Player watch: Danny Rose

[Shadydan]

Why do football fans always invent negative scenarios in their head?

 

[Univarn]

I get worried about our medical team, they are never very precise with their estimates.....

The latest for Danny 'coming weeks'

Lamela - 'advanced stage of rehabilitation'

They also start with the Lamela stuff to make it sound in some way 'positive', I hate our PR team. Poch was on record saying he is not sure whether Rose would be fit for last season, now 4 months on and we get 'coming weeks'.

So is that 2 weeks or 10 weeks?

There are lots of factors when it comes to injuries. When Kane went down last year both times he came back ahead of schedule. Everyone heals on different time tables and often recovering from long term injuries requires a lot of work and mental fortitude of the person injured but also everyone's body is different and sometimes compensates for an injury in ways that causes more injuries.

In January this year I pulled a thigh muscle running. Was a minor pull and the doctor figured I'd be back up in a couple of weeks with PT and steroids. I still had pain after a couple of months and my leg was trying to self correct incorrectly was starting to pull a different muscle so we upped PT and changed things. Still it took until August before I could reasonably run distance again with limited to no pain. All for a minor muscle pull. I am not an elite athlete but I'm just trying to say shit happens.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Is he still a few weeks away from being fit?

He's been out for 8 months now approx and for the last 3 months as far as I'm aware has been a few weeks away from being fully fit

This whole Rose situation is very odd and does smell very fishy

 

[Jimmypearce7]

Is he still a few weeks away from being fit?

He's been out for 8 months now approx and for the last 3 months as far as I'm aware has been a few weeks away from being fully fit

This whole Rose situation is very odd and does smell very fishy

Your suggesting its time to start wild rumours about the truth behind his absence?
Happy to start:
He's the new Pablo Escobar. He changed his name to Serge and switched to right back. He's under the foundations at the new WHL.

 

[Gspurs11]

I don't want to add to the conjecture about Rose already *adds more conjecture* but I think there's something in what Poch said in his press conference today that resonates with the speculation (ITK?) about Rose potentially suffering from a mental illness.

He's been out for a long time and if you factor in he may/may not have a depressive syndrome, it's clear why they're treating him with kid gloves.

Maybe i'm reading too much into Poch's comments as English is not his first language and i do not want to come across as a pseudo-psychologist so i apologise if anyone takes offence to this interpretation - especially as i'm completely ignorant to a private situation and i'm speculating it's 'mental health.'

I for one think the club are doing their utmost to protect and it may, just may help us understand some of the context surrounding the interview he gave.

I wish him well and we're in capable hands with Davies.

 

[danielneeds]

I get worried about our medical team, they are never very precise with their estimates.....

The latest for Danny 'coming weeks'

Lamela - 'advanced stage of rehabilitation'

They also start with the Lamela stuff to make it sound in some way 'positive', I hate our PR team. Poch was on record saying he is not sure whether Rose would be fit for last season, now 4 months on and we get 'coming weeks'.

So is that 2 weeks or 10 weeks?

They don't give estimates because every injury and player is different, and if you say "6 weeks" and then it takes longer it creates another story for the media, and more questions. Better to say they are ready when they are ready and leave it at that. I'm sure Poch gets private estimates.

 

['O Zio]

Whats worse is that he didnt say that he wanted to leave

He states that before he retires he wants to leave the club and play close to home, which is something we hear from foreign players all the time. He isnt saying he wants to leave but says if he anything concrete comes he would talk to the club about it

What he said was very naive and stupid but I feel this has been an overreaction from our fans

I guess it just comes down to whether you believe he really was being naive and stupid, or whether he knew exactly what he was doing.

Like I said before, I'm not in favour of booing anyone and I'd like to move on. I'm just surprised by the number of our fans who seem to think that Rose is the innocent little lamb in all this and he's been totally stitched up by the Sun. We don't know for certain either way, but IMO it's far more logical for all sorts of reasons that he knew exactly what he was doing and was setting himself up for a big money move.

Either way, while he remains a Spurs player I hope our fans get behind him.

 

[Spursmatty87]

This sort of faux vitriol is why football fans are generally mocked for being either drunken louts or children.

We are over the moon when other players say they want to come to us but find it abhorrent when the roles are reversed?!

I have no problem with players moving on. Completely unminding the club, fans and management shouldn't be exceptable.

 

[Dharmabum]

Those who are "attacking" Spurs/Pochettino for not mentioning Rose can put down their "weapons" now...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hes-suffering-lot-mauricio-pochettino-11177617

Pochettino said: “Am I worried about Danny? Of course I suffer because he is our player like Lamela and different players. You always want them fit and healthy and ready to compete available for selection. After the long term like him, I think it is difficult for him because players love to play football and be fit and healthy.

"He is suffering a lot – for eight or nine months – since January. It is a very difficult situaton.

"We all try – the staff and everyone – to help him to keep pushing and try to be motivated as possible to be fit again and be available to help the team. We cannot say in one week or two weeks. We are assessing them every day. I think they are doing well but still we have to wait and we cannot give a date when they can return to the group and start training.”

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

I think Danny Rose deserved a new contract. Like he said he needs to be paid what he is deserved.
That's like 1000 pound per week.
Useless crocked

 

[Hercules]

I think Danny Rose deserved a new contract. Like he said he needs to be paid what he is deserved.
That's like 1000 pound per week.
Useless crocked

Another idiotic, bordering on the verge of moronic comment. Ignorant fan who buys every single negative the media spout. Angry I tell you, I am angry with damaging comments like that when you know sweet FA.

 

[eViL]

At the end of the day, injured or not; Rose is the best left back in the League.

Just like Toby is one of the best Centre Backs - why shouldn't they be paid on a par with the best players in the League?

It's not our or their fault that first Chelsea, then Man City, changed the money game in English football. If anything, it's the football governing bodies weakness in controlling these clubs and the men that fund them.

At least now, it's not just Man UTD steamrollering everyone else financially and the money actually gets shared around the clubs that little bit more.

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

Another idiotic, bordering on the verge of moronic comment. Ignorant fan who buys every single negative the media spout. Angry I tell you, I am angry with damaging comments like that when you know sweet FA.

You can't deny what Danny said though because it's literally what he said

 

[Hercules]

You can't deny what Danny said though because it's literally what he said

Nobody denies that. There is more to it than that. You really think it was only him? He apologised, and we move on. There is a lot that people do not know, and I am not about to share. And if you want to believe that some were not aware he was about to go to print, then ignorance is bliss.

 

[ralvy]

Another idiotic, bordering on the verge of moronic comment. Ignorant fan who buys every single negative the media spout. Angry I tell you, I am angry with damaging comments like that when you know sweet FA.

Sorry Hercules, all we know as fans is what Danny Rose said to the Sun... that's as far as our knoweldge on this situation goes, but its also a good source as it came out straight from the players mouth (well, with some filtering from the journos I guess).

I know you're ITK and all, but insulting fans and calling them ignorants from drawing fair conclusions from what the player actually said its way out of line I feel. There's nothing wrong or outlandish about fans being hurt or offended about a player who insulted both the club and its fans.

 

[ohtottenham!]

I guess it just comes down to whether you believe he really was being naive and stupid, or whether he knew exactly what he was doing.

Like I said before, I'm not in favour of booing anyone and I'd like to move on. I'm just surprised by the number of our fans who seem to think that Rose is the innocent little lamb in all this and he's been totally stitched up by the Sun. We don't know for certain either way, but IMO it's far more logical for all sorts of reasons that he knew exactly what he was doing and was setting himself up for a big money move.

Either way, while he remains a Spurs player I hope our fans get behind him.

I've been in the camp of understanding his frustrations at the time he voiced them, but disliking the fact he went public in the way he did. You speak about it being logical that he knew exactly what he was doing, but really it was a dumb, naive move on his part, whatever the motivation, which means imo he didn't know what he was doing by going public. There were other better, more private, options for him to get "the big money move" you're talking about if that was what he wanted.

There are questions about other players' long-term commitments to the club, Alderweireld's contract and his agent making noises: who knows whether that's Toby setting himself up "for a big money move" or just wanting the best contract he can get out of Spurs. Smart strategy, but we don't know what Toby actually wants in the end. He hasn't gone public.

Rose did go public, and it was a dumb, stupid, naive move on his part, but it doesn't prove he's any more disloyal, or any less committed to Spurs than any other 1st team player! He was actually saying he wanted the club to sign better players...just like every Spurs fan on this board!

Imo, Rose is one of a few players we have, who gave and left everything on the park in every game they played. We all make dumb decisions in life, and think Rose has earned enough credit to give him a pass this time. He'll have an important role for us going forward.

 

[Hercules]

Sorry Hercules, all we know as fans is what Danny Rose said to the Sun... that's as far as our knoweldge on this situation goes, but its also a good source as it came out straight from the players mouth (well, with some filtering from the journos I guess).

I know you're ITK and all, but insulting fans and calling them ignorants from drawing fair conclusions from what the player actually said its way out of line I feel. There's nothing wrong or outlandish about fans being hurt or offended about a player who insulted both the club and its fans.

Nothing wrong with fans venting, it is to what level. I only respond from a point of defense when the criticisms gets out of hand. Furthermore, the club forgave and move on. The guy is in a challenging situation, and nowhere near playing by all accounts (opinions), and we act like this.

 

['O Zio]

I've been in the camp of understanding his frustrations at the time he voiced them, but disliking the fact he went public in the way he did. You speak about it being logical that he knew exactly what he was doing, but really it was a dumb, naive move on his part, whatever the motivation, which means imo he didn't know what he was doing by going public. There were other better, more private, options for him to get "the big money move" you're talking about if that was what he wanted.

There are questions about other players' long-term commitments to the club, Alderweireld's contract and his agent making noises: who knows whether that's Toby setting himself up "for a big money move" or just wanting the best contract he can get out of Spurs. Smart strategy, but we don't know what Toby actually wants in the end. He hasn't gone public.

Rose did go public, and it was a dumb, stupid, naive on his part, but it doesn't prove he's any more disloyal, or any less committed to Spurs than any other 1st team player! He was actually saying he wanted the club to sign better players...just like every Spurs fan on this board!

Imo, Rose is one of a few players we have, who gave and left everything on the park in every game they played. We all make dumb decisions in life, and think Rose has earned enough credit to give him a pass this time. He'll have an important role for us going forward.

Sorry mate, I misunderstood what you meant earlier about being naive and dumb. I thought you meant that he'd sat down for a nice innocent chat with the Sun and the next thing you know they've stitched him up completely.

If you mean it was naive and dumb to try and force a move by coming out publicly with everything he said then I agree with you.

 

[ohtottenham!]

Sorry mate, I misunderstood what you meant earlier about being naive and dumb. I thought you meant that he'd sat down for a nice innocent chat with the Sun and the next thing you know they've stitched him up completely.

If you mean it was naive and dumb to try and force a move by coming out publicly with everything he said then I agree with you.

Think you're getting me confused with another poster. I've never mentioned the Sun and kept out of this thread 'cause of the silly stuff about Danny Rose. I was just responding to your post.

 

[Giovanni]

At the end of the day, injured or not; Rose is the best left back in the League.

Just like Toby is one of the best Centre Backs - why should'nt they be paid on par with the best players in the league?

It's not our or their fault that first Chelsea, then Man City, changed the money game in English football. If anything, it's the football governing bodies weakness in controlling these clubs and the men that fund them.

At least now, it's not just Man UTD steamrollering everyone else financially and the money actually gets shared around the clubs that little bit more.

Because they are all overpaid its really that simple. How much is john stones on? Tobys 3 times the player but do we pay him 3 times the amount?
We stick to our blu print at least until the stadium is built and even then whilst we pay more we will be sensible.
If we lose a player or 2 along the way ( say 1 x first teamer every year or 2) then levy will get a bomb for them (there isnt a single player in our first 11-14 that would go for less than 30m minimum) and we will get stronger by investing wisely. If say for example alli wanted out for the sake of more money then levy would get 150m min and we could get pulisic + another of similar profile and that will make us stronger right?

In time it will all pay off because if we keep building like so then in the end we will be so strong that we will win the trophies and be a elite club.