Newcastle Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[danielneeds]

Yeah, but we are going to have an off day here or there - for whatever reason.

The better we do the higher expectations rise.

But that's what I mean, our off days came at crucial moments - when you need a bit of experience to raise the intensity and mood.

 

[Hercules]

This article actually mentions that Pochettino didn't ask for transfer assurances during negotiations:

http://www.espnfc.com/tottenham-hot...ottenham-role-hasnt-changed-despite-new-title

Not wise of him, if true.

And you really believe that? Yeh right.

 

[Mr Pink]

But that's what I mean, our off days came at crucial moments - when you need a bit of experience to raise the intensity and mood.

Well for me, they didn't just come at crucial moments - it was a mixed bag IMHO. Games against Stoke, Everton twice and many others saw us drop points we really shouldn't of been, certainly not as many as we did given the overall level of performance over these games. Sure you drop points when you play well, it happens, but some of the points dropped in these games were just as crucial. In fact you could argue that would of taken some of the pressure off come the run in had we been better positioned.

 

[danielneeds]

This article actually mentions that Pochettino didn't ask for transfer assurances during negotiations:

http://www.espnfc.com/tottenham-hot...ottenham-role-hasnt-changed-despite-new-title

Not wise of him, if true.

What assurances should he ask for? You can't ask that certain players have to be signed - cos who knows if a City or Chelsea come in with ridiculous money. Should he ask for a guaranteed "war chest"? I don't think we operate that way, that there is a set amount for transfers.

What makes Poch so ideal for the club is that he's prepared to work in the financial realities of the club, and in many ways he relishes having to work smarter to get more from recruitment.

 

[Ironskullll]

Thanks for correcting me. I don't understand why that was so. I think that the following are going to be shown the door:
Trippier, Davis, Mason, Carroll, Bentaleb, Chadli.

Wow! How many signings would you expect then?

 

[dagraham]

He's going to make them suffer like never before in pre-season. Seriously, they are going to hell in a bib.

Gonna need more than just being a PE teacher in a bad mood though.

Hopefully one of the things he learned from Fergie was different ways to get in the players heads.

Maybe one of the issues is the squad isn't deep enough and he doesn't trust enough of the fringe players. Giving players the hook if they are not performing or dropping players is all part of it.

 

[danielneeds]

Well for me, they didn't just come at crucial moments - it was a mixed bag IMHO. Games against Stoke, Everton twice and many others saw us drop points we really shouldn't of been, certainly not as many as we did given the overall level of performance over these games. Sure you drop points when you play well, it happens, but some of the points dropped in these games were just as crucial. In fact you could argue that would of taken some of the pressure off come the run in had we been better positioned.

The games earlier in the season we were still coming into our own though - confidence wise and tactically. In football as in life there are moments when you have to seize the moment if you want success - and we fell short this year. No shame in that, it hurts now, we just have to hope Poch can harness this pain and focus it.

This isn't a disaster like lasagne-gate or Chelsea winning the CL. Those final days set us back as a club, and played a part in our fortunes suffering afterwards. This means naff all apart from the fans having to suffer some mocking for a few weeks - as long as learn from it that is...

 

[TH1239]

What assurances should he ask for? You can't ask that certain players have to be signed - cos who knows if a City or Chelsea come in with ridiculous money. Should he ask for a guaranteed "war chest"? I don't think we operate that way, that there is a set amount for transfers.

What makes Poch so ideal for the club is that he's prepared to work in the financial realities of the club, and in many ways he relishes having to work smarter to to get more from recruitment.

How about he ask that most of the new revenues coming into the club be put back into the squad? There is 55 million pounds of NEW revenue coming from the television deal that every other team in the league will spend on their squads. There is 35 million pounds of Champions League cash coming to the club, too. It'd be fucking ludicrous for Pochettino to have to take a squad into the Champions league with a sell to buy only strategy that Levy has been employing for the entire decade.

It's in Pochettino's interest to extract every last thing from Levy in negotiations. His position depends on it. Just look at Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez. Martinez earned more points at Everton two seasons ago than Poch did this season. He got little to no investment from his ownership and now he is a laughingstock and will struggle to get a decent job in football any time soon. Rodgers had a far better season than Pochettino two seasons ago and due to numerous transfer dealing failures, massive injuries, and strengthening of other clubs, he too is unemployed and damaged goods as a manager.

 

[Sweetsman]

Wow! How many signings would you expect then?

I think that players will be promoted, but I expect about four players, at least: one striker, defensive and creative midfielders, and at least one defender/full back.

 

[danielneeds]

Gonna need more than just being a PE teacher in a bad mood though.

Hopefully one of the things he learned from Fergie was different ways to get in the players heads.

Maybe one of the issues is the squad isn't deep enough and he doesn't trust enough of the fringe players. Giving players the hook if they are not performing or dropping players is all part of it.

Sure beasting them is not the only response that is needed. But I do think there will have to be consequences...

 

[danielneeds]

How about he ask that most of the new revenues coming into the club be put back into the squad? There is 55 million pounds of NEW revenue coming from the television deal that every other team in the league will spend on their squads. There is 35 million pounds of Champions League cash coming to the club, too. It'd be fucking ludicrous for Pochettino to have to take a squad into the Champions league with a sell to buy only strategy that Levy has been employing for the entire decade.

It's in Pochettino's interest to extract every last thing from Levy in negotiations. His position depends on it. Just look at Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez. Martinez earned more points at Everton two seasons ago than Poch did this season. He got little to no investment from his ownership and now he is a laughingstock and will struggle to get a decent job in football any time soon. Rodgers had a far better season than Pochettino two seasons ago and due to numerous transfer dealing failures, massive injuries, and strengthening of other clubs, he too is unemployed and damaged goods as a manager.

Er Martinez got Lukaku - backing that no other Everton boss has ever had. Rodgers spent all the Suarez cash and more. Money isn't the be all and end all. Sure we should have a bit more cash this summer than before, the basic ethos of Poch and the club is that we make and develop stars we don't buy them ready made.

 

[Sweetsman]

How about he ask that most of the new revenues coming into the club be put back into the squad? There is 55 million pounds of NEW revenue coming from the television deal that every other team in the league will spend on their squads. There is 35 million pounds of Champions League cash coming to the club, too. It'd be fucking ludicrous for Pochettino to have to take a squad into the Champions league with a sell to buy only strategy that Levy has been employing for the entire decade.

It's in Pochettino's interest to extract every last thing from Levy in negotiations. His position depends on it. Just look at Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez. Martinez earned more points at Everton two seasons ago than Poch did this season. He got little to no investment from his ownership and now he is a laughingstock and will struggle to get a decent job in football any time soon. Rodgers had a far better season than Pochettino two seasons ago and due to numerous transfer dealing failures, massive injuries, and strengthening of other clubs, he too is unemployed and damaged goods as a manager.

I don't remember Everton ending up above us. Both those managers have deep flaws in the way they organise teams. Liverpool had Suarez, who has just become top scorer and beaten both Messi and Ronaldo. Some of the new revenue will go towards the stadium.

 

[Trees]

Is there any other team in world football that makes their fans go through as much shit as Spurs?

Newcastle haha

 

[worcestersauce]

Do we? I'd say we are about the same as we have been for the last 5-6 years. We might gain or drop a position or two every year but in the end it means nothing. No titles.

Yes 3rd and not happy about it is not a situation we have been anywhere near for nigh on thirty years and it is not an accident.

 

[Mr Pink]

The games earlier in the season we were still coming into our own though - confidence wise and tactically. In football as in life there are moments when you have to seize the moment if you want success - and we fell short this year. No shame in that, it hurts now, we just have to hope Poch can harness this pain and focus it.

This isn't a disaster like lasagne-gate or Chelsea winning the CL. Those final days set us back as a club, and played a part in our fortunes suffering afterwards. This means naff all apart from the fans having to suffer some mocking for a fee weeks - as long as learn from it that is...

Games like Everton away where after Christmas IIRC. Anyway, its still been a very good season overall. Providing Poch learns from the poor end to the season, we look to be in great shape for the future.

 

[rossdapep]

The games earlier in the season we were still coming into our own though - confidence wise and tactically. In football as in life there are moments when you have to seize the moment if you want success - and we fell short this year. No shame in that, it hurts now, we just have to hope Poch can harness this pain and focus it.

This isn't a disaster like lasagne-gate or Chelsea winning the CL. Those final days set us back as a club, and played a part in our fortunes suffering afterwards. This means naff all apart from the fans having to suffer some mocking for a fee weeks - as long as learn from it that is...

I think you are right, most of us are hurting badly right now as we thought that we'd finally get over that long ass hill, I still think we will with the right recruitment and if Poch can tap into that mentality. The positive aspect is that it does seem that Poch has identified exactly what the issue is here, whereas previous managers would be satisfied with the season despite us capitulating (one way or another). In previous years there was obviously a lack of trust on Levy's part with the manager, whereas now it's clear he completely trusts this guy (or as good as it'll ever get for him). I'll be very surprised if we falter away like we have done in the past, it'll be tougher next year but with the right preparation and recruitment we can hang-in there again.

Arsene will feel he has been vindicated with his decisions and will continue to trust his players who constantly let him down because let's face it they've been so mediocre this season, despite this apparently being their best chance. They can gloat all they like, anyone of them who admits it's been a good season for them is in denial, and like you say it shows the small mentality they have. I remember many years ago my goon cousin said to me that they don't care about us, we are insignificant, that they are celebrating above us tells you something, it's an achievement to them and I think it'll be the last one!

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Can anyone point me in the direction of Poch's reaction to this please? I've seen a couple of post hinting that he wasn't happy and would like to see/hear or read what it was that he said. ta!

 

[worcestersauce]

The games earlier in the season we were still coming into our own though - confidence wise and tactically. In football as in life there are moments when you have to seize the moment if you want success - and we fell short this year. No shame in that, it hurts now, we just have to hope Poch can harness this pain and focus it.

This isn't a disaster like lasagne-gate or Chelsea winning the CL. Those final days set us back as a club, and played a part in our fortunes suffering afterwards. This means naff all apart from the fans having to suffer some mocking for a few weeks - as long as learn from it that is...

Agree with this! Losing CL place to Chelsea almost finished me, I lost hope after that, it was devastating and as you say it hurt the club too.
This is a painful experience but still leaves me optimistic, as I've posted before, fuck Arsenal.

 

[rossdapep]

This article actually mentions that Pochettino didn't ask for transfer assurances during negotiations:

http://www.espnfc.com/tottenham-hot...ottenham-role-hasnt-changed-despite-new-title

Not wise of him, if true.

He's hardly gunna come out and say "I demanded a 50m striker, 3 new mids and a cb" really is he?

I know you're just quoting the report, so that's not aimed at you.

He absolutely would have wanted to know if Levy will give him the resources he believes he needs, whether Levy will or not is another matter.

 

[rossdapep]

Can anyone point me in the direction of Poch's reaction to this please? I've seen a couple of post hinting that he wasn't happy and would like to see/hear or read what it was that he said. ta!

http://www.skysports.com/football/newcastle-vs-tottenham/341561

is post match interview is about half way down the page.