Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

[ralvy]

i didnt say lloris isnt capable of making spectacular saves, i said he doesnt come up with clutch saves when we need him the most. That's why I didnt critisize the soft goals he conceded at Everton. They were irrelevant.

I dont expect a keeper to bail us out every game, but it's unrealistic to expect a football club to be able to dictate play all the time. They are going up against highly skilled professional on a weekly (daily) basis. Sometimes we are going to come under the kosh, it's a fact of life. Could we and should we have done better as a team against wolves, in a perfect world yes. But it'll be equally nice if we could rely upon our club captain to every so often save the day. (which he doesnt have to do that much at all.)

I watched the same wolves team play against Liverpool at the begininig of this festive period. And absolutely batter Liverpool at times in the first half. They were on top of them creating chances and forcing turnovers just like they did in our game. But Allison bailed them and came up with key stops that gave them a chance.

But he does exactly than, and quite often actually.

Last season he had a MOTM performance at the Bernabeu (the very same match which kinda raised our profile all over the world). This season, at the top of my head, I remember him making important saves when the game was on the balance against the likes of Manu, wolves (away), Cardiff, Palace and West Ham.

I'm afraid you really need to start paying more attention. Lloris may not be able to bail us out always, but he still does it quite often.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

good input lads, can you please tell me why I'm wrong at least?

I'll have a bash

i didnt say lloris isnt capable of making spectacular saves, i said he doesnt come up with clutch saves when we need him the most. That's why I didnt critisize the soft goals he conceded at Everton. They were irrelevant.
Clutch? Seriously? Stop it! Until today I'd never heard that rubbish but that's just me
I dont expect a keeper to bail us out every game, but it's unrealistic to expect a football club to be able to dictate play all the time. They are going up against highly skilled professional on a weekly (daily) basis. Sometimes we are going to come under the kosh, it's a fact of life. Could we and should we have done better as a team against wolves, in a perfect world yes. But it'll be equally nice if we could rely upon our club captain to every so often save the day. (which he doesnt have to do that much at all.)
So every time we lose it's because the goalkeeper didn't 'save the day'? Basically, that's what you're saying. That's unrealistic at best and doesn't take into consideration a number of factors not least that the whole team were piss poor. I have no idea where this idea that a goalkeeper should be put under such unforgiving and intense scrutiny after a loss comes from. In fact if you go through the last few match threads, even the resident nutters in there have praised a few of his saves during the game so he does in fact 'save the day' on occasion.

I watched the same wolves team play against Liverpool at the begininig of this festive period. And absolutely batter Liverpool at times in the first half. They were on top of them creating chances and forcing turnovers just like they did in our game. But Allison bailed them and came up with key stops that gave them a chance.
At no point did Wolves 'absolutely batter' Liverpool. They had a brief spell or two where they were on top (as you might expect from a decent team playing at home) and could have scored but by and large and in all honesty, Liverpool coasted that game. Allison made routine saves, possibly one good save, that's all

There you go. I'm sure you won't agree

 

[SugarRay]

I don’t know many people who rate him. Obviously the average fans opinion means nixy but not a single mate of mine thinks he’s anything special anymore.
All they tend to see are the goals conceded, plenty which look soft.

 

[allpaths]

I'll have a bash

There you go. I'm sure you won't agree

that's shocking because it's an extremely common sports term. To each there own, but imo it's a perfectly valid area to judge a player's quality. It's why despite Drogba's good, but not mind blowing scoring record, he is regarded as a legend at Chelsea, because he scored some of the biggest most important goals in club history. Goals that are simply more important than your average goal. Hugo doesnt make the biggest saves in club history.

But he does exactly than, and quite often actually.

Last season he had a MOTM performance at the Bernabeu (the very same match which kinda raised our profile all over the world). This season, at the top of my head, I remember him making important saves when the game was on the balance against the likes of Manu, wolves (away), Cardiff, Palace and West Ham.

I'm afraid you really need to start paying more attention. Lloris may not be able to bail us out always, but he still does it quite often.

I dont want to argue over individual performances, because they can be subjective. Youre unquestionably correct about the RM, Palace and West Ham performances. The others you mentioned I'd put it more down poor finishing(United), routine saves(Cardiff) and running out of time(Wolves) more than a top draw important save. But lets agree to disagree.

I could also say that hugo has let us down in 3 big games this season. PSV (red card), Barca (coutinho's goal) and against Man City (Mahrez's goal). All of these goals/mistakes, had the potential to be season destroying and preventable on Hugo's part.

I also could go onto the countless soft goals he's given up against Arsenal, Chelsea and city in recent years that have cost us dearly and have contributed greatly to the a lot of lost sleep on my end over what could have been. But please dont make me go down that dark road.

To finish, I don't think he's a bad kepper in general. I also believe the abuse he gets about his distrubtion is flat out ignorant, but I also do believe if we are to forefill our potential for winning trophies and titles as a club he must raise his game.

 

[nedley]

When you have 10 outfield players like pussies pointing at each other to take the ball, no keeper in the world is going to bring any difference. That includes Hugo Lloris, captain of Tottenham Hotspurs, and

Are you referring to yesterday?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

that's shocking because it's an extremely common sports term. To each there own, but imo it's a perfectly valid area to judge a player's quality. It's why despite Drogba's good, but not mind blowing scoring record, he is regard as a legend at Chelsea, because he scored some of the biggest most important goals in club history. Goals that are simply more important than your average goal.
.

I've no argument with the theory but it's the application of it in this instance. Plus the word 'clutch'

 

[ebzrascal]

Am I the only one who thinks Lloris should have saved all those goals yesterday?

 

[ebzrascal]

Am I the only one who thinks Lloris should have saved all those goals yesterday? personally I think we should be looking to replace him he is not as good as what City and Liverpool have.

 

[Lilbaz]

But he does exactly than, and quite often actually.

Last season he had a MOTM performance at the Bernabeu (the very same match which kinda raised our profile all over the world). This season, at the top of my head, I remember him making important saves when the game was on the balance against the likes of Manu, wolves (away), Cardiff, Palace and West Ham.

I'm afraid you really need to start paying more attention. Lloris may not be able to bail us out always, but he still does it quite often.

Thought lloris was excellent v bournemouth.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Am I the only one who thinks Lloris should have saved all those goals yesterday?

When Gazzaniga plays in the cups I don’t feel as worried as I used to. I don’t think we lose that much with our second choice keeper. Loris is good but he’s not among the very best, never has been.

 

[E17yid]

When Gazzaniga plays in the cups I don’t feel as worried as I used to. I don’t think we lose that much with our second choice keeper. Loris is good but he’s not among the very best, never has been.

I think he was 2-3 years ago. A definite top 5 goalie. Now, not sure he makes the top 10 but I’m no GK expert.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Are you referring to yesterday?

more like almost every match, we need luka modric

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

that's shocking because it's an extremely common sports term. To each there own, but imo it's a perfectly valid area to judge a player's quality. It's why despite Drogba's good, but not mind blowing scoring record, he is regarded as a legend at Chelsea, because he scored some of the biggest most important goals in club history. Goals that are simply more important than your average goal. Hugo doesnt make the biggest saves in club history.


I dont want to argue over individual performances, because they can be subjective. Youre unquestionably correct about the RM, Palace and West Ham performances. The others you mentioned I'd put it more down poor finishing(United), routine saves(Cardiff) and running out of time(Wolves) more than a top draw important save. But lets agree to disagree.

I could also say that hugo has let us down in 3 big games this season. PSV (red card), Barca (coutinho's goal) and against Man City (Mahrez's goal). All of these goals/mistakes, had the potential to be season destroying and preventable on Hugo's part.

I also could go onto the countless soft goals he's given up against Arsenal, Chelsea and city in recent years that have cost us dearly and have contributed greatly to the a lot of lost sleep on my end over what could have been. But please dont make me go down that dark road.

To finish, I don't think he's a bad kepper in general. I also believe the abuse he gets about his distrubtion is flat out ignorant, but I also do believe if we are to forefill our potential for winning trophies and titles as a club he must raise his game.

True, i agree, Man City must sell Ederson because that piece of sht lost two?, three ?games for Man City.

He was also useless vs an average lyon side in the champions league letting in 5 goals over two legs.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

that's shocking because it's an extremely common sports term. To each there own, but imo it's a perfectly valid area to judge a player's quality. It's why despite Drogba's good, but not mind blowing scoring record, he is regarded as a legend at Chelsea, because he scored some of the biggest most important goals in club history. Goals that are simply more important than your average goal. Hugo doesnt make the biggest saves in club history.


I dont want to argue over individual performances, because they can be subjective. Youre unquestionably correct about the RM, Palace and West Ham performances. The others you mentioned I'd put it more down poor finishing(United), routine saves(Cardiff) and running out of time(Wolves) more than a top draw important save. But lets agree to disagree.

I could also say that hugo has let us down in 3 big games this season. PSV (red card), Barca (coutinho's goal) and against Man City (Mahrez's goal). All of these goals/mistakes, had the potential to be season destroying and preventable on Hugo's part.

I also could go onto the countless soft goals he's given up against Arsenal, Chelsea and city in recent years that have cost us dearly and have contributed greatly to the a lot of lost sleep on my end over what could have been. But please dont make me go down that dark road.

To finish, I don't think he's a bad kepper in general. I also believe the abuse he gets about his distrubtion is flat out ignorant, but I also do believe if we are to forefill our potential for winning trophies and titles as a club he must raise his game.

The last goal against barca in the loss was lloris fault too. That was a very poor game for him.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Am I the only one who thinks Lloris should have saved all those goals yesterday?

The outfield mistakes is what caused the goals yesterday, but agree he could of done better. The first was a goal 9 times out of ten with any keeper, but agree he was a bit lame for 2 and 3, though again it was a team error.

Ive felt for a while though that he is past his peak. He's not a bad keeper but he's not outstanding anymore. He's got mistakes in him, but maybe it's things on his mind, or that he has relaxed winning the biggest prize in football, a final which he made another boo boo.

People mention his balloon d'or placing, but if he doesn't win the world Cup I don't see the votes for him.

We can see that he set high standards but he is not living up to them. Time for Gazzaniga to be given a run. He never deserved to be dropped in the first place.

 

[isaac94]

worse keeper out of all the top 6 clubs in my opinion

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

worse keeper out of all the top 6 clubs in my opinion

He's a far, far better keeper than Leno mate. I'd still have him above Kepa too.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Plus the word 'clutch'

'Mericans...

amirite?

 

[ralvy]

I dont want to argue over individual performances, because they can be subjective. Youre unquestionably correct about the RM, Palace and West Ham performances. The others you mentioned I'd put it more down poor finishing(United), routine saves(Cardiff) and running out of time(Wolves) more than a top draw important save. But lets agree to disagree.

I'm not really talking about the performances, I'm talking about the big time saves he made in all of those games. That's what you were asking from him, and I'm showing you he has already been providing those this season. I mean, you're basically accusing him for not being able to provide extraordinary saves yesterday, that's like turning against Son or Dele for not scoring a couple of worldies yesterday.

And I simply brought up the Bernabeu performance because a CL game at the Bernabeu is about as clutch as it gets in football, and he played a masterful game in that occasion. So I just wanted to show you that it's inaccurate to say he isn't clutch or whatever.

I could also say that hugo has let us down in 3 big games this season. PSV (red card), Barca (coutinho's goal) and against Man City (Mahrez's goal). All of these goals/mistakes, had the potential to be season destroying and preventable on Hugo's part.

Yeah, he has made some mistakes as well (though I don't understand how anyone can blame him for the Mahrez goal). If you want a GK who doesn't make a few mistakes each season, may I suggest you start looking at the robot factory?

I also could go onto the countless soft goals he's given up against Arsenal, Chelsea and city in recent years that have cost us dearly and have contributed greatly to the a lot of lost sleep on my end over what could have been. But please dont make me go down that dark road.

Look, I'm sure a lot of goals look soft from your arm chair, but that doesn't mean they are actually soft.

To finish, I don't think he's a bad kepper in general. I also believe the abuse he gets about his distrubtion is flat out ignorant, but I also do believe if we are to forefill our potential for winning trophies and titles as a club he must raise his game.

I don't really think he needs to raise his game that much. Bar a couple of exceptions, whenever we need Hugo to deliver a strong and solid performance, he does it. But if you're expecting him to deliver game saving, extraordinary saves each time our game falls completely apart, then I should warn you that no keeper is going to be able to live up to such high standards.

 

[Hotspur33]

This seems all a bit like, Liverpool signed a new keeper and they are top of the league, so we need a new keeper.

Hugo is more than good enough for us.