Player Watch: Erik Lamela

[SpursDave88]

As I move on to explain, in subsequent posts, I think there are a handful of players battling to be the 4th, 5th, 6th best Spurs player of the season, and Lamela is in that bracket. As is Eriksen, as is Bentaleb. Yes, they all haven't produced the exact same stat, but from a birds eye view, that's how the season looks like to me.

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but yours is not based in reality.

Lamela is in no sense competing with Eriksen to be considered the fourth best Spurs player this year, and your starting point of making the bucket 4th-6th is arbitrary.

If anything Eriksen, along with Kane, Lloris and possibly Rose has been amongst our best 4 players and is competing to be our 2nd best player this season.

Lamela has had a clearly lesser impact than any of the players I have just listed. In fact I would consider ranking Lamela as our 7th best player extremely generous.

Kane, Lloris, Rose, Eriksen, Chadli, Bentaleb, even Dier have all had far more positive contributions to the team this year.

Lamela has flopped this season...hopefully next year if he stays he will improve.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but yours is not based in reality.

Lamela is in no sense competing with Eriksen to be considered the fourth best Spurs player this year, and your starting point of making the bucket 4th-6th is arbitrary.

If anything Eriksen, along with Kane, Lloris and possibly Rose has been amongst our best 4 players and is competing to be our 2nd best player this season.

Lamela has had a clearly lesser impact than any of the players I have just listed. In fact I would consider ranking Lamela as our 7th best player extremely generous.

Kane, Lloris, Rose, Eriksen, Chadli, Bentaleb, even Dier have all had far more positive contributions to the team this year.

Lamela has flopped this season...hopefully next year if he stays he will improve.

With your last sentence, you manage to render your post unfounded in reality, too. I guess we're square, then.

 

[jezz]

So you take two specific examples, small sections of the season, like the first three and most recent three games and give those more weight in your analysis than the much larger sample of all our other matches in which Eriksen has been so much more valuable that to even make such a comparison is laughable.

Burnley and Villa were really laughable and those were massive games.
It's called form and it's relevant.
I'm not dismissing Eriksen contribution far from it.
But the system we play means we have to defend and attack as one unit.
What happens when Eriksen doesn't score?
What else does he do?
Hes weak in the tackle and not very good at tracking back.
I think he's a great talent with a lot to learn.
Don't dismiss another players contribution because there not scoring all the time.
There work ethic especially in the current managers game is seriously underated on this forum.

 

[dudu]

Burnley and Villa were really laughable and those were massive games.
It's called form and it's relevant.
I'm not dismissing Eriksen contribution far from it.
But the system we play means we have to defend and attack as one unit.
What happens when Eriksen doesn't score?
What else does he do?
Hes weak in the tackle and not very good at tracking back.
I think he's a great talent with a lot to learn.
Don't dismiss another players contribution because there not scoring all the time.
There work ethic especially in the current managers game is seriously underated on this forum.

I also think that some players work rates are often overstated.....

who's are heat map A B and C from first half vs Southampton (easy enough to work out) and tell me who's workrate appears to be the most busy?

A

B

C

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

I also think that some players work rates are often overstated.....

who's are heat map A B and C from first half vs Southampton (easy enough to work out) and tell me who's workrate appears to be the most busy?

A
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B

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C

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Is that positioning, or where they touched the ball?

I'm assuming its where they had possession...

 

[dudu]

Is that positioning, or where they touched the ball?

I'm assuming its where they had possession...

Sure, every event in the half that was physically dictated by them ie. pass,tackle, block,

 

[millsey]

Anyone read back to the beginning of this thread before Lamella signed? the whole place was creaming themselves about him saying god if we get him for 40 million it will be a bargain, we are going to challenge for the league! Those YouTube clips do come out misleading don't they....

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Anyone read back to the beginning of this thread before Lamella signed? the whole place was creaming themselves about him saying god if we get him for 40 million it will be a bargain, we are going to challenge for the league! Those YouTube clips do come out misleading don't they....

I'm still optimistic!

 

[dudu]

I'm still optimistic!

An absolute pre-requisite for the Cult of Bobby!

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

An absolute pre-requisite for the Cult of Bobby!

Indeed! Although I know Bobby isn't going to work out as a top striker for us. But doesn't mean I can't respect his footballing ability that he has evidenced in patches, his attitude and him. I really like the guy and he isn't a bad striker.

Lamela on the other hand I feel is going to be a top player for us and certainly hasn't been as shit as people say or as amazing as peopled hoped.

 

[dudu]

Indeed! Although I know Bobby isn't going to work out as a top striker for us. But doesn't mean I can't respect his footballing ability that he has evidenced in patches, his attitude and him. I really like the guy and he isn't a bad striker.

Lamela on the other hand I feel is going to be a top player for us and certainly hasn't been as shit as people say or as amazing as peopled hoped.

That i understand....you are an optimist and I respect that- in a way im a little jealous - I am predominantly a realist and I dont have the confidence you do because the evidence is not there to convince me just yet!

 

[E17yid]

That i understand....you are an optimist and I respect that- in a way im a little jealous - I am predominantly a realist and I dont have the confidence you do because the evidence is not there to convince me just yet!

Evidence, smevidence.

Rose was absolute dog shit last year. There wasn't any evidence to suggest he was going to have a season like he has this year

Football, and sport in general, is funny like that.

There's no evidence whatsoever, IMO, to suggest that your realistic outlook is in any way more realistic than Tibsy's so called optimisitic one.

None of us have got crystal balls. Sure evidence can point towards one outcome but you can never be sure if that will be the case.

 

[dudu]

Evidence, smevidence.

Rose was absolute dog shit last year. There wasn't any evidence to suggest he was going to have a season like he has this year

Football, and sport in general, is funny like that.

There's no evidence whatsoever, IMO, to suggest that your realistic outlook is in any way more realistic than Tibsy's so called optimisitic one.

None of us have got crystal balls. Sure evidence can point towards one outcome but you can never be sure if that will be the case.

Obviously no one can tell the future.

Im not saying im right - im just stating that i look at things based on what i see not what i feel -

Tibsy 'Feels' lamela is going to be a top player for us - his gut is telling him so..... its a notion based on a feeling he has.

Im basing my view not on a feeling but on what i have seen. That doesnt mean i dont want him to succeed and i will certainly support him hoping he does so - just that i dont expect it.

Sure, every player has the potential to get better and improve and impress - some, like Walker seem to have the potential to loose their edge.

 

[yankspurs]

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but yours is not based in reality.

Lamela is in no sense competing with Eriksen to be considered the fourth best Spurs player this year, and your starting point of making the bucket 4th-6th is arbitrary.

If anything Eriksen, along with Kane, Lloris and possibly Rose has been amongst our best 4 players and is competing to be our 2nd best player this season.

Lamela has had a clearly lesser impact than any of the players I have just listed. In fact I would consider ranking Lamela as our 7th best player extremely generous.

Kane, Lloris, Rose, Eriksen, Chadli, Bentaleb, even Dier have all had far more positive contributions to the team this year.

Lamela has flopped this season...hopefully next year if he stays he will improve.

Uhh, about Eriksen, he hasnt had a good game since like January, at least. Maybe even December. I dont know, but it's been a WHILE since he actually had a good game.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Obviously no one can tell the future.

Im not saying im right - im just stating that i look at things based on what i see not what i feel -

Tibsy 'Feels' lamela is going to be a top player for us - his gut is telling him so..... its a notion based on a feeling he has.

Im basing my view not on a feeling but on what i have seen. That doesnt mean i dont want him to succeed and i will certainly support him hoping he does so - just that i dont expect it.

Sure, every player has the potential to get better and improve and impress - some, like Walker seem to have the potential to loose their edge.

When I said 'feel', perhaps I should have said:

'I think he will become atop player for us based on bits that I have seen this year'

I didn't realise there would be a discussion of semantics based around my vocabulary and quickly typed words...

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but yours is not based in reality.

Lamela is in no sense competing with Eriksen to be considered the fourth best Spurs player this year, and your starting point of making the bucket 4th-6th is arbitrary.

If anything Eriksen, along with Kane, Lloris and possibly Rose has been amongst our best 4 players and is competing to be our 2nd best player this season.

Lamela has had a clearly lesser impact than any of the players I have just listed. In fact I would consider ranking Lamela as our 7th best player extremely generous.

Kane, Lloris, Rose, Eriksen, Chadli, Bentaleb, even Dier have all had far more positive contributions to the team this year.

Lamela has flopped this season...hopefully next year if he stays he will improve.

Totally agree, i mean Lamela isn't even getting into the starting lineup enough to be even considered as good as any of the regular starting eleven. He's as good as any other player on the bench this season, and nothing better. To place him ahead of anyone playing in front of our back four is quite honestly ludicrous.

 

[dudu]

When I said 'feel', perhaps I should have said:

'I think he will become atop player for us based on bits that I have seen this year'

I didn't realise there would be a discussion of semantics based around my vocabulary and quickly typed words...

haha, this is a forum where the words you use are all you have Tibsy. The two sentences are in fact quite different and i dont think it is that far fetched to think someone on an internet forum may take your words at face value - what else is there to go on.

I guess in terms of what you 'really' said one has to ask how you can be so confident with such minimal evidence to go on?

You must think Chadli is going to be a 50million plus player?

 

[Gbspurs]

I think he's been largely dire and the only reason for keeping him will be that they struggle to get rid. Horrendous signing.

I'm disappointed and not a fan but he is still young. Who's to say he doesn't go on a crazy Bale-esque development spike over the next few season?

The good points about Lamela is they he isn't afraid of the seeking out the ball and trying (even though at the moment the end result is crap every time) and his attitude seems good. When he is dropped you don't here crap from his agent etc

 

[Shadydan]

Evidence, smevidence.

Rose was absolute dog shit last year. There wasn't any evidence to suggest he was going to have a season like he has this year

To be fair there was, he has shown this kind of level when he played at Sunderland and those few games under AVB before he got injured, it was clear last season when Tim came in he lacked direction just like many other players last season.

 

[Flashspur]

i wish we would just sell Lamela so I dont have to keep reading these retarded hate posts on this thread....problem solved compadres!

Write a letter, email or send old fashioned telegram to THFC lads, addressed to M Pochettino Esq.

Please sell Lamela STOP He is fucking usless STOP Cant run, cant pass STOP has a terrible haircut STOP add specific dislike, rage, animosity, abuse etc etc