Joao Cancelo

[arunspurs]

Chelsea wants Ox though. If they buy Ox, its for RWB role. So, can't see them interested in Cancelo

 

[DanielCHillier]

Chelsea wants Ox though. If they buy Ox, its for RWB role. So, can't see them interested in Cancelo

If Ox is their first choice and Arsenal won't budge then they'll go for Cancelo. You can never have just one player, you need a list of options.

 

[arunspurs]

If Ox is their first choice and Arsenal won't budge then they'll go for Cancelo. You can never have just one player, you need a list of options.

Arsenal are in a bad position ,as they have to sell him or otherwise lose him out for nothing.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Chelsea wants Ox though. If they buy Ox, its for RWB role. So, can't see them interested in Cancelo

Haven't we just today heard that it is between Oxlade or Barkley?

 

[arunspurs]

Haven't we just today heard that it is between Oxlade or Barkley?

Where ?

 

[DanielCHillier]

Arsenal are in a bad position ,as they have to sell him or otherwise lose him out for nothing.

It seems they're willing to do that, as Sanchez and Ozil are in the same position.

 

[ButchCassidy]

It seems they're willing to do that, as Sanchez and Ozil are in the same position.

For all the (often rightful) criticism he gets, I have to say that at least Levy does a damn good job making sure we never do this anymore. Utter incompetence from Arsenal to have so many players winding down their contracts.

 

[shelfboy68]

For all the (often rightful) criticism he gets, I have to say that at least Levy does a damn good job making sure we never do this anymore. Utter incompetence from Arsenal to have so many players winding down their contracts.

Totally agree levy is excellent in that he gets player's tied down to long term deals so if they leave we get top coin for it, but then there is the other side like now where we still can't or haven't brought anyone in.

 

[Metalhead]

For all the (often rightful) criticism he gets, I have to say that at least Levy does a damn good job making sure we never do this anymore. Utter incompetence from Arsenal to have so many players winding down their contracts.

Love the way that Wenger is trying to suggest that it's actually a good thing that the players are in the last year of their contracts, like it was part of the plan all the time.

 

[nailsy]

From my little snippet of information, the chavs are not the desired destination of many, and that is growing.

I hope this means that their policy of buying loads of players just to loan them out is starting to come back to haunt them.

 

[Twizzle]

From my little snippet of information, the chavs are not the desired destination of many, and that is growing.

this makes me happy

 

[Japhet]

For all the (often rightful) criticism he gets, I have to say that at least Levy does a damn good job making sure we never do this anymore. Utter incompetence from Arsenal to have so many players winding down their contracts.

It's part of the problem of paying sky high wages to start with. They don't have any headroom to offer better contracts regularly like Levy does. We'll be in the same situation if we let our wage structure inflate.

 

[heelspurs]

Love the way that Wenger is trying to suggest that it's actually a good thing that the players are in the last year of their contracts, like it was part of the plan all the time.

He may have been playing Captain Hindsight with the 'plan' thing but I do think he is spot on in his point about seeing it a lot more in the future, along with shorter initial contracts and extension refusals. When only a few clubs can pay for multiple 50M players but many can afford multiple 100K/wk players why should players keep giving clubs the leverage with long contracts. The paradigm is shifting and ironically, Wenger, a man notorious for not seeing the most obvious of things, sees it. A players total amortization is going to be considered without the expectation of renewal/recouping money via resale.

 

[yanno]

He may have been playing Captain Hindsight with the 'plan' thing but I do think he is spot on in his point about seeing it a lot more in the future, along with shorter initial contracts and extension refusals. When only a few clubs can pay for multiple 50M players but many can afford multiple 100K/wk players why should players keep giving clubs the leverage with long contracts. The paradigm is shifting and ironically, Wenger, a man notorious for not seeing the most obvious of things, sees it. A players total amortization is going to be considered without the expectation of renewal/recouping money via resale.

Intriguing suggestion.

City lost four players to free transfers at the end of their contract - Navas, Clichy, Zabaleta, Sagna. All are the wrong side of 30, and would have been on massive wages. Whilst they would theoretically have a transfer value of a couple of million, the kind of clubs looking to sign them could probably not have afforded their wages and a transfer fee.

For those four players, it's worked out quite well. They've been paid a ton of money by Shitty, and were then able to negotiate lucrative deals at new clubs. Eg Zabaleta at the Spammers.

But if those players were in their twenties, you're effectively losing a valuable asset for nothing.

Everton will end up paying around £50 million and mega wages for the almost 28-year-old Siggy, and he will be worth very little at the end of his contract.

Barkley will likely go for £25-30 million because of his contract situation, and as he's only 23, he'll may be worth twice that fee in 4-5 years time. Letting Barkley get into the last year of his contract was grossly negligent.

Anyway, this is the Cancelo thread, and I'm hugely irritated that his agent appears to be Mendes as that rules us out, and he looks the best available RB/RWB option.

 

[heelspurs]

Intriguing suggestion.

City lost four players to free transfers at the end of their contract - Navas, Clichy, Zabaleta, Sagna. All are the wrong side of 30, and would have been on massive wages. Whilst they would theoretically have a transfer value of a couple of million, the kind of clubs looking to sign them could probably not have afforded their wages and a transfer fee.

For those four players, it's worked out quite well. They've been paid a ton of money by Shitty, and were then able to negotiate lucrative deals at new clubs. Eg Zabaleta at the Spammers.

But if those players were in their twenties, you're effectively losing a valuable asset for nothing.

Everton will end up paying around £50 million and mega wages for the almost 28-year-old Siggy, and he will be worth very little at the end of his contract.

Barkley will likely go for £25-30 million because of his contract situation, and as he's only 23, he'll may be worth twice that fee in 4-5 years time. Letting Barkley get into the last year of his contract was grossly negligent.

Anyway, this is the Cancelo thread, and I'm hugely irritated that his agent appears to be Mendes as that rules us out, and he looks the best available RB/RWB option.

Thanks for considering my argument on its relative merits. People often discount things that don't jibe with their previously held beliefs.

Yes, City is at the terminal end of the food chain so they will always get stuck with old players on huge wages, recurring loans to see out contracts, and long term, high earning bench players. There is a creative way around that for the likes of them and us but employers are always trying to minimize compensation to the exclusion of creative thinking. But like you said this is the Cancelo thread, so...

Still not sure Mendes is his agent. He moved to a pre-Mendes Valencia on loan after promotion from Benfica's youth team in 2014. Mendes was full-on Monaco at this time and all his special talents went there. Permanent transfer to Valencia was sealed the next year...not the typical manner in which he does business. This was not a high value Portuguese product which is who Mendes deals with. I will believe he is a Mendes client when Mendes is taking pictures with him at his next transfer.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Ox is a fucking dreadful wing back. Dives in and gets done by anything even slightly resembling a change of direction. Surely Chelsea would be signing him as a midfielder?

 

[Stevespurs71]

Ox is a fucking dreadful wing back. Dives in and gets done by anything even slightly resembling a change of direction. Surely Chelsea would be signing him as a midfielder?

As long as it leaves us clear to sign this fella I don't care COYFS

 

[Metalhead]

He may have been playing Captain Hindsight with the 'plan' thing but I do think he is spot on in his point about seeing it a lot more in the future, along with shorter initial contracts and extension refusals. When only a few clubs can pay for multiple 50M players but many can afford multiple 100K/wk players why should players keep giving clubs the leverage with long contracts. The paradigm is shifting and ironically, Wenger, a man notorious for not seeing the most obvious of things, sees it. A players total amortization is going to be considered without the expectation of renewal/recouping money via resale.

I suppose that Levy would prefer the model of occasionally paying a large sum for players but keeping the wage ceiling low although at the moment it would seem that the strategy is to keep both ends low. Certainly if Wenger is anticipating a change to the accepted business model it is to be begrudgingly respected although Arsenal have allowed contracts to run down for a few seasons now in the case of some players haven't they?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

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Tottenham...are no longer in the running for Juventus and Chelsea target Joao Cancelo at Valencia.

 

[Spursh]

He's the one I'd like for that RB spot, but with Chelsea and Juventus hovering, and considering we'd have to deal with Jorge Mendes, it was never likely.