Luis Diaz signs for Liverpool

[hellava_tough]

And I think Paratici is for the most part doing that. Sarr and Gil were vintage Leicester/Dortmund type signings. Even Romero, as expensive as he was, was unproven at a top team and still one step below the big boys.

I think he is trying to do this, but also don’t think you blame him for having a swing at a potential star if he was available.

Not sure about that.

Sarr is one for the future (out on loan) and Gil is kind of a squad player/kind of one for the future (may go out on loan).

I think most people think a 'Leicester or Dortmund type signing' is 100% for the first team or squad.

Romero is one of these signings though.

 

[Griff001]

Christ, if there's one thing nearly as bad as insufferable Liverpool fans moaning about their club, it's reading arguments between us lot about how well run Liverpool may or may not be.

The answer, as always, is somewhere in the middle. Liverpool fans do have a point in some respects, they barely signed anyone for 2 windows after their great title winning season (sound familiar?) and they didn't buy any decent defensive reinforcements when their defence was decimated with injuries.

However, they ultimately appointed Klopp, a decent DOF and have made some smart signings over the years that's led to them winning the league and the CL.

Arguments over both sides of that point over and over is exhausting to read...

 

[barry]

It's not just about Liverpool being a bigger club with consistent CL, but what many do not want to admit is that they are also just more appealing both in terms of the way they play and the teammates that Diaz would have around him there. I hate to say it but having better players always makes it easier to sign better players to play alongside, and we only really have Kane and Son with pulling power. I can't imagine he is thrilled by the prospect of our defense and midfield in comparison, not to mention that it's just more obvious where and how he will be utilised in Klopp's system and what impact he could have. If he came here, we don't know if in a year from now we're playing a completely different style which doesn't suit him at all.

We're still finding our identity under Conte, and for now we need to be recruiting more smartly rather than just splashing huge sums on marquee players because they are hyped up in the media. Honestly I didn't even have time to get excited by this transfer it was over so quickly and just didn't seem like the kind of signing we would really make happen.

Que? They have better players because they're are a bigger club in the champions league. I don't agree with the style of play point either. If Liverpool were competing with Chelsea or United, it might not have been as clear cut, plus it's not like Brighton are signing players well above their level.

 

[H-SF]

Mate they are an incredibly entitled spoilt fan base. One of the worst around. If they spent a day in our shoes and see how it really is, or even their neighbours Everton.

Their owners have been incredible for them. Not perfect but who is?

What more do they want? Probably an oil sheikh.

Spurs fans on the other hand, how long suffering do we have it. We have every right to be cheesed off with certain things.

I don't really agree. Yes their owners pushed the boat out in 2018, something that we have been afraid to do, but I see a lot of similarities in how they are run and we are run, particularly in recent years. It is fair to point to the fact that FSG have injected more cash than Enic though. Its also worth noting that the standards are the two clubs are different. Liverpool are a much bigger club than us and have traditionally won loads more. Not winning league's/UCLs should not (up until now) been a stick to beat our owners with as we have never really done it in the past, Liverpool have.

 

[spurs mental]

the Ireland-Liverpool connection predates football, no?

Yeah but they're still massive over here. The biggest supported club I reckon.

 

[hellava_tough]

The amount of times we get beaten to a deal, I genuinely wonder if we were ever actually serious about signing the player. It's like the scouting started during the window and we were still unsure. Scouting should be done before transfer windows open so r focus on negotiating a deal. Other clubs are clearly willing to spend the required fee and at 45m euros that's not a lot if we trying to upgrade 25-30m euro players.

I have wondered over the last few years, whether or not Spurs have a large enough recruitment team (i.e. scouts, analysts, negotiators, lawyers, etc).

If you have 5 positions in the squad to fill and a budget allotted for the task, how difficult is it really for a wealthy club like Tottenham to identify 5 players for each of those positions and negotiate with the 25 people involved (and their teams and clubs)?

It might be labour intensive and time-consuming, but we can afford to hire 40 or 50 people to get the job done.

It just doesn't seem like we've ever been particularly good at getting a deal done cleanly or efficiently.

 

[crazyguitarman]

Que? They have better players because they're are a bigger club in the champions league. I don't agree with the style of play point either. If Liverpool were competing with Chelsea or United, it might not have been as clear cut, plus it's not like Brighton are signing players well above their level.

Not saying that consistent CL isn't a factor, but it's quite wildly overstated in my view. Try to imagine the perspective of a neutral footballer, assuming they are not only money-driven, then they want to play in a team that gives them the best chance to succeed. Liverpool is more that than us, because they have better players for him to work with. It's a team game after all.

 

[Sputic]

What a shame, there was a breif moment in the world of football Liverpool and Tottenham under Klopp and Pochittno were even. Imo we messed around while Liverpool made strategic positioning signings.

We may have been even on the pitch (we were ahead of them for quite a while imo) but when it comes to transfers they've always been ahead. Liverpool have always paid a lot more in wages and ultimately that's what counts.

 

[Raitei]

So you wouldn't of tried if there was a small chance it could have happened??

Going for a very low probability transfer extremely late in the window who doesn't play in a position that has been identified as one of the places that you need to fortify reads like poor management to me. We could do a lot of things that have a small chance of happening on the off chance one comes through, but you would hope that given the limited time and supposedly resources we have, we'd make smarter decisions than making Diaz our supposed main target.

Why are you under the impression that Spurs were desperate to get the deal done without anyone knowing? Levy and Paratici know how it works. They would have known very well that it was in both Porto's and Diaz's agent's interests to have as many clubs interested as possible.

I'm going off of Ally Gold's piece where he says that Spurs were furious that the transfer leaked because of exactly this reason

Spurs were understood to be furious when news of the Diaz talks with Porto leaked into the Portuguese media and that's because of the situation they now find themselves in

 

[Freddie]

Not sure if it's been posted but Colombian journo (Pipe Sierra, was on Anfield Wrap) tweeted that Diaz didn't want to talk to Tottenham because he didn't want to deal with Mendes. That suggests we got Mendes involved, rather than Porto as was reported elsewhere.

 

[el_principe]

Extremely disappointed. Why are we so slow? When a top player available, do it quick. As quickly as possible. We got lucky when we got Cuti Romero. It was a very slow process too but we competed with no one. Had there been another big club competing with us, Romero would have worn another jersey today.

Barca bid for Adama, in 1-2 days he is signed. Less than hours ago, Liverpool bid for Diaz. He will be signed tonight? Why can’t we be that quick?

Lautaro, Vlahovic, Adama, now Diaz. All gone. Now what? Maybe go for Dybala. Juventus just signed Vlahovic. Dybala won’t extent his contract maybe he is available.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

I'm going off of Ally Gold's piece where he says that Spurs were furious that the transfer leaked because of exactly this reason

For starters, I suspect that that the word "furious" was Ally's rather than from anyone at the club. Secondly, even if anyone at the club really was surprised and upset that news of our bid was made public, then I would wager a large amount that it wasn't either Paratici or Levy. They know perfectly well how selling clubs and agents operate.

 

[JCRD]

I have wondered over the last few years, whether or not Spurs have a large enough recruitment team (i.e. scouts, analysts, negotiators, lawyers, etc).

If you have 5 positions in the squad to fill and a budget allotted for the task, how difficult is it really for a wealthy club like Tottenham to identify 5 players for each of those positions and negotiate with the 25 people involved (and their teams and clubs)?

It might be labour intensive and time-consuming, but we can afford to hire 40 or 50 people to get the job done.

It just doesn't seem like we've ever been particularly good at getting a deal done cleanly or efficiently.

Youre right and this is why Levy has mentioned recruitment structure and ive mentioned that this isnt about throwing money this is about having a solid foundation for recruitment. This should have been done a long time ago and I blame Levy for that but now thats Paraticis job - not convinced by him but ill see what he does over the next six months

 

[TheAmerican]

[Pedro Sepúlveda] #FCPorto ACCEPTED. #LuisDiaz will be a player of #Liverpool until 2027. Business of 45 million € + 15 million € in objectives. @LuisFDiaz19 will have an annual salary of 3.5 million € clean in @LFC . #Conceição dissatisfied with the completion of the deal. ?​

 

[Matthew]

[Pedro Sepúlveda] #FCPorto ACCEPTED. #LuisDiaz will be a player of #Liverpool until 2027. Business of 45 million € + 15 million € in objectives. @LuisFDiaz19 will have an annual salary of 3.5 million € clean in @LFC . #Conceição dissatisfied with the completion of the deal. ?​

thats what £70k per week too? fuck me! theyve got a bargain out of all this.

 

[GutBucket]

He's best possible source (other than official club account), can close this thread.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

Extremely disappointed. Why are we so slow? When a top player available, do it quick. As quickly as possible. We got lucky when we got Cuti Romero. It was a very slow process too but we competed with no one. Had there been another big club competing with us, Romero would have worn another jersey today.

Barca bid for Adama, in 1-2 days he is signed. Less than hours ago, Liverpool bid for Diaz. He will be signed tonight? Why can’t we be that quick?

Lautaro, Vlahovic, Adama, now Diaz. All gone. Now what? Maybe go for Dybala. Juventus just signed Vlahovic. Dybala won’t extent his contract maybe he is available.

Liverpool have been monitoring Diaz for the best part of a year. They were proposing to buy him this summer but our bid forced their hand.

 

[Phil-spur99]

Liverpool are incredible at recruitment. Klopp knows exactly the types of players to sign and what works in the PL.

He fills the attack with pace, agility, dribbling ability etc. Mane, Salah, Jota, Firmino, now DIaz.

He knows exactly what positions to strengthen and when, he knows how to phase players out and bring new ones in like he's done with Jota/Firmino.

Sure, they make some mistakes along the way but 90% of the time they get it bang on.

He is a mastermind and Pool follow his plan to perfection.

Jota is a really good example in that. At the time I thought it was slightly odd but he works really well with how they play and there is an element of succession planning in that with Firmino.

That said, like all clubs they don’t get it right all the time, Minamino and Kieta I think are examples of that but ultimately they get it right for more than we do.

People can say we haven’t backed our managers but if you look at the history of our big signings, going back to Soldado, Paulinho, Tanguay, Lo Celso, Davinson, even Moura (or Rebrov) these are players that should have all come in for the money spent on them and elevated the first 11. None of them are automatic picks based on performance rather than being the player we have available. None of them have truest delivered.

The only player you can say has done this is Son (after a season settling in).

If I was Levy I’d be a bit gun shy and asking “are you sure this time” before cutting a cheque for the next £45m. It the assessment of who we are buying that is as much of an issue and the suggestion we don’t spend is a bit of myth because you don’t see the results of the spending improving that first 11; that is the issue.

 

[Nerine]

Perhaps our plan all along was to force Liverpool into making the move for him now.

Who knows.

 

[Freddie]

He's best possible source (other than official club account), can close this thread.

Let it absord some more anger to keep it off the ITK thread