Mass Protest at the Lane this sunday?

[talkshowhost86]

Who did I mouth off at exactly ?

I merely made what I thought was a very valid point. Do you not think that any prospective new owner is going to look at an angry mob demanding the board be replaced and not think: "that could be us in few months time".


And I love the way I'm accused of "mouthing off" on the subject of a load of people who intend to "mouth off" just because they disagree with the board's running the club. How infantile.

Did you realise you were being ironic ?

:roll:

You said that the fans who want Levy out are ****s. That's who you were mouthing off at and you know it.

Like I said fair enough if you don't agree with them, and fair enough if you express why in here. If someone called you a **** for expressing that then that would be wrong.

If you can't see the difference between a protest and you calling people ****s for wanting to do that then there's not much point discussing anything with you.

 

[hybridsoldier]

this is not gonna help our club

watch us lose and beeven more of a laughing stock the next day in the paper

I remember a couple of years ago there was a "rotten to the core" protest against the board

then we finished 5th.............twice, and won a carling cup.....and the fuckers were silent.

anyone involved in this DOES NOT CARE ABOUT TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR FOOTBALL CLUB. They are ding it for selfish reasons - some false sense of thinking they made a difference, made things better, when all they are gonna do is make things worse.

fucking disgrace and I hope our lot turn on these imbeciles!

 

[talkshowhost86]

this is not gonna help our club

watch us lose and beeven more of a laughing stock the next day in the paper

I remember a couple of years ago there was a "rotten to the core" protest against the board

then we finished 5th.............twice, and won a carling cup.....and the fuckers were silent.

anyone involved in this DOES NOT CARE ABOUT TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR FOOTBALL CLUB. They are ding it for selfish reasons - some false sense of thinking they made a difference, made things better, when all they are gonna do is make things worse.

fucking disgrace and I hope our lot turn on these imbeciles!

Of course they care about the club and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. I think the protest is misguided at a time when the feelings of the majority of the fans aren't really known. But that doesn't mean that the people involved don't care about the club.

Incidentally the protest is now not happening. But don't let that stop you mugging off some of your fellow spurs fans.

 

[worcestersauce]

Source "The mail"

Apprentice star Sugar attacks Spurs fans demo as an 'unintelligent mob' and is glad Levy didn't tell Ramos: 'You're fired'

Former Tottenham chairman Sir Alan Sugar is delighted Daniel Levy did not call in manager Juande Ramos and say: 'You're fired.'

Sugar gave his backing to Ramos and called the Spurs fans planning a demonstration at Sunday's game against Bolton an 'unintelligent minority mob'


Its Tuesday and the mail are already creating stories on the back of this imaginethe crap on Monday.

 

[Reg]

Daniel Levy is exactly the man that should be blamed for our current demise, if not him the ENIC. Either way one or both of them is at fault.

Daniel Levy's intention when signing Ramos was to break into the top 4 immediately. He couldn't wait to tie up the champions league revenue - psooibly bcos the ENIC business plan was to get spurs into the top 4 within a certain time-frame, so they could sell at a huge profit - complete speculation, but not wildly improbable.

demanding this immediate transition to the top 4, and therefore the champions league, showed a complete lack of foresight and inability set realistic goals, regardless of who influenced him.

the inability to see that steady progress was being made, which was a trend in the right direction. There was stability at the club and the foundation was being laid for building real progress. This foundation was ripped out and the stability of the club very much compromised.

I have no doubt that Levy wants spurs to succeed and make the champions league, but I also have no doubt that it is due to the revenue that it would generate.

He fired a manager, whose personal goals were perfectly aligned to that of the organisation - somehting which is almost essential for success, especially in football.
He destabilised the club and set unrealistic, unachievable goals.

These are all massive business blunders that hafe negatively affected our football club. and for those that say he has made us financially stable - look a the falling share price - that argument is also losing a lot of weight

Repped!:bowdown:

 

[Reg]

Nail on head, you're mental. That is a total knee jerk. 7 years of solid progress and thisis the first real massive hiccup.

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It's a very slow kneejerk then:roll:, because this started with "Jolgate" (I like that expression), which was after the first match of last season. If I'd had a hiccup lasting 14 months I'd think it time to see the doctor.

 

[talkshowhost86]

It's a very slow kneejerk then:roll:, because this started with "Jolgate" (I like that expression), which was after the first match of last season. If I'd had a hiccup lasting 14 months I'd think it time to see the doctor.

It's even slower than that. Under Levy we've improved from 11th to 9th on average (and that's the most positive spin to put on it) and in that time according to Topspurs ticket prices have gone up, on average 49%.

I'm not sure it's knee-jerk to suggest that this isn't as great as some make out.

 

[spursgirls]

A lot of sense in this article I reckon:

http://www.footballfancast.com/blog/tottenham/why-spurs-protest-must-not-go-ahead/6164

 

[SpurSince57]

Were you among those thinking it was a great decision to get rid of Jol, TSH? Because if you were, and you're now in favour of this protest, I don't quite see the logic.

I thought it was a stupid decision at the time and several times voiced doubts about Ramos, and the way it was done stank the house out, but the bottom line is that Levy did what he thought was best for the club. At the moment it seems like he got it horribly wrong, but I don't recall too many saying that before the season started.

 

[markdadude]

sorry but have the fans decided to protest or did the daily mail tell fans that they have decided to protest?

 

[SpurSince57]

A question that has already been asked. Whatever, those rags are milking it for all it's worth, for pretty obvious reasons.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Were you among those thinking it was a great decision to get rid of Jol, TSH? Because if you were, and you're now in favour of this protest, I don't quite see the logic.

I thought it was a stupid decision at the time and several times voiced doubts about Ramos, and the way it was done stank the house out, but the bottom line is that Levy did what he thought was best for the club. At the moment it seems like he got it horribly wrong, but I don't recall too many saying that before the season started.

At the time I thought Jol had to go and I stand by that. I also agree with you however that it was done in a disgusting fashion.

And I don't support this protest. All I've said in this thread is that it's condescending for the likes of BC to think they are above the people who wanted to protest.

For what it's worth I think that the stats show that we havn't improved significantly under Levy and in that time we have paid a huge amount more for that small improvement. That suggests that we should at least be looking at whether Levy is all that.

Personally I'd rather see it done in a more reasoned and considered way. But I think it's wrong for people to try and belittle the opinions of those who wanted to protest just because they disagree.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Daniel Levy is exactly the man that should be blamed for our current demise, if not him the ENIC. Either way one or both of them is at fault.

Daniel Levy's intention when signing Ramos was to break into the top 4 immediately. He couldn't wait to tie up the champions league revenue - psooibly bcos the ENIC business plan was to get spurs into the top 4 within a certain time-frame, so they could sell at a huge profit - complete speculation, but not wildly improbable.

demanding this immediate transition to the top 4, and therefore the champions league, showed a complete lack of foresight and inability set realistic goals, regardless of who influenced him.

the inability to see that steady progress was being made, which was a trend in the right direction. There was stability at the club and the foundation was being laid for building real progress. This foundation was ripped out and the stability of the club very much compromised.

I have no doubt that Levy wants spurs to succeed and make the champions league, but I also have no doubt that it is due to the revenue that it would generate.

He fired a manager, whose personal goals were perfectly aligned to that of the organisation - somehting which is almost essential for success, especially in football.
He destabilised the club and set unrealistic, unachievable goals.

These are all massive business blunders that hafe negatively affected our football club. and for those that say he has made us financially stable - look a the falling share price - that argument is also losing a lot of weight

You do realise that, almost certainly, Levy was was very happy to sanction probably two or three more major purchases in the summer don't you ?

Whatever Levy's motives for getting us as high as possible in the EPL surely, as a fan, you shouldn't care. If levy's motives are to achieve maximum return on his investment but getting us to the Champions League is how he aims to achieve that WTF do you care.

Levy has been happy to spend money on players. He has installed a system and managers that have got us the best players this club has had for 25 years. It has also seen us qualify for europe the last three years and win a trophy in great style. Yes it has also seen us financially the most successfull we have ever been by miles. Despite never kicking a CL ball we are one of the top 15 most profitable clubs in world football. It is this financial position that will ensure that no matter what happens this season, we won't become Leeds Utd. We are on an eight game streak without a win - Surely it's a little premature to talk about our "demise" isn't it ?

:roll:

You said that the fans who want Levy out are ****s. That's who you were mouthing off at and you know it.

Like I said fair enough if you don't agree with them, and fair enough if you express why in here. If someone called you a **** for expressing that then that would be wrong.

If you can't see the difference between a protest and you calling people ****s for wanting to do that then there's not much point discussing anything with you.

No what I exactly said was - in response to someone saying "what's the harm in demonstarting about wanting Levy out ?" - that how about the thought that any prospective owner would look at the angry mob (****s)demanding a boardroom beheading and think that could be us.

I didn't say wanting Levy removed immediately makes you a ****. But demonstrating outside the club on sunday, angrily demanding this imo does make you a stupid **** for various reasons.

It is only going to put more pressure on everybody at a time when I'm sure everybody is already busting their bollocks to get things right.

And do all these angry nitwits have their new buyer in place ? How pleased will they be if we end up with Mike Ashley and Paul Kelmsley ?
Or even better, some third world despot looking for somewhere to wash some of his offshore loot ?

Of course they care about the club and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. I think the protest is misguided at a time when the feelings of the majority of the fans aren't really known. But that doesn't mean that the people involved don't care about the club.

Incidentally the protest is now not happening. But don't let that stop you mugging off some of your fellow spurs fans.

I suggest other wise. I suggest that most of them are just angry because we haven't won for ages and need to vent at someone without giving a thought to what it will actually do to the club they proclaim to love.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

At the time I thought Jol had to go and I stand by that. I also agree with you however that it was done in a disgusting fashion.

And I don't support this protest. All I've said in this thread is that it's condescending for the likes of BC to think they are above the people who wanted to protest.

For what it's worth I think that the stats show that we havn't improved significantly under Levy and in that time we have paid a huge amount more for that small improvement. That suggests that we should at least be looking at whether Levy is all that.

Personally I'd rather see it done in a more reasoned and considered way. But I think it's wrong for people to try and belittle the opinions of those who wanted to protest just because they disagree.

So it's wrong for me to be angry about people harming our club ?

You don't think that two fifth places and winning the cup the following year were an improvemnt on the previous three years ? Or the quality of football we have played has increased each of the last 4 years, year on year ?

Surely that's progress. Surely success is built on this kind of progress. If we can see that the quality of footballer at this club is improving then surely that is all a chairman can deliver in terms of the football side.

When you think back maybe 5-6 years we probably had one, two real quality players in our side. Now we have only one or two who aren't - and we'd probably debate one of those for 17 pages.

Even now you say you still understand the replacing of Jol for Ramos. So do I. Whatever happens next I still do. I personally think we'd be in even bigger trouble now. I think if we can stumble our way through this spell, pick up a couple of strikers (prioroty) and maybe a tough CM in January, the players start to gel we will actually have a really great squad that will be worth the pain.

 

[johnmc]

All I can say this is just what these so called newspapers want. They have already started stirring it up. They will be there with the cameras at the ready hoping it all turns ugly. Spurs fans must resist. Sure it's a disaster of a season and The board are mainly to blame, but this sort of protest will only play into the hands of those B******s. You can bet trouble makers from other clubs will thinking this could be fun, lets go and get the Spurs fans in the papers for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Bet it doesn't happen

It will but it'll be 6 drunken chavs by the gates on Bill Nich Way damaging random people's cars coming out in case they are Levy's and just trying to get on SSN. The Mail will be there after one photo which they can CGI up on a Lord of the Rings scale for Monday's front page.

 

[talkshowhost86]

So it's wrong for me to be angry about people harming our club ?

You don't think that two fifth places and winning the cup the following year were an improvemnt on the previous three years ? Or the quality of football we have played has increased each of the last 4 years, year on year ?

Surely that's progress. Surely success is built on this kind of progress. If we can see that the quality of footballer at this club is improving then surely that is all a chairman can deliver in terms of the football side.

When you think back maybe 5-6 years we probably had one, two real quality players in our side. Now we have only one or two who aren't - and we'd probably debate one of those for 17 pages.

Even now you say you still understand the replacing of Jol for Ramos. So do I. Whatever happens next I still do. I personally think we'd be in even bigger trouble now. I think if we can stumble our way through this spell, pick up a couple of strikers (prioroty) and maybe a tough CM in January, the players start to gel we will actually have a really great squad that will be worth the pain.

As I've pointed out we havn't improved that much in a footballing sense at all since Levy has been in charge. We've moved up at best 2 places on average and have averaged 2 more points than the years before Levy.

Yes we had the two 5th places (some would say with a manager that Levy didn't pick in the first place...but I think that's harsh) but that doesn't make him a good chairman, particularly when he then pulls that squad apart just as we're getting close to something good.

And all this against a background of rocketing ticket prices and money making schemes such as selling the fans own chants as ringtones to the fans.

Yes I think we've improved under Levy...but only marginally. And I think we're paying a huge cost for that marginal improvement. I think it's more than fair enough to question whether that's right or not...even if it turns out that the answer is that we can't do any better.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I should add that I agree with the people who think the protest that was planned for Sunday was a bad idea and badly planned. If any protest is going to happen it needs to at least be a unified protest and I think this and other threads have shown that Spurs fans are far from unified on whether they want ENIC in charge anymore.

But I do think that there are enough people who want Levy and co out for it to be worth trying to get a proper consensus of the fans. That's why I was supporting the idea of a website to guage the fans opinions.

 

[SpurSince57]

At the time I thought Jol had to go and I stand by that. I also agree with you however that it was done in a disgusting fashion.

And I don't support this protest. All I've said in this thread is that it's condescending for the likes of BC to think they are above the people who wanted to protest.

For what it's worth I think that the stats show that we havn't improved significantly under Levy and in that time we have paid a huge amount more for that small improvement. That suggests that we should at least be looking at whether Levy is all that.

Personally I'd rather see it done in a more reasoned and considered way. But I think it's wrong for people to try and belittle the opinions of those who wanted to protest just because they disagree.

League position hasn't improved, except for the two seasons under Jol, and ironically it's those two seasons that put daft ideas into supporters' heads (and possibly Levy's head too). Like Jol said, he's a great businessman. It's on the football side that questions have to be asked. We had a five-year plan that was working pretty well and then got kicked out of the window—and supporters who were, and are, demanding CL football are just as much to blame. All very well for Jim Duggan to highlight the whopping hike in ticket prices, but just how else are we going to cover the wages of the players that fans demand? Wages that Levy has kept to a reasonable level?

Levy got rid of Jol and got Ramos in, a move apparently supported by a majority on SC, and subsequently indulged Ramos to a degree he was never indulged in at Sevilla. Make no mistake, every player we signed or tried to sign this summer was a player Ramos wanted, and Levy and Comolli ran their arses ragged trying to get them for him. We've got a quality squad that our coach asked for, and he seems unable to get it to work.

So blame Levy and Comolli. Seems logical to me.

 

[Andy]

Can we all agree to just sing Commolli out?