up one trophy this season, one his only successes with hardware, but that was in a season littered with elementary mistakes that must so frustrate not only The Berb, but our other players who know we should be doing better.

Like Carrick, I cannot stand on the terraces and scream petty abuse at a player who has made a life decision to aspire to realistic opportunities of aforesaid baubles of success. Berbatov gave it a decent shot but must realise that Spurs are some way off challenging perpetually for the goodies that he wants to see on his cabinet at home in years to come.

He deserves what every player deserves and that is opportunities to achieve all he can in his career, be it at Spurs or wherever he best feels able to have that opportunity. Spurs and Berbatov were made for each other in an ideal world but perhaps a couple of seasons too soon.

 

[rez9000]

The difference between Carrick and Berbatov is that Carrick didn't spend two years talking up an exit. Whatever the circumstances (and more recent reports suggest that the board are as much to blame for Carrick's departure as the player himself), the amount of crap we've had to put up with from Dantchev is far beyond what anyone would consider reasonable. It is up to Berbatov to censure his agent if he feels he's going too far, and he hasn't, which makes him just as culpable and open to criticism as Dantchev.

 

[Kendall]

Indeed. For all Berbatov's quality on the pitch, I feel he never did his part to stabilise the ship from uncertainty regarding his future with regard to his agent. And like it or not, that has an effect on the team.

 

[PT]

I agree. There is no place for agents in this game so far as I'm concerned. They are a necessary evil, granted, but there must be a decent alternative system to promote movement of players who in turn are expected to honour contracts.

A Contract would then be three years max for example with free release at the end. That in turn would lower purchase prices, pay higher player incentives and keep more money in the game.

 

[PT]

But that's another thread....

 

[Kendall]

It's a decent idea. I just feel dantchev was a;ways pimping Berbatov out and the fact that Berba has ben so coy about everything just reaffirms the notion all along that we were a stepping stone - that doesn't sit well with me, and he loses my respect as a result.

You see the link bulletspur put up regarding Keita. He's said one of the big 4 is interested, he's happy at sevilla and will stay, BUT if an offer is accepted he could leave. That's a more admirable stance than merely saying 'I'll be flattered to go and have talks with milan' - without even mentioning the possibility that Spurs won't accept their bid.

Berba's case is a clear cut case of the player thinking he's bigger than the club.

 

[hybridsoldier]

Not since the advent of the so called *Big 4* - no.

Even players a step down from Berbs in terms of talent like Bentley and Barry don't want to stay at their clubs, and like it or not, we are with the Villas {former European Cup Winners} and Blackburns.

But Berba is a **** for being atracted by Milan. :roll:

very smart and realistic post

true media always fucks us over because whenever we have good players its like we are not allowed them.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Berbs coulda gone in Jan . If he had joined Utd or Chelsea , its likely he'd be looking forward to the CL Final now .

So we can't be too hard on him . Yes his agent has wound us up which is partly Berb's fault , but its not a hanging offence .

However , he's going so we must look to the future .On the bench against L'pool please .

 

[Kendall]

I don't actually believe he could've gone in jan because nobody made a suitable bid.

Agree that he should be on the bench against Liverpool and 'do a Darren Bent' and come on on 80 mins.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Quite possibly K . But holey moley there was an enormous Press/Agent hoo hah about his departure in Jan eh .

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

The difference between Carrick and Berbatov is that Carrick didn't spend two years talking up an exit. Whatever the circumstances (and more recent reports suggest that the board are as much to blame for Carrick's departure as the player himself), the amount of crap we've had to put up with from Dantchev is far beyond what anyone would consider reasonable. It is up to Berbatov to censure his agent if he feels he's going too far, and he hasn't, which makes him just as culpable and open to criticism as Dantchev.

you are probably right, have wanted to see Berba censure his agent but sadly he hasn't, which says it all really

While it has been great watching him at Spurs and I can understand him wanting CL football and he will leave on good terms, I don't however think 2 years is enough to be classed as a legend, he wouldn't have given Ramos a full season even

one of the best players to play in a Spurs shirt sure, legend NO :snooty:

it doesn't compare to players like Mabbutt and also Perryman etc who played over 800 games for Spurs, not that I was old enough to see him play, but thats not the point, my old man has talked about him :wink:

 

[chinaman]

the only thing about Perryman was being a one club man. He was boring as hell and I used to call him the Prince of the Square Pass. Both him and John Pratt had no imagination in the offensive part of the game, but I preferred Pratt more as at least he ran around like mad and didn't look as scour as Perryman.

 

[C0YS]

the only thing about Perryman was being a one club man. He was boring as hell and I used to call him the Prince of the Square Pass. Both him and John Pratt had no imagination in the offensive part of the game, but I preferred Pratt more as at least he ran around like mad and didn't look as scour as Perryman.

arnt most defenders boring!? actually when I watch perryman in vids. Yes he isnt the most creative however he is great defensively and can go forward and put a couple of good crosses in. wasnt Pratt a midfielder which ment he had to "create" and be creative, so for me thats a bit more of a problem. I for one couldnt give a toss if my defenders are creative or not, thats not their job

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

I agree. There is no place for agents in this game so far as I'm concerned. They are a necessary evil, granted, but there must be a decent alternative system to promote movement of players who in turn are expected to honour contracts.

A Contract would then be three years max for example with free release at the end. That in turn would lower purchase prices, pay higher player incentives and keep more money in the game.

Why? Scholes and Neville have never had one. They just hired solictors when they were discussing new contracts.