Norwich Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[Gaz_Gammon]

Ask yourself this question, if Spurs sacked Tim would he get a job managing at any other Prem team?

Ask yourself this question, are you seriously suggesting that the current squad are top four material irrespective of just who is the manager?

If the demigod that is LVG comes in the Summer do you seriously think he will keep, Rose, Naughton, Chadli, Soldado, Dawson, and Lennon?

Seriously?

If so then is it still all Sherwood's fault?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

This season Chelsea have spent £108.4m. Manchester City have spent £90.9m. Man Utd have spent £64.6m. Even Liverpool and Arsenal have spent the best part of £45m. According to reports, they all also pay significantly higher wages than we do. And none of them had to replace their best player and arguably the best player in the league. Sure, we spent £100m but that was just about enough to keep up.

100 million should help any football Club replace their "star" player. Honest.

 

[Styopa]

100 million should help any football Club replace their "star" player. Honest.

And it has, hasn't it? We are on course for a similar points total and league position.

 

[scottlag10]

This season Chelsea have spent £108.4m. Manchester City have spent £90.9m. Man Utd have spent £64.6m. Even Liverpool and Arsenal have spent the best part of £45m. According to reports, they all also pay significantly higher wages than we do. And none of them had to replace their best player and arguably the best player in the league. Sure, we spent £100m but that was just about enough to keep up.

Fact remains all evidence points to we spent the £100M very poorly. We had a unique opportunity in our History to spend that amount of money and in true Spurs style we grabbed that opportunity with both hands...and choked the life out of it. We cocked up big time with our big chance and its about time Daniel Levy, who oversees everything, was held to account.

 

[LiamJM10]

Firstly, to yesterday. We were poor from the outset. Thought it was a poor team selection again. Dembele/Lennon worked against Newcastle, but yesterday it was just wasn't right. Lennon is in dire form and he's very, very lucky Lamela's injured and Andros isn't match fit yet. Been woeful for a long time now. Dembele was shocking both in his cameo out wide and in the centre, save his through ball to Chadli late on. I was fine with Chadli coming on to play out wide, looked lively in recent appearances.

Again, we're undone by injuries. Have we been able to play a full strength team all season? Let alone a full strength defence, and/or midfield unit, individually? Cannot recall us starting Lloris, Walker, Jan, Kaboul, Rose on any other occasion than Newcastle away? Likewise, Eriksen, Sandro, Dembele, Paulinho, Lennon/Lamela.

Reason I bring this up is that Dawson and Naughton are just not good enough. The former has passion in abundance, but I'd rather have someone with some sense of ability that raw grit and passion. Dawson had a mare. Playing Snodrgrass onside by being two yards deeper than everyone else? Don't get me started on his hilarious misjudging of a header. Jan was poor too, but still dwarfed Dawson. Naughton just doesn't do enough. He's not that error prone, but he just gives the ball away sloppily, can't tackle with commitment and how can a modern day RB be scared of going forward? He runs 5 yards, cut in, and passes it backwards EVERY TIME. Awful. I'll let Rose off given he did go forward and Bentaleb was covering for him for the goal. Rose can't really be blamed.

Another Soldado miss, Ade's heavy touches. Not falling for us. Soldado is the best finisher we've had at the club since Berbatov. The almost ironic thing is that he's come to this country, lost ALL of that, but developed everything outside of the box so it is Berbatov-worthy. It wouldn't be Spurs if he'd managed to keep his ability in front of goal and ADDED that.

Tbf, yesterday, we did have chances. Adebayor's first touch let him down twice, Soldado's mental block continues and Chadli's effort was well saved, albeit poorly struck. But we didn't really deserve anything. I don't know whether that's down to the common 'poor team plays with spirit and threatens' theory that Norwich were fully deserving or whether we were just really bad. Bit of both. Norwich weren't that good and we just never got going. Fact Christian Eriksen was never used is a crime.

Think that's our top 4 hopes gone now. Before yesterday it looked possible. Liverpool are on a role, but it was Arsenal who I thought was prone to a collapse of sorts. Hard fixtures coming up as well as playing us at WHL. We could have been in position to overtake them had we won 3 points yesterday. Not happening now though, unless results go our away next weekend. How Spurs would that be?

As for the future, we're doing okay. We desperately need to get Van Gaal in, in the summer. A good manager is as important as good players. Arsenal have been on the brink of slipping for the past few years, but Wenger's dragged them out every year. No coincidence despite our neighbors moans and groans directed at him.

 

[elDiablo]

Has anyone got a GIF of Daws attacking a header on the half way line and completely mis-judging it.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

And it has, hasn't it? We are on course for a similar points total and league position.

I said it "should" not "it has" ..................can you read per chance?

 

[Legend10]

I think the psychological aspect of us needing a goal and Norwich dropping deeper to protect what they had explains a good part of that.

For me it was exactly the same sort of limp performance we saw against Fulham at home last season that fucked us.

The way we started against Newcastle was vastly different.

But I do agree with you - we need someone to put the fear of God into these players so they can give more fatigue levels aside. If the players being picked aren't capable of giving 100%, you pick players who will give you that - inferior or not.

What grates about yesterday the most....there was no fight or heart, no leaders out there demanding we upped it etc,

I agree with a lot of this, if it was my side at the very least neither Rose or Lennon would be playing Sunday and i would be showing them the video of the their care free attitude in the first 10 minutes at least as the reason why.

I don't care if they are better or not that what we would have to play instead and in Rose's case he probably is better than Fryer's or Naughton the 2 alternatives, but they need to be clearly shown that it won't be accepted.

 

[Bobbins]

Has anyone got a GIF of Daws attacking a header on the half way line and completely mis-judging it.

Why would you want that?

This Dawson stuff's actually getting perverse.

 

[elDiablo]

Why would you want that?

This Dawson stuff's actually getting perverse.

I like Dawson and some of the charactistics he brings to the table.

I just wanted it because i thought it looked funny.

 

[Styopa]

I said it "should" not "it has" ..................can you read per chance?

Yes, I did read your post before commenting. You said £100m "should" help any club replace a star player and I said "has" because in my view £100m has helped replace our star player.

 

[Revan1882]

Ask yourself this question, are you seriously suggesting that the current squad are top four material irrespective of just who is the manager?

If the demigod that is LVG comes in the Summer do you seriously think he will keep, Rose, Naughton, Chadli, Soldado, Dawson, and Lennon?

Seriously?

If so then is it still all Sherwood's fault?

Rose yes, Naughton no, Chadli maybe, Soldado hopefully not, Dawson yes as back up and Lennon yes. However TS chooses to play them. Rose he has little choice but the rest there are others.
Eriksen was on the bench whom could of played instead of Soldado or Chadli. Fryers could of played instead of Rose/Naughton or Dawson. There is also Fredicks some can play RB or RM instead of Lennon. The point is he could of played others, so yes it is Sherwood's fault. For me this all boils down to Sherwood thinking the squad was fine when we clearly needed two new players, yes we have too many CM but most of them are defensive as he won't play Eriksen and he got rid of Holtby. Sherwood's fault all the way.

 

[Revan1882]

Firstly, to yesterday. We were poor from the outset. Thought it was a poor team selection again. Dembele/Lennon worked against Newcastle, but yesterday it was just wasn't right. Lennon is in dire form and he's very, very lucky Lamela's injured and Andros isn't match fit yet. Been woeful for a long time now. Dembele was shocking both in his cameo out wide and in the centre, save his through ball to Chadli late on. I was fine with Chadli coming on to play out wide, looked lively in recent appearances.

Again, we're undone by injuries. Have we been able to play a full strength team all season? Let alone a full strength defence, and/or midfield unit, individually? Cannot recall us starting Lloris, Walker, Jan, Kaboul, Rose on any other occasion than Newcastle away? Likewise, Eriksen, Sandro, Dembele, Paulinho, Lennon/Lamela.

Reason I bring this up is that Dawson and Naughton are just not good enough. The former has passion in abundance, but I'd rather have someone with some sense of ability that raw grit and passion. Dawson had a mare. Playing Snodrgrass onside by being two yards deeper than everyone else? Don't get me started on his hilarious misjudging of a header. Jan was poor too, but still dwarfed Dawson. Naughton just doesn't do enough. He's not that error prone, but he just gives the ball away sloppily, can't tackle with commitment and how can a modern day RB be scared of going forward? He runs 5 yards, cut in, and passes it backwards EVERY TIME. Awful. I'll let Rose off given he did go forward and Bentaleb was covering for him for the goal. Rose can't really be blamed.

Another Soldado miss, Ade's heavy touches. Not falling for us. Soldado is the best finisher we've had at the club since Berbatov. The almost ironic thing is that he's come to this country, lost ALL of that, but developed everything outside of the box so it is Berbatov-worthy. It wouldn't be Spurs if he'd managed to keep his ability in front of goal and ADDED that.

Tbf, yesterday, we did have chances. Adebayor's first touch let him down twice, Soldado's mental block continues and Chadli's effort was well saved, albeit poorly struck. But we didn't really deserve anything. I don't know whether that's down to the common 'poor team plays with spirit and threatens' theory that Norwich were fully deserving or whether we were just really bad. Bit of both. Norwich weren't that good and we just never got going. Fact Christian Eriksen was never used is a crime.

Think that's our top 4 hopes gone now. Before yesterday it looked possible. Liverpool are on a role, but it was Arsenal who I thought was prone to a collapse of sorts. Hard fixtures coming up as well as playing us at WHL. We could have been in position to overtake them had we won 3 points yesterday. Not happening now though, unless results go our away next weekend. How Spurs would that be?

As for the future, we're doing okay. We desperately need to get Van Gaal in, in the summer. A good manager is as important as good players. Arsenal have been on the brink of slipping for the past few years, but Wenger's dragged them out every year. No coincidence despite our neighbors moans and groans directed at him.

Couldn't help but laugh at that mate.

 

[LiamJM10]

Couldn't help but laugh at that mate.

Watch his goals for Valencia and tell me we've had someone capable of that since Berbatov? Just because it's not worked out for him, doesn't mean it's not true. Take it you think Lennon is better than Lamela too?

 

[spursbhoy67]

Tim is four years older than Brenda, has played at the highest level and won a Championship. Liverpool have a leader who has won the CL, and a forward who is possibly the third best striker in Europe. We have Dawson and Soldado.

Go figure, but please don't kick the manager in the balls after his second PL defeat since taking over.

I am not kicking the manager because of his second PL defeat. I am kicking him because of the quality of performances since he took over, our inept cup performances, my knowledge of his appointment, his ability as a coach, my own observations and the feedback I have been given.

 

[spursbhoy67]

Ask yourself this question, if Spurs sacked Tim would he get a job managing at any other Prem team?

Take it a step further and ask this: In 10 years time who will be the more succesful manager: Harry Redknapp, Tim Sherwood or Andre Villas-Boas?

 

[SlunkSoma]

Why would you want that?

This Dawson stuff's actually getting perverse.

I don't think he meant Dawson heading a ball naked, mate.

 

[spursbhoy67]

Ask yourself this question, are you seriously suggesting that the current squad are top four material irrespective of just who is the manager?

If the demigod that is LVG comes in the Summer do you seriously think he will keep, Rose, Naughton, Chadli, Soldado, Dawson, and Lennon?

Seriously?

If so then is it still all Sherwood's fault?

Going into the game on Sunday we were three points behind Liverpool in fourth, so definitely in contention for a top four spot. This depsite the fact that by our own admission on here we have not had a good season.

If the players were pushed, if the team was organised, if the players were played in their best positions, if the team applied the correct tactics could we have closed the gap the rest of the way? Or could we have closed the gap before then? I think yes on both counts.

I have not come across anyone in the game (not fans) who does not rate the players we have purchased this season. I know the previous manager wanted other players, but the ones that were signed were still considered top four material. What then has gone wrong? Was it AVB? He was fired so DL thought he was. I would have given him more time, but I understand why that did not happen.

TS has not made any difference in my estimation to where I think this squad is capable of going. We have had one decent performance since he arrived and that was at Newcastle. AVB was ripped apart for some of our performances and for me TS deserves similar criticism.

I don't know if LVG is the answer, but we do need a disciplinarian who will be respected by the players and one who can address the divide in the squad. AVB had a vision for the club, but could not implement it. We need someone who has a vision and who has the CV (read medals) to implement it.

 

[Revan1882]

Watch his goals for Valencia and tell me we've had someone capable of that since Berbatov? Just because it's not worked out for him, doesn't mean it's not true. Take it you think Lennon is better than Lamela too?

No not at all, but Soldado needs at least 5 chances in a game to get a goal. That's not a natural finisher in my books.

 

[TheGreenLily]

No not at all, but Soldado needs at least 5 chances in a game to get a goal. That's not a natural finisher in my books.

Suarez:

115 shots - 23 goals = an average of around 5 chances to get a goal... So not a natural goal scorer then, gotcha