New Stadium Details And Discussions

[nightgoat]

The suggestion that we have 48,000 people waiting on a list ready and willing to immediately commit to a season ticket at the first possible opportunity is absolute cobblers and a PR line spun by the club. We have 48,000 people who've paid the extra fiver a year or whatever it is to have a bronze membership, rather than a lilywhite one. Among the extra benefits of a bronze membership, are a free annual handbook, and the entitlement to a place on the season ticket waiting list. A significant number of those will have no interest in buying a season ticket, won't have the money, or in many cases won't even live in this country. It's a huge stretch of the truth to suggest we have 48,000 people waiting to buy a season ticket.

Just as well we're not building an 84k stadium then, isn't it.

Like you say, other than a place on the season ticket waiting list the benefits of bronze membership are a season review book, plus being able to buy a very limited number of tickets one day earlier (which, as a bronze member, I never bother with as it's even more infuriating than trying to get tickets on a Tuesday). Certainly not worth an extra £15 a year, so why else would anyone become a bronze member if they have absolutely no intention of buying a season ticket? Unless they're all stupid?

Sure, not everyone on that list will be able to buy a season ticket as and when they are offered one, for various reasons. But with the exception of maybe the first 1,000 on that list who might be able to get one in the next couple of years due to existing holders not renewing, everyone will know that they won't get a season ticket until we get a new stadium which won't be for at least three years, which is ample time to start saving up for one.

Even then, probably only the next 15-17,000 or so will end up being offered a season ticket.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

Just a snippett - on 27 June a Special Planning Meeting has been called.
http://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/ieListMeetings.aspx?CId=728&Year=2013

Its called a Special Planning Meeting as :

'A Special Planning Sub Committee Meetings are usually set up to deal with extra business on major applications when more time is needed'.

No gurantees its about NDP but....

Was fook all.

http://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=728&MId=6539&Ver=4

 

[Spursidol]

Was fook all.

http://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=728&MId=6539&Ver=4

But 10 MB of fook all

As it was supposed to be a Special Planning Meetinig, can you ask them to re-convene it and make it a special planning meeting for us !

 

[worcestersauce]

Sounds like we need another riot to get some momentum back into it.
To be honest naming rights sponsorship is always going to tricky where we are, imagine Qatar airways choice when its between us and the Olympic stadium for example, where would they rather have their corporate hospitality? No brainer really. Lets be honest they'd probably rather Watford than Tottenham, add to that harringay council is about as dynamic as a sickly sloth so I think we need a little patience and understanding on this one.

 

[Spur-of-the-moment]

Sounds like we need another riot to get some momentum back into it.
To be honest naming rights sponsorship is always going to tricky where we are, imagine Qatar airways choice when its between us and the Olympic stadium for example, where would they rather have their corporate hospitality? No brainer really. Lets be honest they'd probably rather Watford than Tottenham, add to that harringay council is about as dynamic as a sickly sloth so I think we need a little patience and understanding on this one.

That's a bit gloomy... but I think you might be mixing up the needs associated with naming rights and those associated with corporate hospitality.

For naming rights I'm not sure the precise location of the stadium is as important as the fact that the name will feed into the global commmunication networks associated with the massive profile of the English Premier League, the most watched league in the world. That's what naming rights sponsorship would pay for. Moreover, we are one of what is now being called the 'big six' group of clubs of the EPL. We are hot property. The design of the stadium will be important since sponsors will want us to make maximum impact on television. But location is of minimal importance. For example, who around the world cares precisely in what part of Munich the Allianz Arena is located?

Corporate hospitality is another matter. Of interest are the developments associated with the West Anglia line, which could put the City and Canary Wharf much closer to us via a fast, frequent service from Stratford.
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[Lilbaz]

Winning trophies and cl would also be a massive draw. If we want a 10-20 year naming rights deal we might be better waiting to see if we can get cl and win a trophy.

 

[chrissivad]

Winning trophies and cl would also be a massive draw. If we want a 10-20 year naming rights deal we might be better waiting to see if we can get cl and win a trophy.

I think we have been doing that the last two years. Deals for shirts have come late and im sure its because Levy wants to hold out to see if we can get a better deal with CL.

 

[playboypaul]

When that guy (cant remember his name) was appointed as chair of the Tottenham Landowners and Major Business Group just recently, I remember something in the statement he made referring to 'nearly £1b worth of funding in place'. Now is that money just for the regeneration of the local area or does it include monies that we have already allocated towards the stadium?

Does anyone know the break-down of that money? Its just that £1b seems to me to be a helluva lot of cash for regeneration with the stadium being excluded.

 

[Lilbaz]

Not too sure. I know that according to Borris they are investing £100m in transport alone. Have no idea if the stadium is included (£450m) but if it is then that leaves "only" £350m for the regeneration by the government.

 

[Lilbaz]

Don't know if this helps?

http://www.haringey.gov.uk/index/housing_and_planning/rebuildingtottenham.htm

Sorry at work so can't download the pdf.

 

[bigturnip]

Don't know if this helps?

http://www.haringey.gov.uk/index/housing_and_planning/rebuildingtottenham.htm

Sorry at work so can't download the pdf.

Been around for about a year, just a money wasting bit of PR. If the money which has been spent on pointless political spin like this over the last few years was actually spent on regeneration then the area might be in slightly better shape.

 

[Khilari]

Don't know if this helps?

http://www.haringey.gov.uk/index/housing_and_planning/rebuildingtottenham.htm

Sorry at work so can't download the pdf.

Thanks
Essentially says work was to commence Autumn 2012, stadium completed around Summer 2016!

 

[chrissivad]

From Edmonton on COYS

There was some interesting stuff in the Chancellor's announcements today, the Mayor is going to be able to deliver a £500m borrowing guarantee to regenerate Tottenham, primarily housing and transport. Not as good as the grants the scum got but might help get things moving. In the detail the Mayor is also taking over the line through White Hart Lane so the new station seems finally in the bag.

Don't think this funding guarantee will have any direct impact on the stadium as everywhere in europe except Stratford this would count as state aid to a football club.

http://www.londonrec...chise-devolved/

Unprecedented 6 year capital & borrowing package for Transport for London secures long-term transport investment until the end of the decade;

• Secure capital funding of around a billion pounds a year, indexed linked, from 2015-2021;
• In addition guaranteed borrowing set at £600million+ annually from 2015-2021;

The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, has welcomed a long-term funding settlement to support investment until the end of the decade into major transport infrastructure across the capital that will deliver economic growth, homes and jobs.
Responding to the Mayor’s call in his 2020 Vision for a secure and continuous investment in transport, the Chancellor today confirmed an unprecedented 6 year settlement for Transport for London from 2015-2021. The capital funding commitment begins with an investment grant of £925m in 2015/16 rising to £1,007m in 2020/21, alongside annual borrowing limits of £600m+ to finance capital investment into transport infrastructure.
This funding package will enable the continuation of Tube upgrades, investment into roads and cycling as well as improvements to bus, DLR, London Overground and Tramlink networks. It will also critically enable the delivery of a series of vital transport projects which the Mayor has called for to support regeneration and jobs as well as greater devolved rail powers.
In addition to the long-term revenue settlement the Mayor has secured the following commitments from the Chancellor and the Secretary of State for Transport:

• West Anglia suburban rail services to be devolved to the Mayor and Transport for London;
• A £500m borrowing guarantee to support housing and transport infrastructure in Tottenham;
• A £90m commitment to carry out electrification of the Gospel Oak to Barking overground line, as a first step towards the extension of the line to Barking Riverside, unlocking thousands of homes;
• An initial commitment from Government to Crossrail 2 of £2m for feasibility studies into the vital north south rail link.

The Mayor has welcomed the Chancellor’s commitment to examine the findings of the London Finance Commission which has outlined the case for greater revenue raising powers for the capital.
The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, said: ‘Today’s announcement shows that the Government recognises the vital importance of continued investment into London, representing good news not just for Londoners, but for the wider UK economy, the capital’s being a key driver of growth across the country. As I have outlined in my 2020 Vision, to cope with expected population expansion, London needs sustained investment to keep the city moving and to build its economy. This settlement gives us a far greater level of financial certainty in line with measures we have lobbied for and to deliver vital infrastructure. I am pleased to also welcome specific commitments to a series of projects set to trigger significant development and regeneration in areas that need it most, helping to unleash the delivery of homes and jobs.
‘Transport for London will continue to drive its major programme of efficiencies and savings to demonstrate value for the taxpayer. We are confident that this can be achieved without compromising the priority projects London so urgently needs.’
The Mayor has already committed to Transport for London efficiencies totalling £9.8bn to 2017/18. Savings are being achieved through a variety of ways including more efficient ways of working, better maintenance practices, competitive tendering of the bus network, the re-let of the congestion charge contract, cuts in marketing spend and the disposal of property assets. Today’s confirmed Government grant settlement for 2015-16, when all funding streams for this period are taken into account, represents a reduction of support for Transport for London of 8.5 per cent. The Government reduction to TfL’s transport grant by £222m works out as 2.2 per cent less in TfL’s total capital and revenue budget based on 2013/14, and is the result of successful negotiation by the Mayor to protect the best possible transport settlement for Londoners in terms of value for money.
Today’s announcement will give the Mayor the ability to progress his ambitious regeneration plans in Tottenham with the aim of delivering around 10,000 new homes and 5,000 new jobs in the area. Working with Haringey Council, the Mayor will now develop proposals to bring forward an ambitious programme of housing delivery and regeneration, job creation initiatives, transport infrastructure and public realm projects amounting to investment in the region of £500m thanks to today’s ‘guarantee’. This would include improvements to train services and stations between Stansted, Liverpool Street and Stratford.

 

[playboypaul]

Edmonton says that the other lot got a bigger grant then us. I don't see us getting a grant here at all. There is a guarantee that there will be £500m worth of investment in the local area and improvements to local train services. There isn't anything there about a grant for us.

What exactly did them lot get? I would be pretty peeved if I was General Levy and knew that they got a grant to help build their stadium while we didn't.

Does he mean that there was a bigger grant to help regenerate their local area? Did their local area even get regenerated?

 

[talkshowhost86]

Every time I hear an update on the stadium it sounds further and further away.

Even this update which should be positive, seems to suggest we're some way from having everything sorted.

 

[The Watcher]

Edmonton says that the other lot got a bigger grant then us. I don't see us getting a grant here at all. There is a guarantee that there will be £500m worth of investment in the local area and improvements to local train services. There isn't anything there about a grant for us.

What exactly did them lot get? I would be pretty peeved if I was General Levy and knew that they got a grant to help build their stadium while we didn't.

Does he mean that there was a bigger grant to help regenerate their local area? Did their local area even get regenerated?

That was in the days of New Labour silly spending, that's long gone now mate. Almost certain the Scum's grant was for their stadium and perhaps an upgrade for the train service, as the area around is fairly affluent and didn't require much spending did it?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

http://www.building.co.uk/5057015.article?origin=bldgbreakingnewsletter

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

http://www.building.co.uk/5057015.article?origin=bldgbreakingnewsletter

Is anybody registered so that the article can be posted?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Government to underwrite £500m investment in Tottenham
27 June 2013 | By Allister Hayman

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Treasury agrees to guarantee massive regeneration programme across Haringey, including Tottenham’s new stadium project

The government has agreed to provide a £500m guarantee for a massive regeneration plan across the Tottenham area of London, which includesTottenham Hotspurs’ new stadium development.
The move to underwrite the Tottenham regeneration plan through the UK Guarantees scheme, revealed in documents published alongside the spending review announcement on infrastructure today, will see the government guarantee Haringey council’s plans to embark on a major regeneration programme across the borough.
Haringey council said Treasury’s commitment meant the council and the Greater London Authority, in partnership with the private sector, could now press ahead with financial security for its plans to transform the area, which include thousands of new homes and jobs as well as better transport links, leisure facilities and business workspace.
The council said £1bn of investment was already committed to the regeneration programme, which comprises a range of different projects across the borough, including Tottenham Hotspur’s £400m stadium development plans, known as the Northumberland Development Project.
Haringey council leader Claire Kober said: “I am delighted that Haringey council’s ambitious regeneration plans for Tottenham have now been given secure financial backing by the government.
“Today’s £500m guarantee means we can now get on with the task of bringing up to 10,000 new high-quality homes and more than 5,000 new jobs to Tottenham with confidence, giving better opportunities to local people.”
“We’re well on our way to bringing change to this community, but today’s announcement means we can step up and truly transform Tottenham.”
The UK Guarantee for Tottenham’s regeneration follows earlier guarantees to the £225m project to convert half of the Drax coal-fired power station into biomass, and a further guarantee for the Northern Line extension to Battersea Power Station.
Today Treasury secretary Danny Alexander also announced that the £10bn Hinkley nuclear power project was eligible for a “multi-billion pound” UK Guarantee, as well as the £600m Mersey gateway bridge project, which will be underwritten by up to £500m.
The UK Guarantee scheme was launched July 2012 in a bid to accelerate up to £40bn worth of major infrastructure projects.
Today Alexander also said the government would extend the life of the UK Guarantee programme by two years to 2016.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I have read over and over that "Arsenal got a grant to build their stadium." I think it's one of those false facts that has become accepted through repetition. Unless someone can show me some evidence, I'm going to continue to think it never happened. I have been living in Islington since 2000 and I keep an eye on this kind of thing, so I'd be surprised if they had piles of subsidy and I never noticed.

There was public money in the overall development, but it was in the form of grant given to Newlon Housing Trust to build the affordable housing. That enabled Newlon to pay Arsenal a higher price for the affordable housing, so it did help to fund the wider stadium development, in the sense that Arsenal lost less money subsidising the affordable housing than they otherwise would have done.

By contrast, we have managed to avoid providing affordable housing on site at all. One reason is that there are no longer any capital grants available to build affordable housing, when it is constructed as part of a larger private development. The housing association therefore pays far less to the developer, which was one factor making the NDP less viable.