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Milan to swap Huntelaar for Pavlyuchenko

Coyboy

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It's our choice, not fault necessarily. If he was good enough and showed enough will and ability to be better than what we have then he would get game time and get to a certain level of 'match fitness'. I thought he looked pretty poor yesterday other than one or two nice touches and would have got the odd goal but for good defending, but then that tells the story of his time here; good goal scorer, not very good at much else for the length of a game or appearance.
 

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I would love to see Pavlyuchenko get a little run in the side and be given a chance because I think he is potentially a better option than both Keane and Defoe. But only potentially, and therein lies the dilema.

I think he is a good finisher with both feet and head. With Crouch sharing the workload Pav could really feed off him and I think he finishes every bit as good as Keane and Defoe but is stronger than Defoe and braver than Keane.

I think both Keane and Defoe's overall team contribution is very over rated by many and Pav could do no worse than these two in terms of an overall contribution to the team dynamic and just might be better.

True.

PT is also correct, I watched the Germany/Russia match last night and he needs games.

Unfortunately, the truth is that it would be something of a coup to bring him to the Lane – as first choice striker. I really don’t think he would be any happier than Pav. to sit on the bench – but Keaen/Defoe/Crouch is working, so ‘Arry is well within his rights not to take it.

I’m certainly not one of the Keane knockers (Robbie Keaen has man-boobs:-O), but if ‘Arry could entice him to Lane, at the age he’s at, KJH would probably be a better option than Keano in the long run – but his confidence would appear to be shot, and he totally untried in the Prem so it would also be something of a risk.

Kraft is also right - at least while weare not in Europe, 4 top class strikers pretty much in there prime is something of a luxury. Having a young, hungry striker who is happy to sit on the bench, watch and learn and leap at any half-chance he gets with tremendous gratitude - that would seem to be the better option.
 

Son_Of

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rather get money if pav wants out. leaving us with keane, jd, crouch and gds. prob rather keep pav but can understand his frustration.
 

3Dnata

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The Bale + Pav = Hunts equation looks a shocking bit of business so it must just be press balls.
 

Adam456

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The Bale + Pav = Hunts equation looks a shocking bit of business so it must just be press balls.

Why anybody would think that Bale is going anywhere with Benny off to the ANC in Jan is beyond me - even if Naughton/Hutton can 'fill in' there

Can't see it would do much good to swap Pav and Hunt at this point. As others have said if Pav wants to go then take the money and have GDS as 4th.
 

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I think the only reason that anyone could possibly believe Bale is going anywhere is that Juventus and Inter are admirers. That is different to saying Dan Levy and 'Arry would be happy to do a deal.

And we need to be clear about something: Juve and Inter are admirers 'cos this kid is very highly rated indeed. We haven't seen anywhere near the best of him yet, but he can become, to borrow an 'Arryism', a 'top, top player'.
 

Adam456

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I think the only reason that anyone could possible believe Bale is going anywhere is that Juventus and Inter are admirers. That is different to saying Dan Levy and 'Arry would be happy to do a deal.

And we need to be clear about something: Juve and Inter are admirers 'cos this kid is very highly rated indeed. We haven't seen anywhere near the best of him yet, but he can become, to borrow an 'Arryism', a 'top, top player'.

Quite right
 

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I rather keep Pav to be honest despite Huntelaar having a better pedigree. Pav gives up a different option with his height and is a good alternative to Crouch. Huntelaar seems too similar to Defoe.
 

kcmei

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I rather keep Pav to be honest despite Huntelaar having a better pedigree. Pav gives up a different option with his height and is a good alternative to Crouch. Huntelaar seems too similar to Defoe.

pav is soooo very poor in the air considering his height
 

Hoowl

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Pavluychenko should be patient and think of the bigger picture...Yes the World Cups coming and he's being encouraged to seek pastures green else where, but I still think he can have a big future at THFC, we haven't seen his best just yet and If he can produce the kind of form shown in previous tournament playing for Russia, he'll be hard to replace.

It's going to be hard for Pavlyuchenko as Harry has personally brought in the other three strikers who are all proven premiership quality. I don't really see him becoming a first team regular.
 

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I think both Keane and Defoe's overall team contribution is very over rated by many and Pav could do no worse than these two in terms of an overall contribution to the team dynamic and just might be better.

He could and has done worse. There is no way I'd chose Pavlyuchenko to start over any of our other strikers at the moment.
 

Spurs_Bear

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He could and has done worse. There is no way I'd chose Pavlyuchenko to start over any of our other strikers at the moment.

Too right, yes BC may have a point in saying that some believe JD and Robbie to have higher work rates than what they actually have, but whatever they are, they are 3 times higher than Pav.

I like Pav and I think he would be an average player in Europe, but I don't see him being cut out for the Prem.
 

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WTFook:

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1784_5627893,00.html

Bale and Pav. for Huntelaar. Think (and hope) The Elfen One's agent is just being diplomatic and the headline is a bit of sensationalism. That's kinda how I read it: he could play in Itlay, and he would at some undefined time in the future like to play in Italy. Not quite the same as saying he is keen to play in Italy, as the headline says.
Surely, a player who cost £10 million and is one of the most highly rated young players in the Prem. and a £14 million International striker for one £16 million striker who AC seem keen to get shot of is just crazy talk!
 

Wsussexspur

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Hope we dont swap any players for Huntelaar, dont want him anymore as am happy with Defoe, Keane, Crouch and then if Pav leaves then maybe we could sign a striker who is happy to rotate and not play week in week out. I dont think Hunterlaar would be that happy if isn't one of the first choice strikers every week.
 

ultimateloner

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Hunt for Bale and Pav would be a good deal for us.

Bale and Pav showed signs of promise but neither lived up to expectation. They aren't even starting for us.

Hunt can play alone upfront and gives something different to our strike force. He also has a good CV.

I take track record over potential any day.
 

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Hunt for Bale and Pav would be a good deal for us.

Bale and Pav showed signs of promise but neither lived up to expectation. They aren't even starting for us.

Hunt can play alone upfront and gives something different to our strike force. He also has a good CV.

I take track record over potential any day.

Are you serious?

Bale hasn't been playing largely due to injury, and also due to the fact that BAE turned out to be a 'triffic' player (as I suggested he might). Bale is still very young and if Mourinho is keen on him, as well as AC, doesn't that suggest to you that he may just be actually like an incredibly exciting young prospect who has been injured. Oh, did I forget to mention we beat United to his signature - he is THAT highly rated.

As for Pav. - well, everyone else has said it. We could just about accept a like-for-like swap for Huntelaar, but Klaas Jan would be no happier sitting on the bench than Pav. and hasn't exactly set the world on light at either Real or AC. With Pav the main problem isn't anything he hasn't done, as 'Arry has made clear, it is more what JD, Keano and Crouch have done (in 'Arry's opinion, which is the one that matters.

To suggest that Bale and Pav would be a good swap for Huntelaar - well, quite frankly I am amazed:-|
 

SpurSince57

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Huntelaar may not be 'the cream' that WE need at WHL. Pav is settled in and, without doubt, a class performer, but the club do not seem to always recognize a class act? That is one of the fears that we, as fans, will have to accept, if we are to gain CL access....
However, we must accept that 'Arry knows what is what and where to go from here....which is not clear to me....in the least....but who gets the wage ha ha? COYS!

Really?

I have problems following the rest of this semi-literate drivel.
 

SpurSince57

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Are you serious?

Bale hasn't been playing largely due to injury, and also due to the fact that BAE turned out to be a 'triffic' player (as I suggested he might). Bale is still very young and if Mourinho is keen on him, as well as AC, doesn't that suggest to you that he may just be actually like an incredibly exciting young prospect who has been injured. Oh, did I forget to mention we beat United to his signature - he is THAT highly rated.

As for Pav. - well, everyone else has said it. We could just about accept a like-for-like swap for Huntelaar, but Klaas Jan would be no happier sitting on the bench than Pav. and hasn't exactly set the world on light at either Real or AC. With Pav the main problem isn't anything he hasn't done, as 'Arry has made clear, it is more what JD, Keano and Crouch have done (in 'Arry's opinion, which is the one that matters.

To suggest that Bale and Pav would be a good swap for Huntelaar - well, quite frankly I am amazed:-|

I'm not a huge fan, and in fact Huntelaar's probably best described as a superior version of Pav. No, I can't see him being willing to warm the bench either, and he's probably regretting that he didn't go to Stuttgart. Pav off in January, assuming we can find someone daft enough to pay us £14m (ONO).
 
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