No reserve team = players loaned out - simples

[Jaispurs]

FFS - I have been reading some absolute tosh on here that it makes me wonder how many idiots actually support our club ?

First things first. We loan out most of our reserve team squad because we disbanded the reserve team last season as we thought the quality of the league was tosh.

Levy and Redknapp decided that they would loan out our entire reserve team across the season so they could maintain a high level of fitness and gain confidence by playing in 1st teams. They believed this was the best way to keep fresh any player who is not playing regularly in the first team.

What happens is our coaches and backroom staff monitor how these guys are doing in their respective clubs and get feedback on whether they will either make the grade in the 1st team or increase their value by playing above the standard level for that division / league.

Keane has not been the same player and is obviously not 1st choice anymore. Rather than sell him on the cheap, loan him to Celtic, let him bag a hat full of goals and either have him back with the new found confidence of old or sell him for what we paid for him. Let him live his dream, what a nice club we are. Everyone's a winner.

Hutton - Serious issues with him have been rumoured for a while and whilst I won't go into these now by going to Sunderland he can play 1st team football and hopefully his value will increase as his fitness levels do too,

O'Hara. Doesn't want to sit on the bench. Wants to play. Go improve at Portsmouth and see you next season (only signed a new contract this season) a better player.

Naughton. Not showing enough to be considered a 1st teamer. Off to Boro to work with Celtic reserves and guaranteed 1st team football.

GDS - Sent to Turkey (poor lad) where he can excel in their average league and his value across Europe will hopefully rise.

Taraabt - Sent to QPR to develop into a team player. Great start but gone backwards....He will be off to another club in the summer or sold on the cheap as he hasn't lit up the Championship as we all thought

And so on and so on.....Bostock, Livermore etc etc

Spurs have the right to recall any of these players at any time. Thats why Kyle Walker has come back. They feel that he is better equiped to be an understudy to Charlie than Naughton.

Recently our 'reserves' had a game and all the loanee's except Taraabt played and the clubs where they are on loan to moaned. They are our players and we reserve the right to call them back at any time.

If Pav doesn't want to play for us or Eidur is not the player he is, like it or not Robbie Keane will be recalled.

Not sure why most of these knee jerk reactions are happening but you all need to understand what is going on.

We are one of the biggest spenders in the Premier League and have a very good squad. Its a shame Bergovic turned us down and the croat failed his medical but that is just the way things go sometimes.

Nobody spent in the transfer window so why are we all of a sudden a worse team than before it ?

We certainly are not, its just a few more players are getting some matches elsewhere.

 

[TheWaddler]

International loans and PL loans can't be recalled.

 

[jondesouza]

FFS - I have been reading some absolute tosh on here that it makes me wonder how many idiots actually support our club ?

Spurs have the right to recall any of these players at any time. Thats why Kyle Walker has come back. They feel that he is better equiped to be an understudy to Charlie than Naughton.

We don't. Plain and simple. As it stands at the moment we can't recall any of our players out on loan for competitive first team fixtures. We can recall the youngsters under the terms of their loans for non-competitive first team fixtures (like today's friendlies) and for Youth Cup games (which we're now out of anyway). The only player we may be able to recall is Keane (at least Harry suggested we could). That may be because the rules are different in Scotland although last I looked they'd been brought into line with the English ones.

I posted this earlier. It's worth reading before you start calling other people idiots. Those of us who are concerned about our transfer dealings aren't doing it to create an unwarranted panic or even to cast apersions about the management. We've just seen a risk that some of us think could have been avoided. I think we all hope it doesn't come to pass.

There's two types of loan:

Long-term (or 'standard'):
Loans go from transfer window to transfer window and can't be terminated by the loaning club, except in the winter transfer window (like we did with Walker) or if the loaned player is a keeper.

Short-term (or 'emergency'):
Loans last a minimum of 28 and maximum of 93 days. Players can be recalled after the first 28 days.

All loans to Premiership clubs have to be long-term according to Premier League rules.

Right now all our players out on loan are on long-term loans. Previously, we've had some youngsters out on short-term ones (Bostock, Parrett for example) but they've all returned now.

 

[TheWaddler]

The only player we may be able to recall is Keane (at least Harry suggested we could). That may be because the rules are different in Scotland although last I looked they'd been brought into line with the English ones.

Keane's is an international loan, so its the same as the PL long-term loan that you have described - it can only go transfer window to transfer window. Harry was referring to bringing Keane back in the summer when his loan is up.

 

[jondesouza]

Keane's is an international loan, so its the same as the PL long-term loan that you have described - it can only go transfer window to transfer window. Harry was referring to bringing Keane back in the summer when his loan is up.

That makes sense. Cheers.

 

[rez9000]

International loans and PL loans can't be recalled.

We don't. Plain and simple. As it stands at the moment we can't recall any of our players out on loan for competitive first team fixtures. We can recall the youngsters under the terms of their loans for non-competitive first team fixtures (like today's friendlies) and for Youth Cup games (which we're now out of anyway). The only player we may be able to recall is Keane (at least Harry suggested we could). That may be because the rules are different in Scotland although last I looked they'd been brought into line with the English ones.

I posted this earlier. It's worth reading before you start calling other people idiots. Those of us who are concerned about our transfer dealings aren't doing it to create an unwarranted panic or even to cast apersions about the management. We've just seen a risk that some of us think could have been avoided. I think we all hope it doesn't come to pass.

There's two types of loan:

Long-term (or 'standard'):
Loans go from transfer window to transfer window and can't be terminated by the loaning club, except in the winter transfer window (like we did with Walker) or if the loaned player is a keeper.

Short-term (or 'emergency'):
Loans last a minimum of 28 and maximum of 93 days. Players can be recalled after the first 28 days.

All loans to Premiership clubs have to be long-term according to Premier League rules.

Right now all our players out on loan are on long-term loans. Previously, we've had some youngsters out on short-term ones (Bostock, Parrett for example) but they've all returned now.

Keane's is an international loan, so its the same as the PL long-term loan that you have described - it can only go transfer window to transfer window. Harry was referring to bringing Keane back in the summer when his loan is up.

That makes sense. Cheers.

Regardless of that though, Jaispur makes an excellent point. We are acting in the best interests of the club and the players by sending them out on loan. They will gain first team football, which will help their development if we choose to keep them or gaining value which will help our bank balance if we choose to sell.

The fact that that Jaispur made one error in his argument does not negate that argument and I believe it's a point well-made. Rep coming your way, Jai.

 

[dontcallme]

Other than getting the rules of the loans wrong it is a good post. We've known for a long time that there is a problem regarding Englands young footballers today.

There are many environmental issues causing a lot of talented players to never make it up to level.

Teenagers are being paid thousands of pounds a week to sit on a Premiership teams bench instead of playing for a lower level club like they did up until the early 90's. We blame the players for being greedy but think about it, if you were 18 and offered £3,000 a week to play for a Premiership teams reserves or £300 a week to play for Swindon which would you choose? The players aren't simply missing out on first team opportunities when they are young but a valuable time to grow a strong personality. Players like Crouch learnt what it is like to have to fight at teams like Norwich and QPR and that is very evident in his play today.

We know about players being over pampered and a lot of that is to do with being given too much luxury when they are too young. Harry loves telling his stories about the conditions him and his players had to put up with and you can tell how much he appreciates where he is today. This is also very evident with players like Roy Keane who started off with only basic facilities and worked his way up to Man Utd. Sending players out on loan to smaller clubs will give our youngsters a much needed dose of reality and hopefully hope some of them appreciate what they have at Spurs rather than taking it for granted.

The other real issue is the not only the gap in qualit ybetween the reserve league and the Prem but also the fact that the results don't matter. If you lose, who cares? What kind of attitude is that for a youngster growing up in a competitive environment? Some of our players are playing for clubs battling relegation, they're going to learn how truly valuable it is to fight for that scrappy 0-0 draw and some are playing for teams where their performances can be the difference between promotion and staying in the Championship.

We can't expect players to sign for smaller clubs on smaller wages and learn their trade and work their way to the top. Maybe Harry has found a logical solution to the challenges which have been bought up by the ridiculous wages young players are receiving today.

 

[jondesouza]

I don't disagree with sending lots of players out on loan. I think it's a great policy. I just think maybe we've got slightly too many out on loan. (I think it's 18 at the last count). Why do I think it's too many? Well, I think when you're going into a cup replay (and that cup is the last chance of silverware in a season) then you shouldn't be in a position when you have the manager needing to talk to the Academy manager and coach to rustle up three youngsters to sit on the bench.

And before anyone suggests it, I'm all for young players getting a chance when they deserve it as they've shown enough in training to get in the squad from merit. I think it's not so great when we're forced to name Academy players in the squad because we've got nobody else left.

 

[gibbs131]

I had to laugh, almost all of the players (Bar Gio) were in losing teams over the past few days.

Loaning from Spurs = kiss of death.

 

[gibbs131]

Someone told me Gio came off the bench and was involved in the second goal. I also watched Keano miss some chances for Celtic as they LOST with him playing, haha (he was classic post Berbs Keano, where he just can't seem to find the back of the net after getting in good positions).

Check it out:

Giovani made his debut for Galatasaray on Sunday - and was the only one of our players out on loan to taste success.

The Mexican forward came on as a substitute in the 57th minute of Galatasaray's 2-1 win against Denizlispor in the Turkish Super Lig. They are point behind leaders Fenerbache.

Jamie O'Hara impressed on his return to Portsmouth but could do little as Manchester City won 2-0 at Eastlands in the Premier League.

In the Championship, Jake Livermore and Kyle Walker played 90 minutes for Peterborough United and Sheffield United as they went down 2-0 at Palace and 3-1 at West Brom respectively on Saturday. Adel Taarabt played 75 minutes as QPR lost 1-0 at home to S****horpe.

Andros Townsend was involved in the move as MK Dons took the lead against Exeter but MK were pegged back in in the last minute as it ended 1-1 in League One.

Ryan Mason won a penalty for Yeovil that Dean Bowditch missed and the Glovers went on to lose 1-0 at home to Huddersfield. Ryan played 77 minutes, Steven Caulker played the full 90.

In League Two, David Button could do little about Accrington Stanley's winner at Shrewsbury and made a fine double save late on to keep the score down to 1-0.

Adam Smith played 90 minutes as Torquay suffered a 2-1 loss at home to Bradford, Sam Cox was an unused substitute.