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[djhotspur]

Sorry but it's just not an excuse in 2023 with size of our squad and the number of attacking players we have to say that missing 3 players (and not necessarily even all at the same time) has such an impact.

Especially for a guy who is feted for having such a system. It simply shouldn't completely break down every other game and serve up such turgid crap

If every player was well coached to pass the ball and move then we wouldn't be reliant on little bits of magic from a few elite players

And as many have said many times, if we didn't sit back and constantly invite pressure then we wouldn't look so bad in defence and keep conceding awful goals

It really is as simple as that

I mean for Liverpool we had 1 fit attacker and that was Kane.

 

[piedpiper]

He clearly was considered, I think what’s crazy is that Levy didn’t deem him good enough.

Yeah was under rated and so many posters pointed to Ajax's capitulation against us as reason to not appoint him. But even more insane that our hierarchy turned their noses up at the opportunity to hire him.

 

[mattyzb]

Recently just watched the Ajax semis and they could of beaten us by 5 or 6. We were so lucky those games. It should of been ten Haag was only logical appointment at the time . Big balls up

 

[DiVaio]

Recently just watched the Ajax semis and they could of beaten us by 5 or 6. We were so lucky those games. It should of been ten Haag was only logical appointment at the time . Big balls up

In that Ajax semi when we had 4.2 expected goals to 1.6 xG for Ajax?

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Wasn’t there some talk at the time about Ten Hag prepared to come on his own, no demand for backroom staff to follow him. You look back and he was the outstanding choice for the bigger picture, someone to instil a structure, but for whatever reason we went with Nuno, and when that went wrong went with Conte as he was big name and available. In reality that worked for last season, but it never felt like a long term plan.
We have to get it right this time, the consistent spell under Poch was the best I’ve seen during my years watching, but the churn of quick fix managers since has left us just drifting aimlessly.
We need a plan of how we want to move forward, and then a manager to make that work.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

In that Ajax semi when we had 4.2 expected goals to 1.6 xG for Ajax?

Good example of how xG is often a nonsensical stat that doesn’t always give a true representation of a game.

 

[DiVaio]

Good example of how xG is often a nonsensical stat that doesn’t always give a true representation of a game.

We were better in literally every stat. It's definitely closer to give a true representation of a game than saying they could beat us by 5 goals

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Good example of how xG is often a nonsensical stat that doesn’t always give a true representation of a game.

or just how you seem to perceive it

 

[mill]

Wasn’t there some talk at the time about Ten Hag prepared to come on his own, no demand for backroom staff to follow him. You look back and he was the outstanding choice for the bigger picture, someone to instil a structure, but for whatever reason we went with Nuno, and when that went wrong went with Conte as he was big name and available. In reality that worked for last season, but it never felt like a long term plan.
We have to get it right this time, the consistent spell under Poch was the best I’ve seen during my years watching, but the churn of quick fix managers since has left us just drifting aimlessly.
We need a plan of how we want to move forward, and then a manager to make that work.

We need the next Poch, move forward

 

[Adam456]

We don't need CB backup, we need 2 starters, along with a keeper and another attacking option for the right.

This the thing though. At various points, 2nd half of last season and the start of this people were happy with Dier and Davies because we weren't conceding so often. Saying we needed backup for Dier and perhaps competition for Davies (meanwhile, btw, allowing Romero the odd error because he is Romero and a bit younger). Now we are all over the place again the same players are crap and need replacing. Nothing to do with the manager and the style of play, apparently

 

[nedley]

I know we've had ITK stating that Conte will leave in the summer but part of me still has hope that he'll stay on and sign a new deal.

Hes constantly talked about needing time and several transfer windows to build a legacy so why after a few bad results do the media basically terminate his contract for us? His press conferences have always been a tool he uses to put pressure on the higher ups and players so I'm sure the media just like making headlines from them and don't like the fact that spurs can have a manager of his stature.

Basically what I'm saying is if he's always been calling for time to get things right then why the sudden change to wanting to walk in the summer.

If its due to family and personal reasons then I understand. If its due to footballing reasons then I'd be surprised because he seems to be passionate about managing the club.

Politics.

 

[mr ashley]

This the thing though. At various points, 2nd half of last season and the start of this people were happy with Dier and Davies because we weren't conceding so often. Saying we needed backup for Dier and perhaps competition for Davies (meanwhile, btw, allowing Romero the odd error because he is Romero and a bit younger). Now we are all over the place again the same players are crap and need replacing. Nothing to do with the manager and the style of play, apparently

Can it be called me red to the drop in form from these players?
Caused by a greater frequency of games (as was as other variables)

Regardless, dier has always been a passive defender and Davies has always struggled with the quality of his passing
So whilst the uptick in form last season was great it’s no great shock that their level has dipped back to expected levels.
It’s frustrating that conte hasn’t been able to improve dier though.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Lot of impressive stuff in here about the type of manager we need...more of a long term project man with an emphasis on attack.

Good stuff, but if said perfect manager arrives and serves up 5-6 defeats on the trot...he's toast.

 

[McFlash]

This the thing though. At various points, 2nd half of last season and the start of this people were happy with Dier and Davies because we weren't conceding so often. Saying we needed backup for Dier and perhaps competition for Davies (meanwhile, btw, allowing Romero the odd error because he is Romero and a bit younger). Now we are all over the place again the same players are crap and need replacing. Nothing to do with the manager and the style of play, apparently

Dier and Davies' careers have followed a similar pattern though, periods of looking more than capable and periods of looking terrible.
When they are at their best, they can be very dependable but they don't seem to be able to keep a constant high level and when one mistake happens, their form drops dramatically and takes too long to recover.

For me, they are more than capable back ups but we need more reliable and talented first teamers at CB, players with more to their game than just being a solid pro.

It's easy to blame Conte, especially if you're not a fan of his but this isn't an issue that's been seen solely during his tenure.

 

[G Ron]

Good example of how xG is often a nonsensical stat that doesn’t always give a true representation of a game.

Exactly. Load of bollocks half the time.

I remember our woodwork getting a battering and we were just hanging in there. Our eyes are a better measure than any statistics

 

[DiVaio]

Exactly. Load of bollocks half the time.

I remember our woodwork getting a battering and we were just hanging in there. Our eyes are a better measure than any statistics

They hit woodwork 1 time. We did it 2 times also from better chances.

 

[mr ashley]

Exactly. Load of bollocks half the time.

I remember our woodwork getting a battering and we were just hanging in there. Our eyes are a better measure than any statistics

From memory we rode our luck in the first leg, and in the first half of the second leg. It was only after an inspiring half time speech from Harry Kane that we began to dominate.
seem to remember us missing a sitter at some point but I think that led to the second goal from Lucas.

 

[McFlash]

From memory we rode our luck in the first leg, and in the first half of the second leg. It was only after an inspiring half time speech from Harry Kane that we began to dominate.
seem to remember us missing a sitter at some point but I think that led to the second goal from Lucas.

Agree with that.
I don't remember us dominating both legs and there was a time I thought we were going out.
That second half was incredible but also pretty bloody lucky.
Again, from memory, that summed up our run in the tournament - lucky, especially when compared with our league form.

 

[mr ashley]

Agree with that.
I don't remember us dominating both legs and there was a time I thought we were going out.
That second half was incredible but also pretty bloody lucky.
Again, from memory, that summed up our run in the tournament - lucky, especially when compared with our league form.

We were lucky v psv and inter as well as at the camp nou
We were lucky v Man City in both legs
The only game when luck was not on our side was the final.
Not having any XG argument challenge that.

Anyway, back to the next manager chat

 

[Japhet]

This the thing though. At various points, 2nd half of last season and the start of this people were happy with Dier and Davies because we weren't conceding so often. Saying we needed backup for Dier and perhaps competition for Davies (meanwhile, btw, allowing Romero the odd error because he is Romero and a bit younger). Now we are all over the place again the same players are crap and need replacing. Nothing to do with the manager and the style of play, apparently

Or opponents knowing exactly how we will set up and play, and then have all week to prepare for it. So many teams seem to have worked out how to play us now, and that's no surprise because there are hours and hours of exactly the same stuff from us for them to use in prep.