Match Threads - what is it you want?

[wadewill]

I think self-moderation works if there are consequences.

If you get x amount of people rating your posts badly, it removes your ability to post in match thread for example.

I guess the first step is identifying the problem and I don't think we've done that yet.

Is it a small number of idiots who we just need to find a mechanism to identify and remove?
Is it a majority of people? We can't ban everyone... (A&C, this one's for your benefit )
Is it less the people and more the situation? If the match thread wasn't so "live" and raw would that change how people post in it?
Is it only an issue when we play poorly or are the same people doing similar even without a good reason?

I think the first step is figuring out the problem.

Rob, Tottenham Hotspur is the route of all of our problems. Start there and move forwards

 

[Tucker]

I think self-moderation works if there are consequences.

If you get x amount of people rating your posts badly, it removes your ability to post in match thread for example.

I guess the first step is identifying the problem and I don't think we've done that yet.

Is it a small number of idiots who we just need to find a mechanism to identify and remove?
Is it a majority of people? We can't ban everyone... (A&C, this one's for your benefit )
Is it less the people and more the situation? If the match thread wasn't so "live" and raw would that change how people post in it?
Is it only an issue when we play poorly or are the same people doing similar even without a good reason?

I think the first step is figuring out the problem.

I think it’s all of those things. There are some people who post negatively no matter the performance or result.

I don’t think criticism is always a bad thing to post, and there’s always going to be a degree of venting in the match thread. I don’t really see a way around that without being heavy handed.

It’s what happens after that’s depressing. The usual people swarm to all the player threads they don’t like and slag them off, or the Conte thread to say he‘s definitely leaving this time! Or the enic thread to say it’s ALL Levy’s fault for not signing Berahino all those years ago.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

It will end up as both being the same in both I fear. If you follow or had posted in both you will get confused as to which you are in and then it will snowball with other replies.

I can assure you it won't, IF we were to go to that trouble and have an alternate thread there won't be any tolerance and certainly none for anyone 'confused' as to which thread they are in. Pick one and use it appropriately, people can't have it both ways.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Tough one for you guys to deal with as the problem is with any instant reactions. Maybe alligator wrestling would be an easier task to take on this Monday

 

[slartibartfast]

Probably a unpopular opinion but I don't see the problem.
It doesnt matter what people vent. Let them vent.
They just look silly when it all turns around anyway.
In the grand scheme of things does it matter?
If people don't want to read it then dont read it.
I dont think it'll ever be the insightful, thoughtful Eutopia some want it to be.
Its a forum after all.
If someone posts something twatish just neg rate if you feel the need and move on.
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?
?

 

[allatsea]

Do the Mods really have the time to do more modding than they already do ? I would be surprised if they do. If not I suggest the idea mentioned earlier in this thread of not having a Match thread open during a match is the way forward.

 

[Yid-ol]

I think self-moderation works if there are consequences.

If you get x amount of people rating your posts badly, it removes your ability to post in match thread for example.

I guess the first step is identifying the problem and I don't think we've done that yet.

Is it a small number of idiots who we just need to find a mechanism to identify and remove?
Is it a majority of people? We can't ban everyone... (A&C, this one's for your benefit )
Is it less the people and more the situation? If the match thread wasn't so "live" and raw would that change how people post in it?
Is it only an issue when we play poorly or are the same people doing similar even without a good reason?

I think the first step is figuring out the problem.

I am hardly in the match thread, but the ones that have left, did they say why they left? Might be a good start from those points if they did.

To me I personally don't go into the match threads or players threads as the mood of the threads change in an instant and once it goes down it just spirals with everyone else doing the same. People need to be able to vent, I just think too many expect us to win ever game or play amazing football.

 

[King of the Lane]

I honestly don't know what the answer is. Are people being OTT and some what toxic with their reactions? Yes. Are some people way too sensitive to others rants? Also yes. We do need to limit the toxicity but it has to be without this place becoming a cult like COYS is where only constant positive comments are allowed or you are out. The end of the transfer window felt a little bit like that.

The majority of the time I try to steer clear of the match day threads because both sides become extremely childish and try and force their views on each other. The one part of the site I don't like though is when someone has a bad game and a poster runs instantly to their player thread to bump it just to be a dick.

I realise I haven't provided any solutions but I'm not sure there is one without taking people's free speech away.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I am hardly in the match thread, but the ones that have left, did they say why they left? Might be a good start from those points if they did.

Read the opening paragraph of the first post in this thread

 

[spids]

Do we even need a match thread? Much easier and informative ways to follow a game online.

 

[Guntz]

We do need to limit the toxicity but it has to be without this place becoming a cult like COYS is where only constant positive comments are allowed or you are out. The end of the transfer window felt a little bit like that.

This is what makes SC the best fansite. You are able to express your opinions - positive/negative.

It's nauseating reading the same negative comments over and over again. But it's also just as bad reading the forced positive ones.

 

[Yid-ol]

Read the opening paragraph of the first post in this thread

But atmosphere and people being OTT doesn't narrow it down to pinpoint a solution.

People will vent and react to the game, much like when at the game and I don't think we can/should stop that, but limit the amount it's being done.

I take it you can't limit the amount of posts in a thread? Or even during the game time? It might mean people don't post all the crap every one minute but take their time to post longer points and can see more of the game before jumping to knee jerk reactions?

 

[Rob]

It's nauseating reading the same negative comments over and over again. But it's also just as bad reading the forced positive ones.

This is where I'm at I think.

We absolutely won't go the way of COYS where everything is sanitised. But likewise, we don't want the constant toxicity either. You can be negative without being "toxic".

Afterall, I need somewhere to complain about how shit Winks is

 

[Rob]

But atmosphere and people being OTT doesn't narrow it down to pinpoint a solution.

People will vent and react to the game, much like when at the game and I don't think we can/should stop that, but limit the amount it's being done.

I take it you can't limit the amount of posts in a thread? Or even during the game time? It might mean people don't post all the crap every one minute but take their time to post longer points and can see more of the game before jumping to knee jerk reactions?

There are likely some technical options but we want to make sure they're targetting the right problem. Is it the constant raw/live stream of posts that's the issue?

 

[dudu]

I honestly don't know what the answer is. Are people being OTT and some what toxic with their reactions? Yes. Are some people way too sensitive to others rants? Also yes. We do need to limit the toxicity but it has to be without this place becoming a cult like COYS is where only constant positive comments are allowed or you are out. The end of the transfer window felt a little bit like that.

The majority of the time I try to steer clear of the match day threads because both sides become extremely childish and try and force their views on each other. The one part of the site I don't like though is when someone has a bad game and a poster runs instantly to their player thread to bump it just to be a dick.

I realise I haven't provided any solutions but I'm not sure there is one without taking people's free speech away.

Free speech is all well and good but there are people that pay a lot of money to run this site and if they are concerned about site members leaving because some are making it toxic then surely it is completely within their rights to police their forum as they see fit.

I don't want there to be only positive comments, but the relentlessness of some posters to make the same emotionally charged points in multiple threads regardless of what is being discussed has made it difficult to find anywhere to actually talk properly about spurs and football on the site anymore. Blocking posters isn't the answer either because it makes threads confusing and I like to hear what some of the posters have to say in non-spurs related threads.

The ratings thread used to be one of my favourite threads (I never thought I would miss BC ) but it just feels like unless we have won, there is no discussion to be had about football.

 

[al_pacino]

The match threads got too negative and moany for me so I don't bother, obviously watching the games helps too. (Ignoring the thread that is, not getting pissed at the performance).

There are a few that can't post anything other than something negative so they go on ignore. I clear the list every now and then but I think the same people go back on quite quickly.

As it's been mentioned as being overly positive I actually quit COYS(yes that's quit not got banned) because it was overly negative and I'm sure I wouldn't have been the only one doing it at the time.

 

[Japhet]

This is where I'm at I think.

We absolutely won't go the way of COYS where everything is sanitised. But likewise, we don't want the constant toxicity either. You can be negative without being "toxic".

Afterall, I need somewhere to complain about how shit Winks is

Why? You can join in with that in any thread on the entire forum.

 

[Legacy]

The problem with match threads isn't so much the negativity in itself. It's the relentless repetitive moaning every 90 seconds from a handful of people that seem to account for about 80% of posts in the threads.

Would it be possible to add a cooldown timer of about 5 minutes after each post? Or maybe add in a cooldown timer after one person hits a certain amount of posts in a certain amount of time?

This would force people to actually take a bit of time to think about whether what they want to say is actually worth saying, especially as it's likely someone else has already said it in a minute prior.

Would also mean instead of poster X making 5 posts to slag off players A,B,C,D and E individually, they can just slag them off in one post instead.

Alternatively, if we could have a separate "Ignore" list that only comes into affect for match threads, from the kick off time til around an hour after full time. So we see their posts around the rest of the forum, just not during the match.

 

[absolute bobbins]

How about a tweak to the site functionality so that this pops up if someone posts a torrent of bollocks? Maybe mandate users to provide a residential address too so they get it through the post also as a constant material reminder?

Whilst you joke, Twitter does do this.

 

[spursfan77]

Is it possible to make it so that you can only post every 5 minutes (for example) between posts?

So many posts (mine included) are reactionary. If people had a few minutes to evaluate what has happened, compose themselves and then post it might help.

I think if that happened then there wouldn't be so many off the cuff remarks and spamming of the thread.