Next Manager Watch

[Albertbarich]

Note that Tuchel has taken the Bayern job at this stage so there is hope that we can get someone in now rather than the summer.

 

[Hawkey77]

Think we need to take seriously whether JN would rather:
- wait till the summer and see where spurs are, what happens at Madrid/Chelsea etc then make a choice.
OR
- sign for spurs now not knowing if they’ll be in UCL and whether Kane will be there next season

Whilst I’d love him to join now, I think the ‘long shot’ we were trying to pull off was Tuchel, and now we’ll get Mason in till summer, working in the meantime on what we can do to convince JN to join in the summer.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Think we need to take seriously whether JN would rather:
- wait till the summer and see where spurs are, what happens at Madrid/Chelsea etc then make a choice.
OR
- sign for spurs now not knowing if they’ll be in UCL and whether Kane will be there next season

Whilst I’d love him to join now, I think the ‘long shot’ we were trying to pull off was Tuchel, and now we’ll get Mason in till summer, working in the meantime on what we can do to convince JN to join in the summer.

Honestly, if it takes that much convincing - it’s probably the wrong choice.

 

[Hawkey77]

Honestly, if it takes that much convincing - it’s probably the wrong choice.

Not sure that’s the case…it’s not an emotional decision for him like it is us. I wouldn’t jump at a job at another company if they were seemingly in disarray, just because they wanted me now and there were lots of people who were fans of that company. I’d probably wait until the job market opened up and I knew I’d have the pick of some of the biggest companies out there.

Stripping the emotion out, I’m fairly confident he’s be great for us…but objectively would we be great for him? Recent evidence would suggest not…

 

[talkshowhost86]

Nagelsmann has to be our top priority now.

Obviously if there is no interest from him then don't fanny about trying to change things, but if there's a hint that he's interested he must go to the top of the list.

I still think there's more chance we'll get David O'Leary than JN...but wouldn't it just be lovely?

 

[Hotspur33]

A lot of teams have under performed though this season. Even City are and fucking arsenal are sitting top like Leicester did once. The world cup has had an impact for certain. I think its harsh to sack a manager off a season like this when his team are still doing well. It's completely irrelevant to compare points this season to last. Will City hit near 100 points this time around? I doubt it.

You speak a lot of sense. In reality, to sack Conte is a bit bonkers, given the season he has had personally. But I guess, if he has decided he has had enough then there really is no choice.
This season hasn’t been great, but could very well still yield a better finish than Klopp or Arteta’s worst finishes.

 

[Jamturk]

I still think we will be looking for someone with Premier league experience.

 

[Johnny J]

You speak a lot of sense. In reality, to sack Conte is a bit bonkers, given the season he has had personally. But I guess, if he has decided he has had enough then there really is no choice.
This season hasn’t been great, but could very well still yield a better finish than Klopp or Arteta’s worst finishes.

Reality is that the results aren't what will get Conte the sack, just like they weren't for AVB and some others. No manager will last long at Spurs with this style of football unless they're literally winning trophies every season. And I totally get that. We need to be true to our values; if we aren't, who even are we?

 

[Japhet]

I don't think Chelsea are going to sack Potter simply because Nagelsmann is on the market.

Boehly's staked so much of his reputation on Potter succeeding and he's finally got them on a decent(ish) run of form - I just don't see him pulling the plug now.

I could see Chelsea going for him in the summer if Potter has a bad end to the season but I'd be very surprised if they went for him right away.

I wouldn't put anything past Boehly. Bloke can't stop waving his dick around.

 

[Dakes]

I still think we will be looking for someone with Premier league experience.

You're thinking Patrick Viera aren't you?

 

[HotSprut]

Levy, make it happen! (I still want you gone, but a bit less intensely)

 

[Derryank]

Nigel's our man

 

[Timberwolf]

I still think we will be looking for someone with Premier league experience.

The more I think about it, the more I think PL experience is overrated.

Klopp, Pep, Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Conte, Ancelotti - basically all of the top managers in PL history arrived from other leagues with no experience of English football.

I think the main thing that holds foreign managers back is when they can't speak the language and effectively communicate with the players. Beyond that it's simply a matter of "are they a good enough coach".

 

[lillywhite]

I'm working as a video-producer on swedish television covering Champions League, and two weeks ago we did a feature on Nagelsmann.

RB Leipzig-player Emil Forsberg said: "Tactically, he's one of the best managers in the world. We reached another level of tactical awareness.
Before him, we only played "gegenpressen" and counter-football, but with Julian we learned how to control games and dominate opposition. It was really fun!"

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The more I think about it, the more I think PL experience is overrated.

Klopp, Pep, Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Conte, Ancelotti - basically all of the top managers in PL history arrived from other leagues with no experience of English football.

I think the main thing that holds foreign managers back is when they can't speak the language and effectively communicate with the players. Beyond that it's simply a matter of "are they a good enough coach".

Completely. If we could end up with Nagelsmann, it would be better than we could possibly hope.

Young, progressive, hungry, talented - he'd be ideal.

Whether he'd come is another matter

 

[Gassin's finest]

 

[Stavrogin]

I keep seeing variations on the idea that the next manager needs to be given time. And quite right too, the trouble is, we don't do that as a club or on here do we. Not really. The idea of being given 'time' is roughly a third to a half a season before the footballing intelligentsia on here start bitching that he's had enough time and we should be doing this or that. We need to change that. Half a season, one season, a season and a half, that's not being given time, a genuine process and philosophy that's also backed up with action by the owners will take longer than that and if it comes sooner, that's great. We need to understand this and it needs to be reflected in how we react when things go sour from time to time.

Whoever the next patsy is will, as usual, divide SC to the point where each match thread and the manager watch thread, will yo-yo with toxicity and support, a constant stream of "see I was right" posts from each side depending on every result and people so entrenched and invested in having been right to begin with that the place will be a festering pit of dissatisfaction, vitriol and spite toward each other, the players and the manager. We need to change that too.

Meh, the disciples of the knee will read this and think fuck you you silly old twat

What a fucking grand waste of time this post has been

By the same token, will you bastard sons of DL's cuckolds show the same compassion and patience and gentle caresses to your bete noire?

When the football and results went unexpectedly badly this season people turned on Levy almost immediately, even though he'd appointed a top manager and had provided significant backing - with the promise of more to come; as Conte repeatedly said, this was a long process requiring many transfer windows.

The hatred towards Levy was a massive contributer to so many people turning againt Conte, because it created an atmosphere of crisis when there shouldn't have been one; and naturally people would start to think that Conte was part of the problem. Given the mad febrile atmosphere an underperforming Conte had no chance.

I'm not saying you have to love Levy, just live your best Levy life.

 

[Yantino]

The playing philosophy of the coach and his ability to work with what he's given and our youth talent is more important than needing to be Premier League experienced IMO.

 

[olliec]

IMHO the point of questioning Nagelsman is that Bayern are THE team in Germany and they typically outspend other teams in Germany, they have won the Bundesliga for the last ten years and if he struggles to win in that situation how the hell is he expected to succeed with us?

There are a lot of people on SC saying we should never have hired Jose or Conte because they need money to succeed, so we are now flirting with a manager who has money but is struggling to succeed at the top club in his country, makes no sense. And if I am not mistaken RBL won the German cup after Nagelsmann left so I am not sure we can use his time with them as a good enough reason to appoint - unless we just want to play a style of football that is more pleasing on the eye. Personally I want to win stuff - we played some nice football at times under Poch and won nothing , been there, done that.

The one thing we haven't tried is to appoint a proven winner and only buy him the actual players he asks for. As I have posted previously, if we cannot afford to do that in one or two transfer windows then the project should be to do it over 3 season or so (6 windows).

But that’s never going to happen under Levy. Least nagalsmann will bring attacking football back.

 

[Albertbarich]

Speculative but this is my theory..

We were well in on Tuchel, this is what has delayed the Conte announcement and has pushed Bayern into action.

We have now tried for Nagelsmann twice , he is available and I can't see Levy not trying.

No idea where his mind will be at but he is still a young man so London, the best facilities in the world and 15 million quid a year will be very persuasive.