Player watch: Danny Rose

[yido_number1]

I think the situation with most of these players is similar - especially Rose and Toby. Clubs with money are less and less keen to land themselves with older players on big wages particularly if they are not out of contract. Tripps and Eriksen are that bit younger and there’s probably more interest. The other option (which Mousa took) is China but you then really are at a point when money is the only driver. I can certainly see both Rose and Toby here next season. Would be interesting to know how happy Pouch is with that? To be fair the commitment from both last year was unquestionable.

Another year from Toby is worth more than 25m that would buy foyth and Sanchez another year of development and closer to what we need. Rose looks like he has plenty left in the tank. I'd expect him to have 3 more consistent years before dropping off.

 

[Lilbaz]

Another year from Toby is worth more than 25m that would buy foyth and Sanchez another year of development and closer to what we need. Rose looks like he has plenty left in the tank. I'd expect him to have 3 more consistent years before dropping off.

He has 2 years left on his contract so what do we do?
Sell and try to replace.
Offer new contract.
Let him run it down.
Wait a season and sell.

Personally think if a decent offer comes in then he'll be sold. Just not to a direct rival.

 

[yido_number1]

He has 2 years left on his contract so what do we do?
Sell and try to replace.
Offer new contract.
Let him run it down.
Wait a season and sell.

Personally think if a decent offer comes in then he'll be sold. Just not to a direct rival.

There are two different schools of thought I guess. The business sense and then the personal sense. Personally I'd offer him a year extension to his current deal and let him see it out. We won't make a massive amount from selling him and probably won't be able to replace the quality or stability he offers. Do that and maybe try and get a prospect into the club or through youth ready for his decline.

From a business stand point it makes great sense to sell him now and get some return and sign a younger model. It seems like we are trying to do that but with the amount of changes we need to make I'd probably not do this one yet.

 

[BENNO]

Very few of our players won’t be linked with moves away. People really need to learn to ignore media transfer stories.

I hope Rose stays. His commitment to tackling was at 100% at the end of the season, so vital.

Defender in 'committed to tackling' shocker !!!

Note:Feels like i'm always knocking Rose, but honestly not the case, got nothing against him i just think fans over rate him.

 

[Lilbaz]

There are two different schools of thought I guess. The business sense and then the personal sense. Personally I'd offer him a year extension to his current deal and let him see it out. We won't make a massive amount from selling him and probably won't be able to replace the quality or stability he offers. Do that and maybe try and get a prospect into the club or through youth ready for his decline.

From a business stand point it makes great sense to sell him now and get some return and sign a younger model. It seems like we are trying to do that but with the amount of changes we need to make I'd probably not do this one yet.

Also have to take into consideration his feelings. He's said he'd like to go back up north at some point. Would he sign a new contract?

 

[yido_number1]

Also have to take into consideration his feelings. He's said he'd like to go back up north at some point. Would he sign a new contract?

He said he wanted to stay in his most recent interview. I think the up North comments were made when UTD were sniffing around nearly 2 years ago. Have to remember he said himself he was depressed and having a hard time of things. Only natural to want a move near "home".

That said I don't think we will offer him a contract and he will be moved on either this year or next.

 

[dace]

He has two years left on his deal, why offer another?
Let him stay for another season, see if he regains his form, then let him go next Summer with a younger player to take his place.
Seems a little strange to offer a longer deal to a 29 year old, we have him until he is 31, not sure his legs will last longer than that.

 

[spursfan77]

This is where a contract with an optional year really come into their own. If he had 3 years left from now it wouldn't be a concern at his age.

 

[whitesocks]

Yep, not for one moment would i suggest moving Jan to left back in anything other than an emergency. Point i was trying to make was that that is the sort of attacking performance we should expect from a left back at our club now, in every game (obviously subject to slight fluctuations of course). A high percentage of fans seem to think Rose is good enough to be first choice,yet imo he offers nothing other than effort - which should be a given from any player tbh. Trippier gets slaughtered and everyone wants him out, yet i've seen Trippier actually win games for us (and England) with great final balls that have been converted and/or a free kick or two that he's stuck away. I'd assume the stats on goals and assists would be hugely in favour of Trippier over Rose. Yet we are all happy enough for him to be sold (me included). My personal opinion is that some players are fans favourites and you become blinded by their loyalty/commitment/love of the badge. Imo if he left, in a years time those same fans would be thinking 'fuck me, this new bloke is mustard' (who ever that new bloke might be) cos in reality Rose wasn't as good as they thought.

I guess I was trying to say that Jan's world class performance in that second half is a pretty high bar! It was extraordinary and players that have that technique and eye for goal do not normally end up playing LB. Or CB for that matter.

Rose's strengths of providing energy and commitment are often enough for him to win my MOTM. However I don't know where MP is going, moving him into midfield. He hasn't embarrassed himself yet (unlike the time Walker was moved there against chelsea), but I just see a player on the verge of seriously injuring himself and others.

If MP is staying, then Rose is unlikely to be going anywhere unless Rose forced the move. And we'd all know about it if was unhappy. Oh yes.

 

[dontcallme]

Defender in 'committed to tackling' shocker !!!

Note:Feels like i'm always knocking Rose, but honestly not the case, got nothing against him i just think fans over rate him.

Different players have different tackling techniques. Some hold back and cover while waiting.

Rose is full blooded and his physical style suits our pressing style.

You can not rate a player and not be a prick about it at the same time.

 

[TwanYid]

Rose is an odd one for sure in that he is an attacking LB who can't cross or score, and yet still- there he is- helping us win games. He has this aura- this "fighter" vibe that surrounds him- that makes him someone whom I'm always relieved to see on the team sheet in big games, despite his limitations. Defensively, the guy is unreal- yet when you think of Danny Rose do you think of defense?!? For me I think of him bombing down the wing before passing it back to the top of the box, or bombing down the wing, beating his man and then cutting in. What happens next doesn't often lead to something and yet it is this continual torment of the opposition, this unceasing desire of his to make trouble- that eventually wears the opponent down and allows us to (eventually/hopefully) score. He is pugnacious- that's the word I'm looking for- and at the same time is also supremely talented; the issue is, he doesn't do the basic things (as in the aforementioned crossing) that you would expect a fullback to do. I mean hell even Kieran Trippier can cross a ball...

To me he is the quintessential Spurs player: a guy with huge plusses and some baffling minuses. A guy capable of- in one of the biggest matches in Spurs history- nutmegging/making an utter fool of De Ligt and beginning our comeback at the Johan Cruyff, whilst at the same time not being able to hit a wide open Kane or Dele striding into the box against, say, Fulham. In this way he's like Lloris, Sissoko, Son, Lamela, Eriksen, Lucas, etc., i.e., players that are wonderful most of the time but who also have major flaws in their game(s), issues which will probably never go away. We're Tottenham, after all- we don't have the KDBs or the Fernandinho's of the world- that's just not us. What we have, otoh, is a team of incredibly talented players who the gaffer must put in the right positions (tactically, physically, mentally, strategically, etc.) in order for the squad to succeed. Thank God Poch isn't AVB and for the most part is, rather, a guy that can see who needs to be put where, when and against whom...

I really like Rose after what he did in the Champions League away at Barcelona and away at Ajax and I will always have a soft spot for him because of games like those. Oh and of course for the stunner vs. Are*nal...

Anyway- I really, really hope he stays. Him leaving at this point in time would be ridiculous IMO.

 

[DJS]

It’s kinda weird he can’t cross very well considering he started out as a winger lol.

 

[spursfan77]

Would anyone be surprised if he’s given a new contract when he returns to training next week just like Davies and winks were this week?

I wouldn’t. Let’s see if that happens and if it doesn’t, then we can worry about him leaving. All this him being linked away could just be agents negotiating his contract don’t forget.

 

[alexis]

Rose is an odd one for sure in that he is an attacking LB who can't cross or score, and yet still- there he is- helping us win games. He has this aura- this "fighter" vibe that surrounds him- that makes him someone whom I'm always relieved to see on the team sheet in big games, despite his limitations. Defensively, the guy is unreal- yet when you think of Danny Rose do you think of defense?!? For me I think of him bombing down the wing before passing it back to the top of the box, or bombing down the wing, beating his man and then cutting in. What happens next doesn't often lead to something and yet it is this continual torment of the opposition, this unceasing desire of his to make trouble- that eventually wears the opponent down and allows us to (eventually/hopefully) score. He is pugnacious- that's the word I'm looking for- and at the same time is also supremely talented; the issue is, he doesn't do the basic things (as in the aforementioned crossing) that you would expect a fullback to do. I mean hell even Kieran Trippier can cross a ball...

To me he is the quintessential Spurs player: a guy with huge plusses and some baffling minuses. A guy capable of- in one of the biggest matches in Spurs history- nutmegging/making an utter fool of De Ligt and beginning our comeback at the Johan Cruyff, whilst at the same time not being able to hit a wide open Kane or Dele striding into the box against, say, Fulham. In this way he's like Lloris, Sissoko, Son, Lamela, Eriksen, Lucas, etc., i.e., players that are wonderful most of the time but who also have major flaws in their game(s), issues which will probably never go away. We're Tottenham, after all- we don't have the KDBs or the Fernandinho's of the world- that's just not us. What we have, otoh, is a team of incredibly talented players who the gaffer must put in the right positions (tactically, physically, mentally, strategically, etc.) in order for the squad to succeed. Thank God Poch isn't AVB and for the most part is, rather, a guy that can see who needs to be put where, when and against whom...

I really like Rose after what he did in the Champions League away at Barcelona and away at Ajax and I will always have a soft spot for him because of games like those. Oh and of course for the stunner vs. Are*nal...

Anyway- I really, really hope he stays. Him leaving at this point in time would be ridiculous IMO.

Well said great post

 

[worcestersauce]

I can see absolutely no reason to sell Danny Rose this season whatsoever. It makes no sense from a business or a football point of view and I certainly don't see a better option on the horizon.

 

[BENNO]

Rose is an odd one for sure in that he is an attacking LB who can't cross or score, and yet still- there he is- helping us win games. He has this aura- this "fighter" vibe that surrounds him- that makes him someone whom I'm always relieved to see on the team sheet in big games, despite his limitations. Defensively, the guy is unreal- yet when you think of Danny Rose do you think of defense?!? For me I think of him bombing down the wing before passing it back to the top of the box, or bombing down the wing, beating his man and then cutting in. What happens next doesn't often lead to something and yet it is this continual torment of the opposition, this unceasing desire of his to make trouble- that eventually wears the opponent down and allows us to (eventually/hopefully) score. He is pugnacious- that's the word I'm looking for- and at the same time is also supremely talented; the issue is, he doesn't do the basic things (as in the aforementioned crossing) that you would expect a fullback to do. I mean hell even Kieran Trippier can cross a ball...

To me he is the quintessential Spurs player: a guy with huge plusses and some baffling minuses. A guy capable of- in one of the biggest matches in Spurs history- nutmegging/making an utter fool of De Ligt and beginning our comeback at the Johan Cruyff, whilst at the same time not being able to hit a wide open Kane or Dele striding into the box against, say, Fulham. In this way he's like Lloris, Sissoko, Son, Lamela, Eriksen, Lucas, etc., i.e., players that are wonderful most of the time but who also have major flaws in their game(s), issues which will probably never go away. We're Tottenham, after all- we don't have the KDBs or the Fernandinho's of the world- that's just not us. What we have, otoh, is a team of incredibly talented players who the gaffer must put in the right positions (tactically, physically, mentally, strategically, etc.) in order for the squad to succeed. Thank God Poch isn't AVB and for the most part is, rather, a guy that can see who needs to be put where, when and against whom...

I really like Rose after what he did in the Champions League away at Barcelona and away at Ajax and I will always have a soft spot for him because of games like those. Oh and of course for the stunner vs. Are*nal...

Anyway- I really, really hope he stays. Him leaving at this point in time would be ridiculous IMO.

Superb post and very well summed up - and helps me clarify my position on him because i think most fans who really like Rose feel the same about him and Spurs as you have so eloquently put. But i don't think we are the same Spurs now that you talk about, the Spurs who should be expected to have players with huge plusses but baffling minuses. I feel we should have left backs who can defend AND cross a ball, who are committed and passionate but also skilful. I am convinced there are full backs out there who can come in and be better than Danny Rose (some maybe with a bit of Poch coaching). He's not a great left back, he's just a long serving decent committed left back that people have fallen in love with 'cos he's 'ours'. Once he's retired there will never be any 'greatest PL defenders' discussions on Sky where his name gets mentioned.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Danny Rose tenacity and will to win are very endearing, his honesty is refreshing though sometimes irritating, his style is enjoyable as he is fast, has some skill and can be quite explosive. I’d suggest that he is one player who should still be here next season and probably still be first choice, we have bigger priorities elsewhere, but also one that due to age we need to look at succession planning for.

 

[morriss]

I love Danny Rose.

 

[BENNO]

Danny Rose tenacity and will to win are very endearing, his honesty is refreshing though sometimes irritating, his style is enjoyable as he is fast, has some skill and can be quite explosive. I’d suggest that he is one player who should still be here next season and probably still be first choice, we have bigger priorities elsewhere, but also one that due to age we need to look at succession planning for.

Yep, couldn't argue with that - left back/wing back wouldn't seem to be a major problem, especially if Sessengnon joins us.

 

[Sweech]

It’s kinda weird he can’t cross very well considering he started out as a winger lol.

I thought he started out as a midfielder?