Lennon and spurscommunity

[harrowspurs]

my problem with lennon is he's so frustrating to watch, i was really excited about him a couple of seasons back,but have lost a little faith in him.

he seems to over run the ball a lot, losing out on possession to much,making a lot of sloppy passes,always seems to be in to much of a hurry.

and most of all his final ball is woeful,im surprised he hasent kicked on a lot more than he has..

the thing with the prem is you need to be able to do a lot more than just run fast,,and over the last couple of seasons thats all he seems to be doing...

if the right money comes in i wont be terribly upset if he goes..i would be surprised if any of the top 4 came in for him though.

 

[orkneyspur]

Comment and observation.
Is Lennon any better than Simon Davies or Matthew Etherington when they first joined Spurs?
I think we all remember the bad games that both players had, but can you remember the really good wing games they played?
Both of these lads were hailed by most as bright young things who should have gone on to star on both wings for many years to come.
True, they both performed admirably well and although sold on, have done OK with their respective clubs.
But back to original observation, is Lennon any better than either? Some days yes, some days no. Difficult one to decide on, as this forum proves. We have a split on those that think he will improve and those that think he won't.
Ramos will decide. :shrug:

 

[PLTuck]

I agree he's so frustrating to watch, and yes I scream and holler at the tellybox at him, swear at him and call him useless.

But we need to be patient with him, and he needs some proper competition. He seems to be in a comfort zone to me.

I wouldn't class myself as a -phile or -phobe of Lennons. At the moment he is frustrating to watch but if he can add a decent cross to his game he'd be so dangerous it's worth perservering with him I think.

Having said all that, if he isn't what Ramos wants and we sell him, I would trust Ramos knows what he's doing.

I think I need to ban myself from these forums in the off-season. The speculation is going to be worse than ever.

 

[fozzi44]

Every single player you would compare to lennon also has the same criteria though. Bently and Beckham and Young and Navas and silva and ronaldo and Davies etc all make passes that get passed to set up goals.. all drag full backs to allow space... unquanitlfiable secondary and third phase assists... which brings us back to the actual assist stat. Lennon's is poor because he's not a very good crosser of the ball.

age is an increasingly poor excuse

i am not arguing this, i am the first to admit his assists are to low.

I was disputing Nidges point when he clearly said that

skinning a player with no end product is more or less worthless.

.

I disagree with that narrow minded pro evo outlook entirely.

 

[fozzi44]

Yea ok.

just to clarify.

You are saying you havent seen lennon skin defenders on a regular basis this season?

Can u confirm this is what u mean.

not to try and laugh at you or anything, but just to confirm to myself that people on this board really do spout a load of bollax at times, based on "what they seem to think" happens in games.

 

[nidge]

i am not arguing this, i am the first to admit his assists are to low.

I was disputing Nidges point when he clearly said that .

I disagree with that narrow minded pro evo outlook entirely.

Ahh but passing to an open team mate is end product. I am talking about when he skins his opponent and then is unable to find an team mate with a cross or pass. Which when Lennon gets to the byline is more often than not.

You can accuse me of many things but, narrow minded isn't one and I don't play pro evo. :roll:

 

[fozzi44]

Ahh but passing to an open team mate is end product. I am talking about when he skins his opponent and then is unable to find an team mate with a cross or pass. Which when Lennon gets to the byline is more often than not.

You can accuse me of many things but, narrow minded isn't one and I don't play pro evo. :roll:

well why not say that then? That certainly wasnt what was implied in your original post.

I'am not going down this round of arguing over something for the sake of it.I strongly feel you where wrong when you said that skinning a player but not getting the assist is more or less worthless.

There are so many possibilitys that open up for you when you round a few players, and there are not may in England that can do it.

I agree his final ball is poor and his assists need to improve, as does other aspects of his game, all of which have been rasied in various parts of this thread.

 

[DC_Boy]

debatable and a matterof opinion surely.

Personally i like Lennon, seems to play well in big games.

JJ has a tendancy to go missing.

Hi fozzi of course it's a matter of opinion and that's mine - Lennon also goes missing more than JJ - who doesn't go missing in games very often, certainly nowhere near as much as is commonly thought - the amount of ground JJ covers in a game is phenomenal for the most part - and that's another opinion

 

[BorisTM]

Pointless thread. He hasn't improved at all in last 2 seasons and he's still really uncosistent and will/should be replaced in the summer.

:bs: you have no clue, I'll just ignore you.

 

[Flatters]

Lennon wasn't dropped from the England U21s. :lol:

 

[dvdhopeful]

He is 20/21.......that should be the end of the discussion for me, no other discussion required. He is class and will improve under Ramos. I just hope the Spurs staff aren't as short sighted as some members and let him go

 

[paul_1979yid]

You did see him in his first season right? He made Taarabt look composed.

But you were comparing him to Lennon. This is not Lennons first season. Lennon seems to be going backwards in terms of development imo

 

[fozzi44]

Hi fozzi of course it's a matter of opinion and that's mine - Lennon also goes missing more than JJ - who doesn't go missing in games very often, certainly nowhere near as much as is commonly thought - the amount of ground JJ covers in a game is phenomenal for the most part - and that's another opinion

yeah, i dunno. to me jenas is almost the player we want him to be, he just needs to become more consistent and be able to change a game in our favour more often. you dont do this by hitting freekicks into the wall etc or hitting a poor penalty to get you through to next round of wafer.

Yeah he is a real box to box midfielder, but at the end of the day its what he does between the 2 boxes that counts.

 

[DC_Boy]

yeah, i dunno. to me jenas is almost the player we want him to be, he just needs to become more consistent and be able to change a game in our favour more often. you dont do this by hitting freekicks into the wall etc or hitting a poor penalty to get you through to next round of wafer.

Yeah he is a real box to box midfielder, but at the end of the day its what he does between the 2 boxes that counts.

fair enough Fozzi, but I really don't think JJ should be criticised for his pen v PSV - I'm a big JJ fan and to me recently he's been playing under handicaps of injury and tiredness - i honestly think a fit JJ would have taken a better pen - and let's not forget that at least he stepped up to the plate - I don't want any witch hunts over that UEFA pen shoot out - but if people are going to start bringing it up, i'll be bringing up the names of the people who didn't take a pen

 

[PLTuck]

But you were comparing him to Lennon. This is not Lennons first season. Lennon seems to be going backwards in terms of development imo

I think in some areas you are right. I remember in his 3rd or 4th game for us, he was wide on the right and someone pinged over a long diagonal ball. Lennon controlled the ball and beat the fullback with one touch. It was fucking sublime, but alas we have not seen much of that recently. He does seem one dimensional at the moment, and he does seem to have lost that first touch, but overall I think his game has developed, especially defensively where he has made some crucial interceptions when Chimbo is pulling his socks up on the halfway line.

Hutton seems a decent crosser so I'm hopeful that once he and Lennon get a decent run together and start to link up more that we will have both pace and delivery from the right, just not in 1 player.

I still think it'd be counter productive to sell him at this stage. Give him some real competition on the right and see how he develops.

I'm sure you already know this but I'm going to say it anyway. Players develop at different rates and not every promising 18 year old will have the Fibreglass effect on a team.

People here constantly slated Carrick when we bought him only for him to go on and become our most infuential player

People here slated Jenas for bloody ages until it finally sunk in that he was probably our most important midfielder.

People here didn't want Malbranque. OK not a world beater, but until recently, our most consistant performer this season.

People here didn't want 'that racist thug' Woodgate. Opinions changed now?

People here have hammered Robbo, Zokora, Kaboul, Bale, Tainio, THudd, Dawson, Keane, Berbs at various times. Some rightfully, much not.

Lennon seems like the latest scapegoat to me.

 

[Defsta]

With right training he would be better sprinter than footballer as in the end, all he do is run, just run and sometimes success to do something else like pass to own player and which have nothing to do with his passing skills, it's just luck. He's just too unilateral player. Of course he can prove me wrong and do something else, but in the end it's up to Ramos and what he decide to do with him (Not in Wenger way) but one thing is for sure and thats he must improve and lot.

 

[paul_1979yid]

fair enough Fozzi, but I really don't think JJ should be criticised for his pen v PSV - I'm a big JJ fan and to me recently he's been playing under handicaps of injury and tiredness - i honestly think a fit JJ would have taken a better pen - and let's not forget that at least he stepped up to the plate - I don't want any witch hunts over that UEFA pen shoot out - but if people are going to start bringing it up, i'll be bringing up the names of the people who didn't take a pen

and like i say at least his pen was on target. I dont care if it was at a 'nice height' for the GK, it was on target. Had the keeper dived the other way it would have gone in.
A pen that goes wide is never going in whatever way the keeper dives.
Anyway thats slightly away from the theme of this thread............

 

[DFF]

What is up with sc and [any Spurs player]

:shrug: Someone's always got an axe to grind about someone.

 

[roosh]

personally think that he is better used as an impact sub

 

[ultimateloner]

FFS just name the better wingers. Off the top of my head there are:

Joe Cole
SWP
Man Utd wingers
Walcott
David Bentley
Pedersen
Arteta

Thats it. Despite drop of form, no final ball etc Lennon is still an above average winger in the Prem.