Jermain Jenas

[BringBack_leGin]

mate you obviously didnt read the full statement i made as i see you just cut and pasted the bits you wanted to highlight

I SAID IN HIS FIRST CONTRACT HE HAD A CLAUSE THAT SAID HE HAS TO PLAY WHEN FIT :bang: ...... THIS IS THE FIRST CONTRACT HE SIGNED WHEN HE CAME FROM NEWCASTLE ( where my friends dad is now employed)
AS ALL SPURS FANS KNOW JENAS SIGNED A 5 YEAR EXT LAST SEASON
THE CLAUSE WAS PROBABLY NOT IN THE NEW DEAL BUT I DONT KNOW.:hump:

seriously i have never known anything like this situation where a very very average player has so many people love him or hate him.

as for personal attacks on us non jenas lovers .... sort it out lads !!! the mess we are in at the moment we need a graham roberts style midfielder but it seems some of you are happy to see us get relegated playing with a graham norton :shake: (8) in the middle !!!

I won't go into whether or not I disagree or agree with your points, you wrote an entire paragraph in capital letters so I can't be bothered, but you might be interested to know that Graham Roberts was a defender.

 

[ginol@14]

I'd love a good DM but we don't have one. I'd be extatic is Harry signed a top midfielder during this window but until that happens I think Jenas has to play. I've never said Jenas is a world beater but I do think he's the best option from the players we have.

nice one , finally someone has managed to reply without a personal attack
footballs all about opinions mate and i respect yours.
jenas would never get in my team as i have seen every home game since he signed and for me he just aint good or strong enough.
i think that harry dont rate him either thats why he has got appiah waiting in the wings and will link him up with either modric zok or hudd with hopefully a left winger on their way too ..... we will know soon .... all i know is im really scared we are going down this season , we need 3 points more than we have ever had in all my time supporting spurs

 

[ginol@14]

I won't go into whether or not I disagree or agree with your points, you wrote an entire paragraph in capital letters so I can't be bothered, but you might be interested to know that Graham Roberts was a defender.

lol i know he was but he played many times ina 5 man midfield as hoddles defensive cover ....... he was hard as nails and the type of player we need ( if they still exist)

as for writting a paragraph in capitals it was because even though he was having a go at me , he didnt actually read the paragraph he highlighted properly

 

[Bus-Conductor]

After Modric and Gomes I would have thought that Jenas and Zokora would be the next two names on the team sheet based on ability and effort.

There's so much bollocks spoken on here about these two but the facts are, compared to the rest of the premiership (ie the real fucking world in which they inhabit, not some fantasy fucking league that the rest of you twats seem to think we have or do play in, where for the previous 30 years we've dominated world football with a team of uber fucking galacticos) Jenas and Zokora would walk into most teams. They would have a manager that would use their skills (as did Jol and Ramos) to anchor the team and play possession football as both of these players consistantly turn in the better passing, tackling and possession stats than most CM's in the league, as we continually prove by posting them on here.

No they don't often make 50 yard through balls with back spin, or score claus fucking fisher overhead kicks. But if ****'s like Lennon, Bentley, Bent, Bale, Huddlestone could do their jobs anything like as consistantly as Jenas and Zokora we wouldn't have a fucking problem.

But what happens. Lennon and Bentley see loads of the ball (curteousy of Jenas and Zokora) but do absoloutely fuck all with it.

Bent doesn't even want the fucking ball off them, and Huddlestone doesn't do enough either. If he did he'd be first fucking name on the team sheet.

Wise up FFS. Look at teams like Villa & Everton. Full of decent but average players, but they "all" give the same effort.

If the rest of our team gave what Jenas and Zokora do we'd be about 15 points better off and still have a decent manager.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

lol i know he was but he played many times ina 5 man midfield as hoddles defensive cover ....... he was hard as nails and the type of player we need ( if they still exist)

In the mid 80's especially in the uefa cup winning run, he did play in midfield a fair bit. and he was far more subtle on the ball than people gave him credit for.

I don't think we are lacking in players who are tough enough or determined enough, or even passionate enough. i think the manager is just not picking the right side to create, hence why we can't score to save our lives. the team that played the second half v burnley should have played yesterday.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

After Modric and Gomes I would have thought that Jenas and Zokora would be the next two names on the team sheet based on ability and effort.

There's so much bollocks spoken on here about these two but the facts are, compared to the rest of the premiership (ie the real fucking world in which they inhabit, not some fantasy fucking league that the rest of you twats seem to think we have or do play in, where for the previous 30 years we've dominated world football with a team of uber fucking galacticos) Jenas and Zokora would walk into most teams. They would have a manager that would use their skills (as did Jol and Ramos) to anchor the team and play possession football as both of these players consistantly turn in the better passing, tackling and possession stats than most CM's in the league, as we continually prove by posting them on here.

No they don't often make 50 yard through balls with back spin, or score claus fucking fisher overhead kicks. But if ****'s like Lennon, Bentley, Bent, Bale, Huddlestone could do their jobs anything like as consistantly as Jenas and Zokora we wouldn't have a fucking problem.

But what happens. Lennon and Bentley see loads of the ball (curteousy of Jenas and Zokora) but do absoloutely fuck all with it.

Bent doesn't even want the fucking ball off them, and Huddlestone doesn't do enough either. If he did he'd be first fucking name on the team sheet.

Wise up FFS. Look at teams like Villa & Everton. Full of decent but average players, but they "all" give the same effort.

If the rest of our team gave what Jenas and Zokora do we'd be about 15 points better off and still have a decent manager.

you seemed riled already so I shan't put forth another view

 

[ginol@14]

In the mid 80's especially in the uefa cup winning run, he did play in midfield a fair bit. and he was far more subtle on the ball than people gave him credit for.

I don't think we are lacking in players who are tough enough or determined enough, or even passionate enough. i think the manager is just not picking the right side to create, hence why we can't score to save our lives. the team that played the second half v burnley should have played yesterday.

maybe your right because in all honesty our forwards this season have had the worst service i have ever seen
you just have to look at our goals scored this season , its very poor

 

[DC_Boy]

good stuff BC - have some rep

 

[JollyHappy]

our current problems are definitely in the midfield. Defence isn't doing too badly. Up front, Pav, Defoe and Bent are all capable of scoring goals at premiership level if they get the support and chances created.

So midfield is the problem area and part of that problem is that if you play Modric and Lennon (who are our best attacking midfielders) then you suffer in balance especially on the left.

The real problem as I see it at the moment is that none of our midfielders are consistent. Chose any one of Modric Jenas, Zokora or Huddlestone this season and you can name 2 or 3 games where people have raved about them. You then find a few games later they lose that form. Huddlestone is a great example. He started the first few games under Harry and no wcan't find his way into the team.

Modric is also an issue as if you play 2 upfront then you have to design the midfield to protect him and allow him to play. We saw against Wigan that Modric got bundled off the ball too many times.

If we play Modric then I'd go for a midfield of

O Hara Huddlestone Modic Lennon (or Bentley if he can start to find his from again).

If you rest Modric then replace him with Jenas.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

From memory, JJ always seems to score in the game after we have our biggest debates about his qualities. Here's hoping.

 

[Loque]

After Modric and Gomes I would have thought that Jenas and Zokora would be the next two names on the team sheet based on ability and effort.

There's so much bollocks spoken on here about these two but the facts are, compared to the rest of the premiership (ie the real fucking world in which they inhabit, not some fantasy fucking league that the rest of you twats seem to think we have or do play in, where for the previous 30 years we've dominated world football with a team of uber fucking galacticos) Jenas and Zokora would walk into most teams. They would have a manager that would use their skills (as did Jol and Ramos) to anchor the team and play possession football as both of these players consistantly turn in the better passing, tackling and possession stats than most CM's in the league, as we continually prove by posting them on here.

No they don't often make 50 yard through balls with back spin, or score claus fucking fisher overhead kicks. But if ****'s like Lennon, Bentley, Bent, Bale, Huddlestone could do their jobs anything like as consistantly as Jenas and Zokora we wouldn't have a fucking problem.

But what happens. Lennon and Bentley see loads of the ball (curteousy of Jenas and Zokora) but do absoloutely fuck all with it.

Bent doesn't even want the fucking ball off them, and Huddlestone doesn't do enough either. If he did he'd be first fucking name on the team sheet.

Wise up FFS. Look at teams like Villa & Everton. Full of decent but average players, but they "all" give the same effort.

If the rest of our team gave what Jenas and Zokora do we'd be about 15 points better off and still have a decent manager.

well said. :clap:

 

[StartingPrice]

BC:up:

Bring Back LeGin:up:

No position is so important as central midfield (well, apart from forwards, oh, and defence, oh, and 'keeper, blah bl;ah blah:grin, but seriously. It should be the first line of defence, the engine-room, and the well-spring of creativity.

I agree with you BC, in that Zoko gets far too much stick, because 'being in the right place' isn't as spectacular as a crunching tackle, and a simple pass isn't as spectacular as a 50 yard, on the button pass 9with back-spin) - oh, and he hasn't scoredmg::grin: (and how must Real madrid fans still rue the cheap departure of Makele); and I agree that jenas, on form is almost the complete midfield player. I do, however, feel that Zoko gives the ball away too easily, and his decision making is often derisory (like, the number of times he gallops forward and then either shoots when we all know he will NEVER score, or mis-passes). And Jenas is, because of his ability/consistency ratios, one of the most enigmatic players in the English game.

BB LeGin, makes a fair analysis of the midfield situation - but as DC says, the real problem at the moment is coming from a lack of creativity from the wings, so, even if the central midfield goes its job and gets the ball out wide, not enough is being done with it from there. Which makes us revisit the call Spurs fans have been making, literally for about 5 years for a genuine left-winger (despite being told we were obsessed with it); and having either a right-winger who can run, but can't cross (Lennon), or a right-winger who can cross, but can't run (Bentley) - oh, if only we could put them into some strange particle excelerator, in a 'The Fly' like experiment, and produce Darron Bentlllon, the fastest, most accurate passer in the west. But, lloking at the auguries, it looks like BBLG could be right - 'Arry is obviously intending on bringing in Appiah, or someone like him, and he has voiced his opinion that you gotta build a team around a player as talented as Modric - so, it will still be a 4-4-2, but with Appiah,destroying, and giving Mods the ball, and Mods being the creative genius (kinda like a latter-day Keane-Scholes axis). And the rumours are that JJ could be off, Zoko will probably be back-up, and THudd could have to wait his turn (or leave).

 

[Spurs_Q8]

Believe me, give it a try:

Gomes
Corluka - Dawson - Woodgate - Bale
Bentley - Jenas - Modric - O'Hara/Lennon
Defoe - Pavlyuchenko​

or​

Gomes
Corluka - Dawson - Woodgate - Ekotto
Bentley - Jenas - Modric - Bale
Defoe - Pavlyuchenko​

This is the only way to get our the best of them including JJ.

 

[Alfieconnman]

Believe me, give it a try:

Gomes
Corluka - Dawson - Woodgate - Bale
Bentley - Jenas - Modric - O'Hara/Lennon
Defoe - Pavlyuchenko​

or​

Gomes
Corluka - Dawson - Woodgate - Ekotto
Bentley - Jenas - Modric - Bale
Defoe - Pavlyuchenko​

This is the only way to get our the best of them including JJ.

Both selections are a certain recipe for relegation in my view. It is suicide to play Mod and JJ together in midfield as neither have defensive qualities and are too similar in style. Modric is by far the better player and would always get the nod ahead of Jenas. If we can secure Appiah (and assuming he is fit) he should blend well with Modric as he is a "box to box" mid with both good defensive and goal scoring abilities. Without him surely either Hudd or Zok would make a better partner for Mod in midfield as they are better defensively than Jenas. Bale is currently out of form and confidence and at the moment is a liability we cannot afford in either position but paticularly LB.

 

[Wiener]

THE CLAUSE WAS PROBABLY NOT IN THE NEW DEAL BUT I DONT KNOW.:hump:

He was on the bench yesterday. That should give you a clue.

I very much doubt your imaginary clause existed in the first place.

I thought this was a (very general) debate about the merits and faults of Jermaine Jenas, whether we should keep him and who should/could replace him. You seem to be trying to shift the debate away from football on to how you feel about Jenas.

 

[ginol@14]

He was on the bench yesterday. That should give you a clue.

I very much doubt your imaginary clause existed in the first place.

I thought this was a (very general) debate about the merits and faults of Jermaine Jenas, whether we should keep him and who should/could replace him. You seem to be trying to shift the debate away from football on to how you feel about Jenas.:stupid:

is it that difficult for you to believe im friends with someone who had access to info within the team ??? the clause WAS in the first contract and dont bother replying to any of my comments if your going to be personal.

the debate is about jenas , and my opinion is he is not good enough to play for spurs and judging by newspaper reports , harry feels the same too.

 

[C-oops]

After Modric and Gomes I would have thought that Jenas and Zokora would be the next two names on the team sheet based on ability and effort.

There's so much bollocks spoken on here about these two but the facts are, compared to the rest of the premiership (ie the real fucking world in which they inhabit, not some fantasy fucking league that the rest of you twats seem to think we have or do play in, where for the previous 30 years we've dominated world football with a team of uber fucking galacticos) Jenas and Zokora would walk into most teams. They would have a manager that would use their skills (as did Jol and Ramos) to anchor the team and play possession football as both of these players consistantly turn in the better passing, tackling and possession stats than most CM's in the league, as we continually prove by posting them on here.

No they don't often make 50 yard through balls with back spin, or score claus fucking fisher overhead kicks. But if ****'s like Lennon, Bentley, Bent, Bale, Huddlestone could do their jobs anything like as consistantly as Jenas and Zokora we wouldn't have a fucking problem.

But what happens. Lennon and Bentley see loads of the ball (curteousy of Jenas and Zokora) but do absoloutely fuck all with it.

Bent doesn't even want the fucking ball off them, and Huddlestone doesn't do enough either. If he did he'd be first fucking name on the team sheet.

Wise up FFS. Look at teams like Villa & Everton. Full of decent but average players, but they "all" give the same effort.

If the rest of our team gave what Jenas and Zokora do we'd be about 15 points better off and still have a decent manager.

The main problem with Jenas is that he ISN'T consistent at all. How can you not see it. I don't think in an ideal world Zokora shuold be playing for us either but he is a far better option than jenas at the moment because he actually puts some effort in.

 

[C-oops]

and i've just seen this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...fers-Jenas-tempt-Wigan-Palacios.html?ITO=1490

Spurs manager Redknapp offers Jenas to tempt Wigan over Palacios


By Colin Young
Last updated at 4:18 PM on 12th January 2009

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Wigan Athletic boss Steve Bruce is fighting to keep midfielder Wilson Palacios after Tottenham Hotspur made an £8million bid for the Honduras international.

Spurs boss Harry Redknapp's initial offer for the 24-year-old has been turned down by Bruce and Wigan chairman Dave Whelan, but Redknapp is now prepared to offer England midfielder Jermaine Jenas as part of the deal.

Jenas, whose role as Spurs vice-captain has been subject of recent speculation, was left out of the Tottenham side which lost at the JJB Stadium on Sunday and he has struggled to keep a regular place since Redknapp took over at White Hart Lane.


Redknapp is looking for extra bodies following the addition of England striker Jermain Defoe last week, and he is willing to part company with a number of players in the squad he inherited from Juande Ramos.

The Spurs boss was distinctly unimpressed by his side's surrender at Wigan yesterday and he left a number of high profile signings on the bench, including Jenas, Darren Bent. David Bentley and Aaron Lennon.

Spurs manager Redknapp offers Jenas to tempt Wigan over Palacios


By Colin Young
Last updated at 4:18 PM on 12th January 2009

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Wigan Athletic boss Steve Bruce is fighting to keep midfielder Wilson Palacios after Tottenham Hotspur made an £8million bid for the Honduras international.

Spurs boss Harry Redknapp's initial offer for the 24-year-old has been turned down by Bruce and Wigan chairman Dave Whelan, but Redknapp is now prepared to offer England midfielder Jermaine Jenas as part of the deal.

Jenas, whose role as Spurs vice-captain has been subject of recent speculation, was left out of the Tottenham side which lost at the JJB Stadium on Sunday and he has struggled to keep a regular place since Redknapp took over at White Hart Lane.

Target man: Wilson Palacios is wanted by Tottenham

Swap deal: Harry Redknapp wants to offer swap Jenas for Palacios


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Redknapp is looking for extra bodies following the addition of England striker Jermain Defoe last week, and he is willing to part company with a number of players in the squad he inherited from Juande Ramos.

The Spurs boss was distinctly unimpressed by his side's surrender at Wigan yesterday and he left a number of high profile signings on the bench, including Jenas, Darren Bent. David Bentley and Aaron Lennon.

Not happy: Spurs manager Harry Redknapp was unhappy with his side's performance at Wigan last weekend

Bruce meanwhile may be resigned to losing top scorer Emile Heskey to Liverpool on a free transfer in the summer, but he will battle to keep hold of Palacios and Ecuador international Luis Antonio Valencia who has also been alerting top clubs in the country.

Palacios is one of the real finds of Bruce's career and the Wigan manager signed him from his former club Birmingham City. He paid £1 million to the Midlands club after discovering him at little known Argentinian club Olimpo two years ago.

Now valued at around £10 million by Wigan, the defensive midfielder has also been linked with a move to Manchester United, which is a deal Bruce may be prepared to accept for closer to £10million during the close season.




Someone here said, when disagreeing with me about Jenas being good enough, that every manager has been picking him so he muct be worth his place. Well he wwas on the bench yesterday , stripped of the VC and now this...
Hopefullty this will be the end of the matter. He'll go and we can start in the effort to stay in the league with a group of players that actually care.

 

[Mullers]

If we get rid of Jenas it is the beginning of the end for us. He can be a frustrating player but he is our best midfielder player. He is an all rounder, we need to make the squad stronger not weaker.

 

[C-oops]

If we get rid of Jenas it is the beginning of the end for us. He can be a frustrating player but he is our best midfielder player. He is an all rounder, we need to make the squad stronger not weaker.

You obviously haven't watched any Spurs mathes in the last 18 months or paid any attention to whats happening.