Levy to stick with Redknapp

[parklane1]

They'll end up with Rafa again if fan sentiment is anything to go by. They are fucking stuck in nostalgia.

Oh and by the way...oh no we're stuck with a brilliant manager. What a nightmare, Harry is as underrated by our support as Rodgers is overrated IMO.

A brilliant manager who has one one trophy in over 30 years

 

[adiepf]

A brilliant manager who has one one trophy in over 30 years

But wait he has got us to 2 fa cup semi-finals, one against portsmouth which we wo....lost & another against chelsea which we also wo...lost, sorry got smashed to peices....

Then theres the carling cup final against man utd which we wo.....lost

Oh & he has finished 4th, 5th & 4th with a really limited squad which is probably the erm....4th or at worst 5th best in the league!!!

There simply can not be anyone better & frankly we are a disgrace for thinking such filth & trying to look to the future..

 

[parklane1]

But wait he has got us to 2 fa cup semi-finals, one against portsmouth which we wo....lost & another against chelsea which we also wo...lost, sorry got smashed to peices....

Then theres the carling cup final against man utd which we wo.....lost

Oh & he has finished 4th, 5th & 4th with a really limited squad which is probably the erm....4th or at worst 5th best in the league!!!

There simply can not be anyone better & frankly we are a disgrace for thinking such filth & trying to look to the future..

So how many nearly trophys has he nearly won.

 

[adiepf]

So how many nearly trophys has he nearly won.

Nearly 3....& we nearly finished 3rd this year as well...but then we only had a 13pt cushion so thats easily lost....ermmm

There are plenty worse than harry out there but by that token there are also plenty better & with more humility may i add...

 

[adiepf]

Having said all the above i have to add though that H did save us from almost certain relegation when we had 2 points from 8 games in the days of the 15 game premiership season...i mean thank fuck for H cos it wasnt like now when wed have had another 30 (thirty) games to save ourselves...oh no

 

[parklane1]

And he nearly got the England job.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

And he nearly got the England job.

He also nearly got sent down

 

[Mr Pink]

he can almost read and write to...

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I'm not sure people care about looking like a fanny particularly, that's seems a bit like the kind of stuff you'd be worried about in the playground, rather than as an adult. I think your second point is more reasonable though, although again I'm not sure being insulted is here or there, more that people should know his ability, and if they don't then that says something about them.

Missed this earlier.

If you end up going back to your current employers with your tail between your legs, what does that make you look like?

If Harry and Woy had both been interviewed for the England job, Woy got the nod and Harry came back to Tottenham with his cap in his hand, how do you think he'd be perceived?

The point is that were we to sack Harry, Rodgers would be unlikely to come to us for much of the same reasons we speculate he turned Liverpool down for.

Where is the evidence of that?

 

[adiepf]

He also nearly got sent down

& nearly had a winner in the 2:30pm at york

 

[TheGreenLily]

I don't know, maybe peoples memories are real short and I mean really short.

1 win in the 11 games, throwing away guaranteed CL football season, lost again to the scum who are laughing their arses off at us after being 10 points clear and 2-0 up against them.

The terrible choice in regards to subs and tactics when placed under real pressure, during which time he was constantly whoring himself for the England job (No, I am not slating him for going for or wanting the England job, just the way in which he did it... at our expense)

Not knowing what to do when key players are injured. Just look at what happened when Lennon come back for the last few games of the season (after 1 win in 11), we start winning and finish 4th. Was this down to Harry? No, it was down to Lennon being available again and Harry being able to resort back to being the one trick pony he has always been. He is fine when he has his favourite starting 11, as soon as he loses just one key player, it all goes to pot and everything goes all over the place, he just does not know what to do when he is up against it.

You can look back at all the threads over recent months complaining about Harry, every single one is valid. For me, Harry has a lot more negatives than positives.

Harry has to go, I can never forgive him for the past few months. And no, finishing 4th this season is a f***ing joke after being 10 points clear of arsenal. We should have been playing the young lads for the final games of the season to give them a taster of the big time and give them something to aim for.

 

[sloth]

Missed this earlier.

If you end up going back to your current employers with your tail between your legs, what does that make you look like?

If Harry and Woy had both been interviewed for the England job, Woy got the nod and Harry came back to Tottenham with his cap in his hand, how do you think he'd be perceived?

I agree that there's an element of pride at work. Either you know I'm good and you want me, or I'm not interested. Which is the point I made as well. Maybe I was being too picky then, on the the way you were saying it, rather than getting what you were saying...

Where is the evidence of that?

I don't think there is evidence for it, but it was addressed to someone who'd just agreed with my assessment. So I was saying, if you agree, then it can't follow that...

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I agree that there's an element of pride at work. Either you know I'm good and you want me, or I'm not interested. Which is the point I made as well. Maybe I was being too picky then, on the the way you were saying it, rather than getting what you were saying...



I don't think there is evidence for it, but it was addressed to someone who'd just agreed with my assessment. So I was saying, if you agree, then it can't follow that...

I think if we went balls out for Rodgers that we'd have a damn good chance of getting him. I don't think it matters if his predecessor's been sacked. I don't think managers think like that. Look at RDM. What have they had over there? 8 managers in 9 years? I bet he'd give his left testicle to get that job. I don't understand it myself but I'm sure there would be a queue round the block to work under Abramovich.

It's like the England manager's job. General consensus is that it's a poisoned chalice but it's still a job that people dream of.

You spoke about morals yesterday and I found it weird. Abramovich sacked the Tinkerman and hired Jose. Came up smelling of roses. Sacked Jose but who's to say that Jose would still be there now if he hadn't? He's never waited very long anywhere.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I've only just found out that Rodgers has knocked back Liverpool's group audition. I think JH is spot on, Rodgers is probably thinking if you're not sure you want me or 11 other wankers you can fuck off. I think it's mark of the blokes self esteem that he's knocked back such an opportunity.

I don't believe for a second that it's because of Liverpool's players - who I believe are a decent bunch, easily capable of being coached by Rodgers.

The news he's knocked them back has cheered me up no end. The bloke impresses me more and more.

 

[StartingPrice]

I've only just found out that Rodgers has knocked back Liverpool's group audition. I think JH is spot on, Rodgers is probably thinking if you're not sure you want me or 11 other wankers you can fuck off. I think it's mark of the blokes self esteem that he's knocked back such an opportunity.

I don't believe for a second that it's because of Liverpool's players - who I believe are a decent bunch, easily capable of being coached by Rodgers.

The news he's knocked them back has cheered me up no end. The bloke impresses me more and more.

I agree with most of what you say - and I am certain a really astute manager could get Liverpool playing better.

But, if I am honest, ATM, if I were him and given a straight chocie between us and Liverpool, I would take us: new training complex versus old, limited training complex; new stadium under development, versus no new stadium AND no new stadium money; a change in ethos, several years old now, to focus on ball retention and technical skill, versus a traditional focus at youth level on fast, strong players being competitive; a progressive Chairmamn versus some ignoramuses (sic.). Hell, we even have a better first team squad than them, and their know all fans demanding instant success don't seem that appealing. When you draw it out in this way, I can see other reasons why he might want to avoid Liverpool almost as much as he wanted to avoid Chelsea.

Personally, I think we are a perfect fit for him.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think if we went balls out for Rodgers that we'd have a damn good chance of getting him. I don't think it matters if his predecessor's been sacked. I don't think managers think like that. Look at RDM. What have they had over there? 8 managers in 9 years? I bet he'd give his left testicle to get that job. I don't understand it myself but I'm sure there would be a queue round the block to work under Abramovich.

It's like the England manager's job. General consensus is that it's a poisoned chalice but it's still a job that people dream of.

You spoke about morals yesterday and I found it weird. Abramovich sacked the Tinkerman and hired Jose. Came up smelling of roses. Sacked Jose but who's to say that Jose would still be there now if he hadn't? He's never waited very long anywhere.

I agree with some of the above sentiments, but if chelsea hadn't managed to miraculously make a CL final (or even if the lose tonight) do you think Abramovich will be thinking his approach to job rotation has been vindicated ? I mean 6th place ?

I would fucking love us to bring in Rodgers, but in the last 15 years only two clubs have finished in the top four 15 times. It's the only two clubs who haven't changed managers in that time. We have just competed our most consistent sequence of finishing positions since the inception of the EPL. It has coincided with our longest serving manager since it's inception.

I would imagine things like this are going through Levy's mind.

I don't believe that sticking with a manger for the above reasons is valid. I believe if you believe you can improve and their is logic in your choice then you (the chairman etc) are entitled to do what you believe best for the club.

A couple of Abramovich's tinkerings were correct a couple were plain stupid and a couple were just debatable. I haven't had a problem with the logic behind any of Levy's appointments so far - Redknapp in hindsight more than at the time. So if he sacks Redknapp I'll trust his judgement. Personally I hope he does and brings in Rodgers. But I can fully understand why he probably won't.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree with most of what you say - and I am certain a really astute manager could get Liverpool playing better.

But, if I am honest, ATM, if I were him and given a straight chocie between us and Liverpool, I would take us: new training complex versus old, limited training complex; new stadium under development, versus no new stadium AND no new stadium money; a change in ethos, several years old now, to focus on ball retention and technical skill, versus a traditional focus at youth level on fast, strong players being competitive; a progressive Chairmamn versus some ignoramuses (sic.). Hell, we even have a better first team squad than them, and their know all fans demanding instant success don't seem that appealing. When you draw it out in this way, I can see other reasons why he might want to avoid Liverpool almost as much as he wanted to avoid Chelsea.

Personally, I think we are a perfect fit for him.

Mate, to any up and coming manager Liverpool are a dream job. They wouldn't give a fuck about the training ground. Liverpool remain one of the biggest names in world football.

I think if Liverpool had gone to Rodgers and Rodgers only, he'd be their manager today.

I also believe that given the straight choice he might choose us, and that possibly would be because of the type of player/football we have right now and where we are in our development as a team as opposed to Liverpool, but it wouldn't be a certainty.

I agree that we are a damn good fit for him though, and am really disappointed that England didn't choose Redknapp and we could have all got what we wanted (including Redknapp).

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I agree with some of the above sentiments, but if chelsea hadn't managed to miraculously make a CL final (or even if the lose tonight) do you think Abramovich will be thinking his approach to job rotation has been vindicated ? I mean 6th place ?

I would fucking love us to bring in Rodgers, but in the last 15 years only two clubs have finished in the top four 15 times. It's the only two clubs who haven't changed managers in that time. We have just competed our most consistent sequence of finishing positions since the inception of the EPL. It has coincided with our longest serving manager since it's inception.

I would imagine things like this are going through Levy's mind.

I don't believe that sticking with a manger for the above reasons is valid. I believe if you believe you can improve and their is logic in your choice then you (the chairman etc) are entitled to do what you believe best for the club.

A couple of Abramovich's tinkerings were correct a couple were plain stupid and a couple were just debatable. I haven't had a problem with the logic behind any of Levy's appointments so far - Redknapp in hindsight more than at the time. So if he sacks Redknapp I'll trust his judgement. Personally I hope he does and brings in Rodgers. But I can fully understand why he probably won't.

I thought the sacking of Ancelotti was highly unfair. The man meddles too much. Why was Wilkins kicked into touch and why was Torres forced upon Carlo? Sometimes I think he's as gormless as he looks. I don't fully understand what went wrong for AVB but I think they've certainly benefitted from giving him the boot.

 

[sloth]

I would fucking love us to bring in Rodgers, but in the last 15 years only two clubs have finished in the top four 15 times. It's the only two clubs who haven't changed managers in that time. We have just competed our most consistent sequence of finishing positions since the inception of the EPL. It has coincided with our longest serving manager since it's inception.
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That's a correlation rather than evidence of causation. For example, someone might equally well say that the reason those clubs haven't sacked their respective managers is because they've always finished in the top 4.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

And I don't like the undercurrent of feeling that almost any manager will be a success story if you give him long enough. Utd and Le Shite have stuck with their managers for the last 15 years because they've always managed to deliver.

Some managers are sacked unfairly and others haven't got what it takes. That's what I reckon anyway.