Levy to stick with Redknapp

[sloth]

he has gone massively up in my estimation after this, also ive spent the last week or so listening to his interviews regards his influences on football etc...

he is a fit for Tottenham Hotspur....i wonder if he just might feel the same?

Not until next year though Adie, which goes a bit against your hopes doesn't it?

 

[felmani26]

Exactly.

As you know I'm really keen on him becoming our next manager, but I thought once Liverpool were interested in him he'd definitely have gone there. The only hope, I thought, was he'd look at their team, and also at the ruckas sacking Kenny has caused, and decide it wasn't for him.

In terms of the team, the kind of player they have doesn't seem to suit his style of football, there's a lot of bust-a-gut type players, but not much of the short-passing finesse he likes. He also hasn't got a lot of money to spend there, and they're going to want him to bring through Downing, Henderson, Carroll et al, none of whom particularly fit his preferred style of football. Just as the likes of Glen Johnson, Spearing, Gerard, Skyrtl don't either, imo. Liverpool are quite an old-fashioned looking team in my opinion.

And then the ruckas must be a turn off. The fans were not going to give any new man much of a chance, the job's a bit of a poisoned chalice. As well as which no manager's going to be particularly impressed with the owners, they don't seem like they're willing to give you much of a chance, sacking Hodgson, and Dalglish after short amounts of time - this is the point about not sacking Redknapp as well I believe. I read somewhere that Rodgers felt he'd learned from his error with Reading, where he thought he'd been disloyal to Watford, jumped too readily, and then got his comeuppance. I suspect he also looked at Martinez and Wigan, and saw that he wasn't harmed by showing them loyalty last year when Villa came calling.

Finally there's the official noises coming out of his camp which suggest he felt that if you're going to head hunt someone, head hunt them, don't go and say we really, really, might want you so long as you talk a good game in the interview. What's that about? How can talking, add anything to what he's shown he can do through Swansea's performances? If you want to hear what he has to say, read some of the interviews with him ffs. Anyway, this is good, because it doesn't lead the Swansea City fans on, he's not promising to stay with them forever, just saying that if he were going to leave he needs to be approached sensibly.

As you say, I think the whole episode speaks of his maturity.

Couldn't put it better myself!

It also indicates that he is not money driven and is looking for longer term stability to stamp his ethos on a club and, i'm speculating here, looking at forging a strong relationship with a prospective chairman/board which he has with Swansea and Huw Jenkins.

Personally I think Daniel Levy and Brendan Rodgers is a fantastic match and I would be more than confident in long lasting positive effects.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

And then the ruckas must be a turn off. The fans were not going to give any new man much of a chance, the job's a bit of a poisoned chalice. As well as which no manager's going to be particularly impressed with the owners, they don't seem like they're willing to give you much of a chance, sacking Hodgson, and Dalglish after short amounts of time - this is the point about not sacking Redknapp as well I believe. I read somewhere that Rodgers felt he'd learned from his error with Reading, where he thought he'd been disloyal to Watford, jumped too readily, and then got his comeuppance. I suspect he also looked at Martinez and Wigan, and saw that he wasn't harmed by showing them loyalty last year when Villa came calling.

I thought Liverpool fans were renowned for their patience?

Do you think Henry should have given Hodgson and Dalglish more time, sloth?

 

[adiepf]

Not until next year though Adie, which goes a bit against your hopes doesn't it?

personally yes because i just think now is a great time...

we dont have to have a season where our manager is leaving at the end of the seasn or engulfed by england speculation again mid season...

we dont have to buy players knowing the new manager might not want them....i think now is the time personally..

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Couldn't put it better myself!

It also indicates that he is not money driven and is looking for longer term stability to stamp his ethos on a club and, i'm speculating here, looking at forging a strong relationship with a prospective chairman/board which he has with Swansea and Huw Jenkins.

Personally I think Daniel Levy and Brendan Rodgers is a fantastic match and I would be more than confident in long lasting positive effects.

Or maybe he doesn't want to look like a fanny by not getting the gig after going for an interview?

Maybe he believes so strongly in his own ability that he would be insulted by being one of up to a dozen interviewees?

 

[adiepf]

Or maybe he doesn't want to look like a fanny by not getting the gig after going for an interview?

Maybe he believes so strongly in his own ability that he would be insulted by being one of up to a dozen interviewees?

i agree with him if that is the case...

i mean if you want somebody then go get them, they are about to turn this into a circus & disrupt any number of teams until they make a choice...

theres no need imo, arrogance personified!

 

[Spurger King]

i agree with him if that is the case...

i mean if you want somebody then go get them, they are about to turn this into a circus & disrupt any number of teams until they make a choice...

theres no need imo, arrogance personified!

If that's his reasoning then good on him. Harry should take note.

Harry really should have told the FA to either offer him the job straight away, or not at all. If the FA replied saying they need to interview the candidates Harry should have rejected the position on the grounds that the uncertainty would unsettle the team.

I honestly think that if Harry had been offered the job as soon as Capello left - even if he wouldn't take over until the end of the season - we would have finished 3rd.

 

[sloth]

I thought Liverpool fans were renowned for their patience?

Do you think Henry should have given Hodgson and Dalglish more time, sloth?

I think Hodgson needed more time, though I don't think he was the correct appointment, and wouldn't have been overly optimistic that he'd make a difference (signing Konchesky was the point at which I think he really lost it).

I don't think they should have signed Kenny in the first place, but having done so, the yes you have to have the courage of your convictions. People have to be given a chance to succeed or fail, and that judgement has to be made over a period of time.

personally yes because i just think now is a great time...

we dont have to have a season where our manager is leaving at the end of the seasn or engulfed by england speculation again mid season...

we dont have to buy players knowing the new manager might not want them....i think now is the time personally..

The point is that were we to sack Harry, Rodgers would be unlikely to come to us for much of the same reasons we speculate he turned Liverpool down for.

Or maybe he doesn't want to look like a fanny by not getting the gig after going for an interview?

Maybe he believes so strongly in his own ability that he would be insulted by being one of up to a dozen interviewees?

I'm not sure people care about looking like a fanny particularly, that's seems a bit like the kind of stuff you'd be worried about in the playground, rather than as an adult. I think your second point is more reasonable though, although again I'm not sure being insulted is here or there, more that people should know his ability, and if they don't then that says something about them.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

i agree with him if that is the case...

i mean if you want somebody then go get them, they are about to turn this into a circus & disrupt any number of teams until they make a choice...

theres no need imo, arrogance personified!

I think they're entitled to do it the way they're doing it, to be honest. I just hope they pick another gobshite.

 

[adiepf]

I think they're entitled to do it the way they're doing it, to be honest. I just hope they pick another gobshite.

oh dont get me wrong they are entitled to do whatever they like but i just think you should carefully select the man you want behind the scenes & then go get that man...

more than one team is going to be disrupted for the sake of the great Liverpool....i dont think its right & btw if i was Martinez id tell them to sling their hook just as Rodgers has...

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I think Hodgson needed more time, though I don't think he was the correct appointment, and wouldn't have been overly optimistic that he'd make a difference (signing Konchesky was the point at which I think he really lost it).

I don't think they should have signed Kenny in the first place, but having done so, the yes you have to have the courage of your convictions. People have to be given a chance to succeed or fail, and that judgement has to be made over a period of time.



The point is that Rodgers is unlikely to come to us now anyway isn't he?



I'm not sure people care about looking like a fanny particularly, that's seems a bit like the kind of stuff you'd be worried about in the playground, rather than as an adult. I think your second point is more reasonable though, although again I'm not sure being insulted is here or there, more that people should know his ability, and if they don't then that says something about them.

The fans hated Hodgson, didn't they? Kenny had made his interest known and that's who they (the fans) wanted. Kenny came in to steady the ship-a bit like Harry did for us-they did well and then he made a pig's ear of the season just gone by. I don't think there was any indication that he could turn it around. Do you?

 

[Paolo10]

They'll end up with Rafa again if fan sentiment is anything to go by. They are fucking stuck in nostalgia.

Oh and by the way...oh no we're stuck with a brilliant manager. What a nightmare, Harry is as underrated by our support as Rodgers is overrated IMO.

 

[felmani26]

They'll end up with Rafa again if fan sentiment is anything to go by. They are fucking stuck in nostalgia.

Oh and by the way...oh no we're stuck with a brilliant manager. What a nightmare, Harry is as underrated by our support as Rodgers is overrated IMO.

Why so defensive Paolo?!

Nobody has bemoaned the fact that Harry is still here - it was merely pointing out how astute Rodgers has been.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Why so defensive Paolo?!

Nobody has bemoaned the fact that Harry is still here - it was merely pointing out how astute Rodgers has been.

Steve Kean looks astute against Harry

 

[Paolo10]

Well start a Rodgers appreciation thread in general football then. Fuck, go to a Swans forum. I sense a lot of these names championing other managers have firm ideas and their knives hidden behind their backs.

Sneaky sneaky.

 

[Paolo10]

Course he is.

 

[StartingPrice]

its o


its on ssn...

i have to say though not my choice, for him to do that i think he is in line for Chelsea or Tottenham & he knows it

When he was linked with Chelsea, earlier in the season, he said: "I'm trying to build a career, not destroy one."
The thing is, I don't think it is quite a few of us who see him as ideal for us, I think, for any number of reasons, he would see us as ideal for him, too.

Exactly.

As you know I'm really keen on him becoming our next manager, but I thought once Liverpool were interested in him he'd definitely have gone there. The only hope, I thought, was he'd look at their team, and also at the ruckas sacking Kenny has caused, and decide it wasn't for him.

In terms of the team, the kind of player they have doesn't seem to suit his style of football, there's a lot of bust-a-gut type players, but not much of the short-passing finesse he likes. He also hasn't got a lot of money to spend there, and they're going to want him to bring through Downing, Henderson, Carroll et al, none of whom particularly fit his preferred style of football. Just as the likes of Glen Johnson, Spearing, Gerard, Skyrtl don't either, imo. Liverpool are quite an old-fashioned looking team in my opinion.

And then the ruckas must be a turn off. The fans were not going to give any new man much of a chance, the job's a bit of a poisoned chalice. As well as which no manager's going to be particularly impressed with the owners, they don't seem like they're willing to give you much of a chance, sacking Hodgson, and Dalglish after short amounts of time - this is the point about not sacking Redknapp as well I believe. I read somewhere that Rodgers felt he'd learned from his error with Reading, where he thought he'd been disloyal to Watford, jumped too readily, and then got his comeuppance. I suspect he also looked at Martinez and Wigan, and saw that he wasn't harmed by showing them loyalty last year when Villa came calling.

Finally there's the official noises coming out of his camp which suggest he felt that if you're going to head hunt someone, head hunt them, don't go and say we really, really, might want you so long as you talk a good game in the interview. What's that about? How can talking, add anything to what he's shown he can do through Swansea's performances? If you want to hear what he has to say, read some of the interviews with him ffs. Anyway, this is good, because it doesn't lead the Swansea City fans on, he's not promising to stay with them forever, just saying that if he were going to leave he needs to be approached sensibly.

As you say, I think the whole episode speaks of his maturity.

This.

The thang is, Slothio, when we played them in the NextGen, the Scousers were going on about their kids should have beat us, and when they were reinstated, their forums were filled with the attitude that it was only right, as they dominated and bullied us. What I saw, on the contrary, was that our younger players had cleared been trained to a style of play, and it was very remiscent of our 1st team at its best. Young players should fill out a bit and build up sttrength, but the technical abilities are hard to inculcate into players when they get past a certain age.

What I saw of Liverpool, on the other hand, was that their yoof system encapsulated everything that was identified as wrong with English/British football, over ten years ago. As far as I am aware, Southampton, when they were relegated, were the first fairly large club to take this on board, and they hired a job-lot of young Dutch coaches, and I think you can see the positive benefits of that, now (including in players they have produced and sold). By doing this, they were concentrating on the long-term health of the club, rather than busting a gut to try to get straight back in the Prem. I think we were the first really big club to take the same approach, when we hired Arnesen to oversee our footballing progression. Liverpool's yoofs, against us, looked like big, strong, athletes, brought up on lots of competition from an early age - so, it isn't just their first team squad that looks like quite an old fashioned looking team.

 

[StartingPrice]

I thought Liverpool fans were renowned for their patience?

Do you think Henry should have given Hodgson and Dalglish more time, sloth?

That got a funny rating from me, as surely it is a joke, they are the most entitled-thinking bunch of fans you will ever meet. They cannot go beyond the fact that they had one (albeit unprecedented) period of domination.

If they looked at themselves honestly, they would understand why United stole a march on them - building a huge capacity stadium when crowd-numbers were falling in the eighties. Even when contrasted with us, they have an inferior footballing ethos, now, and have not adapted at all (see my post above), no plans or financing for a new stadium, (which will put them behind United, Citeh, Us, the Goons, Newcastle, Sunderland, and, no doubt eventually, Chelsea - may have missed some). There training facilities, in the year we bring our state-of-the-art development online, are pretty basic, and old school. They looked like they had at least realised all of this, and were trying to move in the right direction in hiring Comolli (whether you believe he was the right man for them or not) - and they've got rid of him. Even if they hire the right person, now, it will take them years to even approach where we are now. They have a massive global fan base, which, I believe, is papering over the cracks for them - but in ten, twenty years time, if they having pushed themselves back into the pack challenging for the title, young kids, in general, growing up overseas will not really carre that much for an illustrious history from 30 or 40 years ago - they will be much more intersted in the challengers and the teams close to the challengers who play good football.

And yet, their fans still believe they have a Gawd-given right to win the league, and imagine they understand football better than anyone else on the planet - even their own managers.

They'll end up with Rafa again if fan sentiment is anything to go by. 1) They are fucking stuck in nostalgia.

2) Oh and by the way...oh no we're stuck with a brilliant manager. What a nightmare, Harry is as underrated by our support as Rodgers is overrated IMO.

1) This, exactly.

2) Why do you have to polarize EVERYTHING Paolo. Can't you see that it is possible to think Redknapp is a good manager, but also believe someone is a better option now or just plain better?

Yours SinFaithfully

Blow Hard

 

[Paolo10]

Rodgers is better than Redknapp?

No, no he's not.

 

[StartingPrice]

Rodgers is better than Redknapp?

No, no he's not.

1) I don't think anyone actually said Rodgers is better than Redknapp.
2) I didn't actually mention Rodgers, you surmised that.
3) Whether he is or not is subjective.
4) I think the idea is that there are a certain percentage of SCers who believe (impossible to prove in the present) that Rodgers will be a better manager than Redknapp, that he will prove to be a better manager in the long run (and, remember, we are looking for a dynasty builder like Beetroot Head), and that he will be better suited to take advantage of our training facilities, youth developement, etc. - essentially, he is more future proof.
5) Redknapp can't be our manager forever - you will have to accept that, sooner-or-later, he will be leaving. We also thought, with good reason, that he would be jumping ship this Summer. He has had a couth-case (where he coulda been banged up) and a heart condition, and has spoken of hoy tired he is - why do you find it so offensive that any might even consider a replacement for him?

Anyway, you completely ignored the question - why do you have to polarize everything? Why ccan't you conceive that there might be as good a manager now, or a better one for te future, without beleiving that someone is saying Redknapp is crap?