Paul Mitchell Joins Tottenham

[yankspurs]

A) Yes we do
B) This is Levy saying that Poch is here to stay. He won't sack him a few weeks after getting someone who's worked with him.

No we don't. All we have are articles saying he has handed in his resignation to southampton and someone saying both us and Arsenal are sniffing around him. It's all media speculation that he will be coming to Spurs. Also, it doesnt matter what this says. If we cant pick up a point in the next 4 matches, we'll be in relegation places. The fans wont be behind him and baldy sure as hell wont.

 

[ethanedwards]

Atletico disagree.

When you can't afford the very best, you have to attack things a bit differently - and zig, where others zag.

Didn't realise Atletico were in the PL.

 

[Spursidol]

It remains to be seen whether it will be, at Southampton as the article today states they had a vast video library to use for analysis and a whole team of analysts that he headed up. If we are trying to replicate something like this then great, but my fear is this is just a token appointment and a really lazy decision of just appointing one individual, telling them to get on with it and hoping they have a magic formula and can perform miracles.

Mitchell has only been at Southampton since January 2012 - 2 and a half years.

So I'd imagine a lot of the 'black box' room already existed before he started - it would take a few years to set up, recruit the staff, select and install suites of software etc.

I wonder how advanced Spurs analysis departments are (ie what Mitchell has to build on) - we certainly do look at various data in assessing players, just look at the job titles of the acdemy staff to see that.

 

[moomin]

wouldn't be surprised if getting him was the plan all along and we had a hands off agreement with southampton for any of their players/management until a certain date (Jan 1st?)

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Seriously - why do people compare us to Chelsea? In what way, are we remotely similar at this stage? We cannot afford their roster, nor can we hire their manager. For a squad on a limited budget, we have to spend wisely, and the best way to do that is to have a singular philosophy, and find players that fit. Build the philosophy first, add players second.

Also - people toss the term "moneyball" around a bit too freely, without understanding what it means. The concept in Moneyball was not using data/analytics, nor was it about "plug[ing] anyone in". Moneyball, as a concept is simply about finding inefficiencies in the market, and taking advantage of those inefficiencies - finding skills/attributes/players who were undervalued. It is really the cornerstone of most successful businesses in or out of sport.

And, if you read the article about what Mitchell has been heading up at Soton, you realize it is really nothing more than consolidating the tools that football scouts can use to observe a player - getting film from several games into one place for a scout to observe, rather than send him out following a prospect for several games. There is certainly some analytics that go with it - but its more about designing a cost-effective system to scout the world.

 

[Krafty]

Mitchell was also at MK Dons, and you could argue that when he left for Southampton about 2, 3 years ago their progress stopped. One man does make an island, but Mitchell has obviously been a factor when clubs have done well.

I think this is a positive sign, Pochettino is getting men in he wants, and more importantly he is getting men into the structure of the club, not just the first team training staff. That indicates he is being given the resources he wants/needs to be successful.

I have no problem with taking Southampton's head of recruitment. They have recruited well, probably the best in the PL this season, so why wouldn't we want them? Recruitment has been a big problem for us, its an area that needs addressing, so lets address it.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

No we don't. All we have are articles saying he has handed in his resignation to southampton and someone saying both us and Arsenal are sniffing around him. It's all media speculation that he will be coming to Spurs. Also, it doesnt matter what this says. If we cant pick up a point in the next 4 matches, we'll be in relegation places. The fans wont be behind him and baldy sure as hell wont.

So lookslikemodric is right and everyone else is wrong. OK m8. He's coming to us, stop being stupid for the sake of it.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Lyall Thomas ‏@LyallThomas 23m23 minutes ago
Another promising thing for #THFC fans is that Paul Mitchell brings with him a wealth of potential names/ targets already acquired.

 

[Mouse!]

Lyall Thomas ‏@LyallThomas 23m23 minutes ago
Another promising thing for #THFC fans is that Paul Mitchell brings with him a wealth of potential names/ targets already acquired.

Joao Moutinho, Hulk, Morgan Schneiderlin, Mateo Musacchio and Leandro Damiao.

 

[EQP]

Lyall Thomas ‏@LyallThomas 23m23 minutes ago
Another promising thing for #THFC fans is that Paul Mitchell brings with him a wealth of potential names/ targets already acquired.

For sure. I'm really excited because his in depth analysis/ video scouting especially to how it relates to players in our youth academy could help us promote more players instead of buying players of equal or less ability.

 

[SteveH]

there's more

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...uitment-paul-mitchell-set-for-tottenham-move?

 

[mark87]

Joao Moutinho, Hulk, Morgan Schneiderlin, Mateo Musacchio and Leandro Damiao.

I just don't know how many times people need to be told, Leandro Damiao never existed, he was just a myth...

 

[yankspurs]

So lookslikemodric is right and everyone else is wrong. OK m8. He's coming to us, stop being stupid for the sake of it.

I didnt see that he was the one posted it. Im not being stupid. All i see is speculation that he's coming here. And frankly, most media sources are unreliable these days.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I didnt see that he was the one posted it. Im not being stupid. All i see is speculation that he's coming here. And frankly, most media sources are unreliable these days.

Not the BBC and Lyall Thomas from Sky Sports is very reliable as well.

 

[spurs9]

Thats just it - there is no "wrong" philosophy. Only the wrong players playing that philosophy. You can win in this league with any number of philosophies/tactics, as long as you have a club full of players who are committed to that philosophy/tactic. The first team "stinks" right now, because we have an incredibly unbalanced squad, with too few players capable of committing to the high-line, pressing style that the manager is going to implement.

And, seriously, you need to let Harry go. He left a long time ago, and he isn't coming back. Holding onto those ghosts is not healthy.

The key to long-term success is finding a philosophy that can be repeated. Harry's "run around abit" was really on successful when combined with world-class players - and we can't rely on having world class players every year. We can rely on having hard working players who are committed to an organized style of play - where players can be plugged in at will - preferably as many from the academy who have been drilled on each positions roles and responsibilities, as from outside the club.

Levy committed to this philosophy when he hired Pochettino. He will see it through - at least until the end of next season.

I think Levy committed to that philosophy when he hired Arnesen. If you look at the youth teams, they all play in a similar way to Southampton last season and that seems to be ingrained through out every age group (for a few years now) with the exception of the 1st team. IMO, Poch was brought in to bridge that gap and Mitchell is another step in creating that bridge.

 

[hybridsoldier]

Great reading about Mitchell, but its not like they did too bad before him with Walcott, Bale, Oxlade-Chamberlain. (Go further back, Le Tissier and Shearer!). And you have to look around him at Southampton ...he didn't do it himself! Gut feel is that there are too many cooks at Spurs I feel. So now we have Levy, Baldini, Mitchell and Poch involved in decision making. Not to mention Ian Broomfield only recently came back to the club as Head Scout.

I have to say I have moaned and bitched about the lack of recruitment and succession planning structure at Spurs. I fail to understand why any top level club does not have a team dedicated to analysing players at the club and in the market and having contingency plans for any who wish to leave. Atletico always stick out as good example: Torres, Aguero, Falcao, Costa, and now Griezmann.

So it is good they are doing this now, if Levy leaves the football side to Baldini, Mitchell and Poch maybe we have a shot. This is restructure number ??? under Levy now ?! let's hope its better thought through than the others...!

 

[spurs9]

I have no idea if it's going to be a good thing or not, but I'd put my money on history repeating itself tbh.

Poch says players are shit (even though we hired him to work with and improve our current lot)

Poch says he needs new scouts

Levy gives him scout he worked with at Saints

Levy sacks Poch

Levy hires new manager

New manager thinks Mitchell is shit.

Levy is the only one who can stop this BS cycle

In regards to non coaching staff, we have only had major changes when Ramos left (We had already sacked Comolli and Harry didn't want a DOF type structure) and when AVB was here (AVB did want a DOF) haven't we or am I forgetting some?

Coaching staff is always going to change with the coach, as they need the right people to help get there idea's across to the players and it's a fine balancing act between doing that and keeping staff that know the club and the players.

Personally, I think the signing of Poch and Mitchell are to bridge the final part of the set up that we started when we hired Arnesen. If you look at the youth levels, they all play the same way and is a system/philosophy similar to how Poch had Southampton playing. The only exception through the age groups is the 1st team. I think AVB was seen as the coach to bridge the gap, but didn't deliver on the promises of integrating youth payers (according to Sherwood) nor did he get the 1st team to play the way we (and he) wanted and, IMO, I think Levy used the Liverpool result to get him out.

With the quality coming through our youth team, it's important to bridge that gap now more than ever and I think this season will be used to identify the players that don't fit into the philosophy (and cant change their mentality). If we get Mitchell, we have someone who know's Poch's (and our youth teams) philosophy, so can bring in the right type of players and, from what I have read, he will also analyse our youth team, so we wont be signing players to block their path needlessly as often.

Even if Poch doesn't work out, Mitchell could stay as he is used to recruiting players for the philosophy we are trying to impose for a team that likes to promote players from their academy.

It's a positive move IMO.

 

[spurs9]

Great reading about Mitchell, but its not like they did too bad before him with Walcott, Bale, Oxlade-Chamberlain. (Go further back, Le Tissier and Shearer!). And you have to look around him at Southampton ...he didn't do it himself! Gut feel is that there are too many cooks at Spurs I feel. So now we have Levy, Baldini, Mitchell and Poch involved in decision making. Not to mention Ian Broomfield only recently came back to the club as Head Scout.

I have to say I have moaned and bitched about the lack of recruitment and succession planning structure at Spurs. I fail to understand why any top level club does not have a team dedicated to analysing players at the club and in the market and having contingency plans for any who wish to leave. Atletico always stick out as good example: Torres, Aguero, Falcao, Costa, and now Griezmann.

So it is good they are doing this now, if Levy leaves the football side to Baldini, Mitchell and Poch maybe we have a shot. This is restructure number ??? under Levy now ?! let's hope its better thought through than the others...!

Levy will just be making the financial decisions, Baldini is there for his contacts (very undervalued by football fans) Poch will have the final say on players based on his own view and the data/reports that Broomfield and Mitchell will be providing.

 

[shelfboy68]

If he comes in then fine for the longer term but Im not getting too carried away with it.

 

[SteveH]

I just don't know how many times people need to be told, Leandro Damiao never existed, he was just a myth...

more of a spectre me thinks