Lennon

[Capocrimini]

Firstly I would just like to confirm that you are a muppet.

secondly, only Hazard (first season in the EPL) and Lennon are starters for their clubs in the list. The rest spend a lot of the time on the bench.

Why am a I muppet? Right Mr Omar who would you like to start ahead of Lennon in our current squad, and how much of our limited budget do you think we should spend on filling his position, considering the weakest areas in our squad?

Where have I said that Lennon is better then anyone on that list, this thread is about his form this season, hence why I brought up this seasons stats for players playing in a similar position to himself. Of course stats over a longer distance show how effective a player is, but you would thing it follows a upward gradient, as in Walcotts case, who has been very average for Arsenal up until the last 2 seasons. The measure you used to justify why Milner etc are better then Lennon are based on pure assists and goals, bring up the contribution through passing and movement and you'll see all of the players are a lot closer. I'd rather have Hazard over Lennon, Milner is arguably better also but I don't think our overall play would be majorly impacted on by changing the two.

 

[DJS]

Milner's last season at Villa was immense, the same season Lennon had his best for us. Milner was voted in the EPL team of the season and won young player of the year. He played 49 matches and scored 12 goals with 12 assists. Lennon was 22/3 goals/9 assists.

You think that if Lennon went to Citeh, he would even make the bench? Milner has so much more to his game than Lennon and its people who rate Lennon higher are people with short memories and spurs tinted glasses who watched a few internationals matches where Milner played having played only a handful of games at citeh that season.

The games he was immense for Villa were as a central midfield box to boxer.

On the right wing Lennon pwns all over him to tea time.

So to be fair I'd have him in the engine room room but not on the wing.

 

[OmarsComing]

Why am a I muppet? Right Mr Omar who would you like to start ahead of Lennon in our current squad, and how much of our limited budget do you think we should spend on filling his position, considering the weakest areas in our squad?

No-one obv.

 

[OmarsComing]

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The games he was immense for Villa were as a central midfield box to boxer.

On the right wing Lennon pwns all over him to tea time.

How many top teams play 442 with an out and out winger? Milner has all the attributes to play multiple positions, where as Lennon is just a one trick pony.

Milner would be a far more important and valuable squad member than Lennon - why cant you see this?

 

[Capocrimini]

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How many top teams play 442 with an out and out winger? Milner has all the attributes to play multiple positions, where as Lennon is just a one trick pony.

Milner would be a far more important and valuable squad member than Lennon - why cant you see this?

http://www.eplindex.com/14760/aaron-lennon-england-squad-opta-stats.html

Read that

 

[OmarsComing]

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http://www.eplindex.com/14760/aaron-lennon-england-squad-opta-stats.html

Read that

wtf is that shit?

What is the point of cross completion when all you have in the box is Jermain Defoe?

I wanna see assists and goals from our wingers. Please post last 100 games goals and assists from the players you listed earlier in this thread

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Lennon was fucking abysmal yesterday.

And that stat analysis is hardly resounding in Lennon's favour. Walcott scores at a higher rate, he dribbles more successfully, sees more ball and defends better. And I don't even rate Walcott that highly either.

 

[DIEHARD]

Lennon was fucking abysmal yesterday.

And that stat analysis is hardly resounding in Lennon's favour. Walcott scores at a higher rate, he dribbles more successfully, sees more ball and defends better. And I don't even rate Walcott that highly either.

Fucking abysmal? Where the fuck is the justification for that statement?

AVB specifically mentions Lennon yesterday - he didnt have to but he fucking did that says all there is to know regarding Lennons contribution and all round game.

Lennon USED to be a one trick pony but now he is able to use his left foot, drive inside, defend and play from the right. His game has evolved so people calling him a one trick pony seem to judge him based on all those silly numbers they see on websites etc

Fucks sakes we really do have some astonishing people as fans.

 

[Capocrimini]

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wtf is that shit?

What is the point of cross completion when all you have in the box is Jermain Defoe?

I wanna see assists and goals from our wingers. Please post last 100 games goals and assists from the players you listed earlier in this thread

That's too much effort. All I'm trying to say is Lennon is a effective winger maybe not the best all round midfielder as Milner, and I've never disputed that, but as a wide right winger his contribution to our build up play, chance creation and defensive work is admirable. Hence why this thread was created. Your man love for Milner is worrying, I don't fully understand what you are trying to say? Do you want us to sign Milner, or this forum to dedicate a thread to Milner? That Epl article compares chance creation, shooting, starts assists and goals between Milner and Lennon which is effectively what you've been doing this whole thread, and it shows it for the whole of last season.

Your reasoning suggests we should be pissed at Bale for not scoring as much as Ronaldo!

 

[Capocrimini]

Fucking abysmal? Where the fuck is the justification for that statement?

AVB specifically mentions Lennon yesterday - he didnt have to but he fucking did that says all there is to know regarding Lennons contribution and all round game.

Lennon USED to be a one trick pony but now he is able to use his left foot, drive inside, defend and play from the right. His game has evolved so people calling him a one trick pony seem to judge him based on all those silly numbers they see on websites etc

Fucks sakes we really do have some astonishing people as fans.

That link I posted shows Lennon comes up rather well against Milner, Walcott and Young stat wise. I watch a lot of football and Lennons involvement in games as a out and out winger is impressive in comparison to other wide players. I'm talking about little things like tracking back, keeping possession and intelligent runs.

 

[OmarsComing]

You cant compare bit part players to players who start every game. Milner might come on as a sub, shine, and then not start another game for 6 months, this simply doesnt happen with Lennon. When he had competition, his best seasons for us were average seasons for other players who play his role at other clubs.

I would take Milner, Young, Walcott all ahead of Lennon (possibly Ox as well). I like Lennon, he is one of ours and he's a good player, just like Defoe, but if I had the chance to improve on him, I would buy that player in a heart beat and I would hope that every other spurs fan would do the same.

Your analogy just confirms your ignorance.

 

[OmarsComing]

That link I posted shows Lennon comes up rather well against Milner, Walcott and Young stat wise. I watch a lot of football and Lennons involvement in games as a out and out winger is impressive in comparison to other wide players. I'm talking about little things like tracking back, keeping possession and intelligent runs.

PLEASE POST GOALS AND ASSISTS LAST 50+ GAMES.

 

[DIEHARD]

That link I posted shows Lennon comes up rather well against Milner, Walcott and Young stat wise. I watch a lot of football and Lennons involvement in games as a out and out winger is impressive in comparison to other wide players. I'm talking about little things like tracking back, keeping possession and intelligent runs.

Tracking back? Lennon does that particularly well especially considering Walker behind him who hasnt really performed well defensively. Oh and if his tracking back was poor why did AVB specifically mention this exact attribute that Lennon has shown - AVB didnt have to and he wasnt asked about it. Keeping possession? he is asked to get the ball take on players and cross so he is bound to lose out every so often due to the nature of his play. Intelligent running? He has improved this and has become more accustomed to coming into the box on the end of crosses and this has improved culminating in a goal or two this season.

Statistics are there but there is so many factors behind those statistics - for example what is being asked of them by their Manager. You may get AVB asking Lennon to help out walker defensively which subsequently limits his game. You may get Mancini asking Milner for something entirely different. You also have to consider tactics that those Managers employ.

So many factors.

Omar - you can argue that Lennons best season didnt come with competition but came with someone intelligent behind him in Corluka. Corluka allowed Lennon to play his game and not have to focus a great deal defensively. The same way that BAE allows Bale to play to his best. It really is all about partnerships (CBs, right side, left side, CMs and strikers - essentially five partnerships in a team) Also Harry adopted tactics to bring out his ability more prominently. You are just focusing on the Bentley factor and lets be honest he was hardly competition as he was utter shite.

 

[Mr Pink]

You cant compare bit part players to players who start every game. Milner might come on as a sub, shine, and then not start another game for 6 months, this simply doesnt happen with Lennon. When he had competition, his best seasons for us were average seasons for other players who play his role at other clubs.

I would take Milner, Young, Walcott all ahead of Lennon (possibly Ox as well). I like Lennon, he is one of ours and he's a good player, just like Defoe, but if I had the chance to improve on him, I would buy that player in a heart beat and I would hope that every other spurs fan would do the same.

Your analogy just confirms your ignorance.

good fucking lord....

 

[OmarsComing]

Bentley is shit but we spent £15m on him and the idea was that he wasn't going to be a bench warmer. Lennon improved his game and Bentley proved his shitness and that was that.

But we need to improve the squad and trying to replace Lennon with someone better is one of the most important areas of the squad that needs to be addressed. He's scored 2 more goals than Sandro has during the last 50 games...

 

[idontgetit]

In all the years he has been here I have never seen an opponent take the ball round him. Even if they could they'd only make it 5 yards before they had to do it again

 

[OmarsComing]

good fucking lord....

Coincidentally your girl says that to me.

 

[Capocrimini]

You cant compare bit part players to players who start every game. Milner might come on as a sub, shine, and then not start another game for 6 months, this simply doesnt happen with Lennon. When he had competition, his best seasons for us were average seasons for other players who play his role at other clubs.

I would take Milner, Young, Walcott all ahead of Lennon (possibly Ox as well). I like Lennon, he is one of ours and he's a good player, just like Defoe, but if I had the chance to improve on him, I would buy that player in a heart beat and I would hope that every other spurs fan would do the same.

Your analogy just confirms your ignorance.

You arrogant butt licker, you said Milner doesn't start as many games as Azza the first table on the link shows Milner had 2 minutes less pitch time, and started only two games fewer then Lennon. If I had the chance to improve I would too, but who? You haven't answered that yet? We can't get Milner and I still don't believe he is much better on the wing then Lennon. Who would you get to replace him?

 

[hodsgod]

Hasn't Lennon always been hot and cold? We have had these debates ever since he joined the club.

 

[Capocrimini]

Hasn't Lennon always been hot and cold? We have had these debates ever since he joined the club.

Yup but apparently Omar reckons Milner plays for us and should start ahead of Lennon.