Jermain Jenas

[StartingPrice]

I agree with Sunny - it is ridiculous hos much stick he gets - but he is also infuriating to watch sometimes, as we all (well most of us) know what he can produce, yet he is forever mis-firing, mis-crossing, and wasting free-kicks. That said, I think it would be a massive mistake to sell him (Bobby Robson considers him to be the most talented player he ever worked with, and that has to be taken seriously, even if you disagree) - though if this mornings' reports are to be believed, this may well happen.

 

[DC_Boy]

well said ks sd and sp

 

[Hoowl]

Back to the awful combination of Zokora and Jenas with Defoe in front.. Oh dear..

Zokora and Jenas were midfield partners in a team that managed 5th place in the league. Obviously Keane and Berbatov were a large part of that but we wouldn't have achieved such a high finish with any old players in central midfield. If all our midfielders are fit Jenas would be the first I'd put on the teamsheet. For all his flaws, I think he's our best all round midfielder and currently the most effective midfielder we have in the premiership.

 

[C-oops]

I think it more surprising that there are people that still think he is a good footballer. You can go on about form being temporary and class perminent but if you've shown bad form in the majority of matches ( in the last 18 months at least) you would have to think that the class maybe isn't there in the first place. The fans who notice his sometimes complete non involvement in a match can't all be wrong, and if they are anything like me want him gone for the good of our club. No point being sentimental about it or caring what Bobby Robson thinks ( who famously signed the carl cort instead of jason euell by mistake so isn't the most "with it" of managers) We need players that will fight and actually perform.

 

[markie]

Wow, one game in and already you write the guy off.

Imagine if we'd done that 1 game in with berbatov after he was outmuscled and uninvolved on his debut away to Bolton.

Are you forgetting how shit this combination used to be... that is my point you twat. Not how he performed from one game but the whole time he was with us being rubbish

 

[DC_Boy]

Zokora and Jenas were midfield partners in a team that managed 5th place in the league. Obviously Keane and Berbatov were a large part of that but we wouldn't have achieved such a high finish with any old players in central midfield. If all our midfielders are fit Jenas would be the first I'd put on the teamsheet. For all his flaws, I think he's our best all round midfielder and currently the most effective midfielder we have in the premiership.

well said Hoowl - have some rep

 

[Michey]

Couldn't agree more markie - have some rep -but the JJ witch hunt is now of such proportions I think he's best out of it

But he's not even near what Gomes went through.....miles and miles from it.
Let's for his sake hope he won't get near Real Madrid then.......he won't last 3 weeks because there you really have ultras that demands quality from day 1 from the players.

What makes Jenas so special?? Just because he's not cheered like our biggest players through the history. How many players gets cheered and always gets love from the fans? Ain't too many during the years.

But when it comes to Jenas, it isn't fair and we should feel sad for him. Why's that?

How many harsh words and tough treatment in media has he had to fight with as a pro fotballer. I'm asking you english that has followed him in your media since Nottingham and Newcastle.

 

[StartingPrice]

I think it more surprising that there are people that still think he is a good footballer. You can go on about form being temporary and class perminent but if you've shown bad form in the majority of matches ( in the last 18 months at least) you would have to think that the class maybe isn't there in the first place. The fans who notice his sometimes complete non involvement in a match can't all be wrong, and if they are anything like me want him gone for the good of our club. No point being sentimental about it or caring what Bobby Robson thinks ( who famously signed the carl cort instead of jason euell by mistake so isn't the most "with it" of managers) We need players that will fight and actually perform.

As I take it you are referring specifically to my post:

1) I went out of my way to point out that JJ is frustrating because of his lack of consistency, and, yes, he does sometimes go missing, and that really gets my goat.

2) In regard to Bobby Robson, your comment is one notch down from saying Slur Alex is crap 'cos he signed Veron. The simple truth is that in a technical sense JJ has virtually everything, wchich is why Sir Bobby made the comment - what seems to be lacking is a consistent mental attitude (hence his inconsistency and 'missing' episodes.

3) RE: 'fighting' - well, yeah, see above, regarding consistency and 'missing-ness'...but, he showed plenty of fight against the ArseScum (this season - and on other occasions) - suggesting, again, it his the consistency of attitude that needs working on (perhaps 'Arry can 'elp).

I reiterate, however, technically, he is an exceptionally gifted player, and, IMHO, those of us who would prefer to keep him, on the sole basis that he produces more regularly, are less deluded thatn those who assess him as 'crap' and want rid.

 

[Hoowl]

I think it more surprising that there are people that still think he is a good footballer. You can go on about form being temporary and class perminent but if you've shown bad form in the majority of matches ( in the last 18 months at least) you would have to think that the class maybe isn't there in the first place. The fans who notice his sometimes complete non involvement in a match can't all be wrong, and if they are anything like me want him gone for the good of our club. No point being sentimental about it or caring what Bobby Robson thinks ( who famously signed the carl cort instead of jason euell by mistake so isn't the most "with it" of managers) We need players that will fight and actually perform.

Carrick got slated many times. He was often called invisible during his reign at Spurs.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Are you forgetting how shit this combination used to be... that is my point you twat. Not how he performed from one game but the whole time he was with us being rubbish

Mods? You reading this?

My post was very inoffensive I must point out.

 

[t7ny]

The most annoying thing about Jenas is that when he does lose the ball he makes no attempt to win it back or stop the impending counter-attack that was his fault for losing the ball. Zokora may be a less gifted football player I agree, but his work rate and determination especially when he loses the ball is second to none.
Wasn't him who was sprinting like a madman agianst the Wigan striker when the defence was all caught out of position? that kind of will and pride is missing from so many players at the moment.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Carrick got slated many times. He was often called invisible during his reign at Spurs.

Did he? Were there actually fans who failed to see that he controlled games from start to finished, interccepted everything thrown at our defence, and was a key component to our best defence ever?

Regarding your Jenas, Zokora, fifth place point, as you point out it was very much down to a very good attack. On top of that, we had very good flanks with Lennon and Steed, with Lennon having a very effective season where he assisted a lot of times, with only Berbatov assisting more.

Lennon is still there, and in my opinion playing very well, but Berbatov and Keane have become Pavlyuchenko and Defoe, who, while they are good goalscorers, do not create much and do rely on service. Furthermore, Steed, both a battler and a creator, has become O'Hara, which keeps the fight but loses the creativity, or Bentley, which loses both the fight and the creativity on current evident.

Given that they should have a relationship by now, I would happily see Zokora and Jenas remain the central pairing for the remainder of this season to fight relegation, but I think in the summer things need to be
addressed. Until then, I'd keep both Lennon and Modric in the side as well, but in what positions I am unsure.

 

[Hoowl]

The most annoying thing about Jenas is that when he does lose the ball he makes no attempt to win it back or stop the impending counter-attack that was his fault for losing the ball. Zokora may be a less gifted football player I agree, but his work rate and determination especially when he loses the ball is second to none.
Wasn't him who was sprinting like a madman agianst the Wigan striker when the defence was all caught out of position? that kind of will and pride is missing from so many players at the moment.

I can remember many lung busting runs back from Jenas and some crunching tackles too.

 

[StockSpur]

Yes t7ny, Zokora loses the ball far more but makes a lot more effort to get the ball back. Zokora demonstarted yesterday that he doesnt know what to do if he has to go forward with the ball.

Zokoras distribution is woeful and Jenas for some reason hasnt got any better but sems to get worse.

The main problem yesterday came about becuase there was no real link to the forwards, it was just a mess which noone couldve done anyhting about.

We just dont have a stand out CM.

 

[StartingPrice]

Did he? Were there actually fans who failed to see that he controlled games from start to finished, interccepted everything thrown at our defence, and was a key component to our best defence ever?

Sadly, yes - some of us had a hell of a time on sites such as this one (well specifally this one, as i wasn't a member of any other), trying to convince 'wilder-folk' that carrick was actually a seriously good footballer:bang:

 

[markie]

Mods? You reading this?

My post was very inoffensive I must point out.

Haha... Mummy Help the bigger boys are bullying me!

Calm down mate. You were being an idiot so i just thought i would make it clear

 

[ginol@14]

How do you explain Jenas being benched yesterday? You must feel like a bit of an idiot now. You probably are one, based on your rather inflated opinion of your footballing knowledge.

mate you obviously didnt read the full statement i made as i see you just cut and pasted the bits you wanted to highlight

I SAID IN HIS FIRST CONTRACT HE HAD A CLAUSE THAT SAID HE HAS TO PLAY WHEN FIT :bang: ...... THIS IS THE FIRST CONTRACT HE SIGNED WHEN HE CAME FROM NEWCASTLE ( where my friends dad is now employed)
AS ALL SPURS FANS KNOW JENAS SIGNED A 5 YEAR EXT LAST SEASON
THE CLAUSE WAS PROBABLY NOT IN THE NEW DEAL BUT I DONT KNOW.:hump:

seriously i have never known anything like this situation where a very very average player has so many people love him or hate him.

as for personal attacks on us non jenas lovers .... sort it out lads !!! the mess we are in at the moment we need a graham roberts style midfielder but it seems some of you are happy to see us get relegated playing with a graham norton :shake: (8) in the middle !!!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

The thing about 442, which we are looking to play, is that, regardless of who the other two players are, it relies on two midfielders who complement eachother and generally run the show. The other two are effectively spare men.

Now the two most common relationships are: Deep lying playmaker and Box to Box attacking player (Gerrard and Alonso; Carrick and Jenas) or the more traditional deep lying destroyer with an attacking playmaker (Keane and Scholes; Flamini and Fabregas).

Now, once the engine room is sorted, there are two more roles available. Utd in the past elected to have two wingers in Giggs and Beckham. This is the way that gives the best football, and the way I'd love to see at Spurs, but I don't see it happening this season at least in our current situation.

Then there is the style we adopted in the season we nearly got 4th, which is not too dissimilar to Liverpools current style. We had a destroyer in Davids as one of the spare men, and the other spare man was a winger in Lennon who played superbly.

Now we have a lot of midfielders who don't really complement eachother. Zokora is a deep lying player, but he is not really a destroyer because he relies on his positioning, and not really a playmaker because he cannot pass. He would be absolutely fine in a 3 man midfield, but then what becomes of our two man attack now that we have bought Defoe, certainly not a lone striker.

Then you have Jenas, who was at his est in his first season with Carrick next to him. You'd think that the simple solution would be to pair him with Huddlestone and let them build a relationship. Problem being that, at 21, Huddlestone still has not developed that intelligent of position that Carrick had. Carrick cam into his own about a year after we bought him when he was 24. I don't think we can wait 3 years for Huddlestone go grow up before we have a midfield parrtnership that works.

Now we have Modric. Sometimes brilliant, sometimes anonymous. He would ideally be paired with a destroyer, because, while hard working, he is hardly going to go around winning balls in midfield. I hope Appiah is this and that we get him, because I do not see a destroyer anywhere in our squad and there are not easy to buy at this time of year. I actually think King could do the role if he were fit, but he isn't so he can't.

The flanks worry me less. If we stick with Lennon on the right and O'Hara out on the left, we should be ok, as long as we get the right balance in the middle. Some people think this means finding the right partner for Zokora, some say we need the right partner for Jenas, I say we need the right partner for Modric. Whatever happens, let us hope we get it right by the end of the month, because it will ultimately shape our season.

 

[Hoowl]

as for personal attacks on us non jenas lovers .... sort it out lads !!! the mess we are in at the moment we need a graham roberts style midfielder but it seems some of you are happy to see us get relegated playing with a graham norton :shake: (8) in the middle !!!

I'd love a good DM but we don't have one. I'd be extatic is Harry signed a top midfielder during this window but until that happens I think Jenas has to play. I've never said Jenas is a world beater but I do think he's the best option from the players we have.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Haha... Mummy Help the bigger boys are bullying me!

Calm down mate. You were being an idiot so i just thought i would make it clear

And the abuse continues.

I don't care that you insulted me, I care that you are lowering the tone of the forum with your neanderthalic ranting. If you want to insult me, do it in a PM.

And I think you'll find that it is you who behaved like an idiot, using a thread that has nothing to do with Defoe, after a game in which Defoe can hardly be blamed for the outcome, to have a dig at him jsut because you have an agenda against him and do not know the meaning of unconditional support for your club.