John Bostock

[gavspur]

The thing with this 'we got Lennon for 1million' talk, is, that was when the market was much cheaper.. Only Chelsea had any money, now there are takeovers all over the place, hence the market price is considerably higher than it should be.. If there was a kid like Lennon around now (say Wickham), he's gonna be massively over-priced, especially as Liverpool just spent £35Million on the singer from WetWetWet.

 

[SlickMongoose]

But if we bought someone like Lennon now how much playing time would he get? Dawson, Huddlestone and Lennon all had huge amounts of playing time while we were a mid-table team pushing for top six. They've improved enough to be a part of our team now.

If they joined now I'm as youngsters I'm not sure we'd be able to give them enough playing time to get to the level they're at right now.

If we're not allowed any past successes then providing evidence is going to be impossible, but if Caulker makes it he'll pay for the youth setup several times over himself.

 

[ultimateloner]

I can't really say what he's good at. He's alright, but nothing special.

 

[Legacy]

If we're not allowed any past successes then providing evidence is going to be impossible, but if Caulker makes it he'll pay for the youth setup several times over himself.

Ledley King was a product of our youth setup too. So was that other centre back that went on to make nearly 75 caps for England. I forget his name though.

Surely the fact that our academy has produced two world class defenders in recent memory is enough to justify its existence.

Should another player make it into the first team squad in the next two or three years, then I'll be pleased with that outcome. I have high hopes for three or four of our current youngsters to make the step up soon too.

 

[Pringle]

all of these people that are being written off are below 20 are they not? Bostock, Townsend, Parrett etc are all 19 and under!! How many players under 20 have already made it? Wilshere,............

If in a couple of years they still havent got anywhere then fair enough, but to write off a teenager seems a little premature

 

[adamthfc]

The thing with this 'we got Lennon for 1million' talk, is, that was when the market was much cheaper.. Only Chelsea had any money, now there are takeovers all over the place, hence the market price is considerably higher than it should be.. If there was a kid like Lennon around now (say Wickham), he's gonna be massively over-priced, especially as Liverpool just spent £35Million on the singer from WetWetWet.

Edit I fucked up

 

[dontcallme]

Takeovers all over the place?I've missed these.city and?

Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Blackburn and probably a couple of others.

 

[adamthfc]

Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Blackburn and probably a couple of others.

Sorry I phrased it wrong. nothing like the city or Chelsea takeover so they wouldn't have had any effect on inflating the transfer Market which he alludes to.Chelsea was ages ago now as was utds.so we are left with Blackburn and Liverpool neuter of which have been big spenders as of yet.

 

[punky]

Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Blackburn and probably a couple of others.

Birmingham and Sunderland.

 

[beats1]

Alot of people lately have been questioning his attitude of late and etc. but the kid seems to have good head on him

this was a recent interview done with him and I was shocked to learn he had been married at 18!

http://www.religiousintelligence.org/churchnewspaper/news/john-bostock-youngtalented-and-christian/

frankly I don't buy this shit that he stood out at a young age because of his physique, you look and at some of his goals for brentford and hull, some of them are brilliant, he seems to have good technical ability

Which begs the question why isn't it working out for him

 

[ChristianBaler]

Which begs the question why isn't it working out for him

poor attitude and most likely thinks he's better than what he really is.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Blackburn and probably a couple of others.

West ham. Lol

 

[Samson]

Alot of people lately have been questioning his attitude of late and etc. but the kid seems to have good head on him

this was a recent interview done with him and I was shocked to learn he had been married at 18!

http://www.religiousintelligence.org/churchnewspaper/news/john-bostock-youngtalented-and-christian/

frankly I don't buy this shit that he stood out at a young age because of his physique, you look and at some of his goals for brentford and hull, some of them are brilliant, he seems to have good technical ability

Which begs the question why isn't it working out for him

My boss is a Brentford fan. He described Bostock as incredibly one-footed (in League 1), so don't kid yourself on the technique.

The guy was signed as an apprentice, so I don't see what all the fuss is about to be honest.

 

[eddiebailey]

Comolli made a lot of promises to young players in order to persuade them to sign; it is perhaps not surprising that Bostock came to the club with inflated expectations.

Harry included him in the first team squad at towards the end of last season, so I assume his current absence from the scene is due to injury.

 

[Ionman34]

Am I alone in coming to the conclusion that a youth system is a waste of money to us?

I mean seriously how many players start at us from a very young age and make an impact in our first team?

If we had a squad of twenty players plus around 6 very talented youngsters to be constantly involved I'd be happy. No 16 or 17 year olds unless they are like Owen or Rooney when they were that age.

Just buy players who've made a good impact at professional level already.

I'm sure our wage bill and coaching fees etc for a youth setup costs a lot and so few make it. Players like Bostock, Taarabt etc would benefit a lot form playing for lower league sides while in their teens and then we can buy them once they've proved their worth.

Premiership teams having youth setups simply isn't producing as they get so little game time and many promising careers are stunted.

I know we have an obsession with youth in this country but I can't help feeling that the current system is not benefitting the top clubs or the players themselves.

I think too many are looking for the results from a Youth development policy that ManU got from theirs. What too many forget is that, of all of those youth players that came through the ManU system, only 3 of them could really be considered World Class, Giggs, Beckham and Scholes. What really made them such a success was the fact that they'd been playing the Utd way together for years.
Now everyone is looking for the next Hoddle, the next Beckham, the next Drogba ad infinitum, instead of looking for the next 'batch' that will play as an integrated unit to a successful system. Many point at the Barcelona youth system for this whereas Ajax have always been the blueprint for this kind of success.
It is my hope that the completion of the training facilities will herald the resumption of our Reserve system, where the style of play expected at Spurs is coached early through the youth and continued into the reserve sides. I still think that the loan system has great merit as a type of 'finishing school', but the clubs loaned to should be vetted for suitability. This may already be the case, I'm not sure.

Another way to look at it is that, should we produce, say 2 gems over the next 5 years, this in itself would be more than enough vindication for the work put in and the money spent.

The plain fact of the matter is that young talent is continually being found, developed and sold on for handsome profits across the globe. To see the benefits of a top youth development policy you need only look as far as Barca really, and that system is only really seeing full fruition now after first being set up by Cruyff. It's a long term investment which doesn't generally sit too well in the modern English mentality of short term investment and gain.

 

[StartingPrice]

Comolli made a lot of promises to young players in order to persuade them to sign; it is perhaps not surprising that Bostock came to the club with inflated expectations.

Harry included him in the first team squad at towards the end of last season, so I assume his current absence from the scene is due to injury.

This is the important point.
When he was signed it was said that the aim was to integrate him into the 1st team (or first team squad - I think it was the former) sooner rather than later - this is leading the supporters (and, maybe, the player as well) to think there is something drastically wrong.

 

[Marty]

Alot of people lately have been questioning his attitude of late and etc. but the kid seems to have good head on him

this was a recent interview done with him and I was shocked to learn he had been married at 18!

http://www.religiousintelligence.org/churchnewspaper/news/john-bostock-youngtalented-and-christian/

frankly I don't buy this shit that he stood out at a young age because of his physique, you look and at some of his goals for brentford and hull, some of them are brilliant, he seems to have good technical ability

Which begs the question why isn't it working out for him

I don't really want to get into a religion rant here, but I will anyway :razz:

He says, “I understand that this talent isn’t really mine, I’m just a vessel of this gift and I have to use it correctly.”

What the fuck is that? To me that sounds like he doesn't really believe in himself. People who constantly thanks God for everything that happens to them really grind my gears.

IF there is a divine power why would he give us tasks to do and roles to fulfil? The only thing I truly believe in is that all people are born with a free will and are completely free to make choices to do or become whatever they want in life. Talk like this really pisses me off.

 

[AngerManagement]

I don't really want to get into a religion rant here, but I will anyway :razz:

What the fuck is that? To me that sounds like he doesn't really believe in himself. People who constantly thanks God for everything that happens to them really grind my gears.

IF there is a divine power why would he give us tasks to do and roles to fulfil? The only thing I truly believe in is that all people are born with a free will and are completely free to make choices to do or become whatever they want in life. Talk like this really pisses me off.

Why does it piss you off though? You're entitled to believe what you do as are those who believe and express a divine help from a higher power that pisses you off so much.

If that belief whether real or not gives them the strength of character to produce what they need to produce than good luck to them, I don't see how it effects you adversely in anyway or why it would piss you off just because their beliefs differ from yours.

Evander Holyfield constantly gave praise to God as do many other champions in every sport (Kaka for example) they all claim their success and skill is a gift from God and if anything it gives them more self belief I feel rather than as you say suggesting they lack self confidence.

 

[Marty]

I see where you're coming from, I spoke a bit too harshly there, but for me there's a clear difference between saying "God gave me the tools, it's up to me to use them wisely" and what Bostock is saying there. The former is fine, it shows that he still believes in himself and knows that at least part of his achievments have been up to him. What Bostock is saying is, frankly, bullshit. If there is a God and he has given him the talent, the talent is a gift to Bostock, so it is truly his.

 

[AngerManagement]

I see where you're coming from, I spoke a bit too harshly there, but for me there's a clear difference between saying "God gave me the tools, it's up to me to use them wisely" and what Bostock is saying there. The former is fine, it shows that he still believes in himself and knows that at least part of his achievments have been up to him. What Bostock is saying is, frankly, bullshit. If there is a God and he has given him the talent, the talent is a gift to Bostock, so it is truly his.

He is just saying what most overtly religious people tend to say and believe. They think everything they do is because of God, God gives them their talent and the strength to go on yada yada, its just phrased differently and it seems the bit you take exception to is him saying "this talent is not really mine" but I think he means the same thing pretty much all religious sports people say and think.

Let's hope God gives him the power to use his right foot and actually be a good enough vessle to break into the first team

I am sure you won't care how he rattles on about the almighty if and when he becomes a £20m player, if of course that be the Lords will :grin: