Carrick carried Jenas. I remember that season well and people were still saying Jenas was shit. Why, if it was such a great pairing?
Yeah of course you do.
People were saying he was shit? Or do you mean people like you were saying he was shit?
Carrick carried Jenas. I remember that season well and people were still saying Jenas was shit. Why, if it was such a great pairing?
I don't know about the rest of you but i don't even remember there ever really being a Jenas and Carrick partnership? I am fairly sure that apart from when TT was injured that the midfield in 2005-2006 was
Jenas (Lennon sub) Carrick.......TT(Brown/JJ).........Davids (TT)
Correct me if I am wrong but he scored 7 goals that season from the right wing?
I think that Jenas has alot of talent but is not naturally a leader, he is not able to change games with his performances. He would be much better if he had the right partner and played in the right system. if he has a player who can sit behind him and cover for him he will thrive.
Whether Ramos agrees is another story.
Of course it is, you've agreed with me without even realising it.
It's about balance, complementing and pairs, which is why I've harped on about Carrick and in other threads I've harped on about Gerrard & Alonso, Carrick & Scholes last year and even Sidwell and Harper, they are all balanced and complimenting pairings. I also bang on about football being played as pairs because it is all over the pitch. Central defenders operate as a pair, RB & RM operate as a pair, forwards operate as a pair and so on. If that pairing is unbalanced and 1 player doesn't complement the other you have problems in that area and even more so if 1 half of it isn't good enough. And unfortunately JJ doesn't complemet or balance any of the other sub quality midfield players that we have.
IMHO it would be exactly the same but worse for Lampard at Spurs because he wouldn't get the support, protection or quality of CM player he has around him at Chelsea.
He spent some of the early part of it out wide but Lennon actually made more Prem appearances in this season than he did last year.
He spent plenty of games and time alongside Carrick.
thats bullshit mate. Workrate is everything! the n.o1 thing you ask from a player is for them to work as hard as they possibly can. It also doesn't mean he's always out of position or anything like that, more that if he does infact give it away or we as a team give it away then he tracks back to help and if we break away he tracks forward to help.Work rate means nothing if he cant do nothing to help make vital chances for the strikers or pull of a decent shot him self. I can run around the field for 90 mins but dont mean im a class player. See my point ?
Are middfield sucks
I have to say when Jenas joined I thought Newcastle had done us up like 'kippers' to say the least. I have never rated Jenas but you cannot doubt his workrate and that boy can certainly run fast, he is certainly an athlete the only question is, Is he a footballer?
Against Wigan he played great, I have never seen him play the ball forward so many times in a game, he has improved and I think he will continue to improve.
So from me at least JJ, I'm sorry you proved me wrong and lets how you continue to prove me wrong and wrong again.
Great point, and that there is the problem with watching it on the box, you do not get the full picture.
Yeah of course you do.
People were saying he was shit? Or do you mean people like you were saying he was shit?
We are Tottenham hotspurs FC, We are not a bus, and we can't afford passengers.
A hell of alot of people said he was shit. You're deluded if you think otherwise. Even today people think he's crap. This thread wouldn't be seven pages long if everyone rated him
For your information I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt that season because, as many said, he was a young lad with a lot of supposed "potential". Saying that he was still crap. Now I'm tired of waiting for this supposed "potential" to materialise.
We are Tottenham hotspurs FC, We are not a bus, and we can't afford passengers.
If Jenas were a boxer who would he be? Frank Bruno?
Knockout power.
Sound technique.
Extraordinarily fit
Much promise.
Freezes on the big stage
Mental barriers when faced with genuine competition.
Still, that wouldn't be too bad, Bruno finally had his World Championship.
That is actually a really good analogy. Though I don't think it's when faced with tough competition. He's shown in the past when the shit hits the fan, JJ's the man. He had the nerve to out the FK in at Old Trafford, he was the one who kept a calm head when scoring a great winner at Goodison last season and he rescued a point against the Scum with a great late strike. So it isn't the big satge or pressure that is the problem, as with Bruno. JJ's problem is that he doesn't seem to have that instinct to grab the game by the scruff of the neck, like Gerrard. The only time I've seen him do it was when he come on at the Emirates last season and he really took control in midfield, though the game was lost by then. It seems he needs a reason to perform, whilst the likes of Gerrard have the mental attributes to go out and take the game to the opposition every week.