Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

[mpickard2087]

Shot stoppers are great but with our high line we need a sweeper keeper. Someone who is rapid and brave off his line. There aren't many that fit our style of play like Hugo does. Poch won't abandon the high press and defensive line, so it's pointless speculating about anyone that can't play like Hugo does.

Tbh, and it's been said before on here, but he was much more proactive off his line under AVB. I cant lie, I much preferred that version (some of his sweeping up and positioning and where he would claim the ball was majestic) than the one that Poch has reined in a bit. If anything he's slightly hesitant these days.

 

[DCSPUR]

Bullshit. I've not seen anyone saying "fuck Hugo, chuck 'im out." We're all just discussing a drop in performance, same as we have done with countless other players.

i didn't say anyone said "f hugo" but you need to re-read this thread if you don't think that there is a lack of loyalty to him.
Shouldn't be surprised, we have our fair share of hypocritical fans who cry at the idea of players wanting to leave but have no loyalty when stalwarts have a drop in form. We have seen it this season with Alli, Dier, Dembele and now Hugo.
So, yeah, I stand 100% by my statement and I suspect your OTT reaction is because it you know it has validity.

 

[RicOfPeace]

Funny the amount of people crying for loyalty over Lloris (who had made a lot more mistakes than Gomes did) but couldn't wait to get shot of a goalkeeper who carried us into the champions league when we had a shit defence and Lloris makes more mistakes than Gomes did with perhaps the best defence we have had since the 60's.
Hugo Lloris the most overrated goalkeeper in the premier league.

 

[tommyt]

Funny the amount of people crying for loyalty over Lloris (who had made a lot more mistakes than Gomes did) but couldn't wait to get shot of a goalkeeper who carried us into the champions league when we had a shit defence and Lloris makes more mistakes than Gomes did with perhaps the best defence we have had since the 60's.
Hugo Lloris the most overrated goalkeeper in the premier league.

Over here! Look at me...

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

 

[fluffybunnyuk]

This reminds me of the Tony Parkes discussion in early '83 on the terraces. Despite having a lovely 3d photo thing on my bedroom wall of him I didnt think he was all that. He came good later on though!!! Clemence was my hero, i had his book n gloves and played in goal, and pretended i was him saving shots.
We are Tottenham ... We dont do bad keepers. LLoris will do nicely until Gazza comes of age. I'm sure Gazza is Poch's' long term piece of the puzzle for the position.

 

[ralvy]

Funny the amount of people crying for loyalty over Lloris (who had made a lot more mistakes than Gomes did) but couldn't wait to get shot of a goalkeeper who carried us into the champions league when we had a shit defence and Lloris makes more mistakes than Gomes did with perhaps the best defence we have had since the 60's.
Hugo Lloris the most overrated goalkeeper in the premier league.

What the fuck did I just read?

 

[dagraham]

Gotta love this place. There's no middle ground to be found. Lloris is either an untouchable god for which criticism is banned and we ignore his quite poor season or he's worse than Gomes .

Fact is although Gomes was capable of amazing saves, the ball was like a bar of soap to him. No such handling problems for Hugo.

Having said that, I've always had an issue with his kicking despite the stats saying otherwise and not always directly resulting in a goal. And his errors this season can't just be put down to the odd game. He's had a poor season and the fact that he still makes some great saves can't hide that. All decent keepers make great saves, that's their job. Keepers are judged on their mistakes though and if Hugo carries on making more and more errors then he will rightly come under more scrutiny.

 

[JonnySpurs]

I've made no secret of how I view Hugo at the moment, I've said in the ratings threads that whilst he is still a top keeper and he can make some unbelieveable saves, there are other parts of his game that are limited and actually seem to be in decline as he's getting older - which is fair understandable in many ways.

What concerns me is that some fans on here are seemingly excusing his poor performances and errors because he used to be elite and he stuck around when times were tough. Sorry but there's no room for sentiment in the game at this level. We all love Hugo but at the very least, it is time to start looking for another younger keeper that can challenge for his position.

I will repeat (before the knives come out), I am not suggesting he be dropped or immediately replaced. However, if Vorm is to leave in the summer and we only have Gazza as backup then IMO there is room to find another GK that can come in and really push Hugo. It's worked for our full backs and it could work the same for Lloris.

I would love nothing more for him to prove me wrong and have a stormer next season but I'm not sure I see it happening. 5 errors leading to goals this season is not good enough. 2nd only to Cech who is on the verge of retirement, or certainly should be.

 

[Bobbins]

Garth Crooks has labelled Lloris’ recent performances as “diabolical”.

Somewhat harsh.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Tbh, and it's been said before on here, but he was much more proactive off his line under AVB. I cant lie, I much preferred that version (some of his sweeping up and positioning and where he would claim the ball was majestic) than the one that Poch has reined in a bit. If anything he's slightly hesitant these days.

That sums up the problem. Lloris just needs to get even braver.

 

[mpickard2087]

I'm not sure how popular this will be, and I didn't do it specifically to dig him out I promise, but I thought I'd go through the games because I was a bit unsure about how many errors there had been, via a combo of memory/match reports/video/ratings threads, and it's not great reading this season. Obvious errors I'd say have been:


Chelsea (H) - Late winning goal beats him from a ridiculous angle.

Liverpool (H) - Through ball that should be claimed, in a previous life he'd have been on it without a thought, instead rooted to his line and goal is scored.

Arsenal (A) x2 - Personally thought he was slow and/or made to look silly on both goals. There's at least one error here.

Stoke (H) - Gifts them a late consolation goal flapping at a corner.

Southampton (H) x2 - Errors for both goals. Fluffs saving a shot, and flaps at a corner.

Chelsea (A) - Somehow completely misjudges a cross.

Stoke (A) - Makes a hash of sweeping up.


I'd make that 8 or 9 errors for goals. The official stats if anything are being a bit nice to him.

And there are other games such as Dortmund (A), Man Utd (A), Liverpool (A), Juventus (H) and maybe even WBA (H) and West Ham (H) where he's either made errors unpunished (Utd) or people have criticised some of what he has done eg. going to ground too early and leaving too much of the goal to aim at, and they probably have a point in some cases, but I felt were too subjective to include.

Also note the number of 'big' games there, something that was starting to be noted last season as well (for example the two howlers against Man City).


This post started just purely to try and tally up this season for my own benefit, and of course it doesn't mention the many good things he will have done over the course of a season, but I don't think it's unfair for him to be criticised based on looking back at how his season has gone. These haven't just been mistakes in one area either, there's been shot-stopping ones, aerial mistakes, sweeping up mistakes, etc, and silly ones at that. I think it's hard to argue that there hasn't been a little drop in standards and you do expect a bit more from him given his class, and that he is the captain, senior player, and should be leading from the front - especially on the biggest occasions.

 

[longtimespur]

This post started just purely to try and tally up this season for my own benefit, and of course it doesn't mention the many good things he will have done over the course of a season, but I don't think it's unfair for him to be criticised based on looking back at how his season has gone. These haven't just been mistakes in one area either, there's been shot-stopping ones, aerial mistakes, sweeping up mistakes, etc, and silly ones at that. I think it's hard to argue that there hasn't been a little drop in standards and you do expect a bit more from him given his class, and that he is the captain, senior player, and should be leading from the front - especially on the biggest occasions.

He'll concede a heck of a lot more if he's doing that as well

 

[ralvy]

Funny the amount of people crying for loyalty over Lloris (who had made a lot more mistakes than Gomes did) but couldn't wait to get shot of a goalkeeper who carried us into the champions league when we had a shit defence and Lloris makes more mistakes than Gomes did with perhaps the best defence we have had since the 60's.
Hugo Lloris the most overrated goalkeeper in the premier league.

Heurelho, is that you?

 

[TEESSIDE1]

I don’t get the Lloris criticism, the ‘apparent’ error against Stoke wasn’t even that bad. What did he do wrong? Came out, used his usual left foot only for the ball to fortunately ricochet into the path of partially conscious Diouf allowing him to score before collapsing. What would you rather he did? follow through on Diouf and a) risk getting a red card and/or b) risk getting seriously injured?

 

[DanielCHillier]

I don’t get the Lloris criticism, the ‘apparent’ error against Stoke wasn’t even that bad. What did he do wrong? Came out, used his usual left foot only for the ball to fortunately ricochet into the path of partially conscious Diouf allowing him to score before collapsing. What would you rather he did? follow through on Diouf and a) risk getting a red card and/or b) risk getting seriously injured?

Things are going well and people need something to moan about, it's the same in the Kane thread, people getting angry that he's claiming the second goal against Stoke.

 

[Damian99]

Not sure how Sanchez goes unpunished in the Stoke goal - totally ball watching - Undone by a simple ball and run in behind the defence - He was also a little deeper than the others - Hugo should have cleaned up, but make no mistake its handball and the ricochet could really have gone anywhere.

 

[fortworthspur]

Hugo's demise has been greatly exaggerated in my opinion. yes he's been a little below his usual standard this season but he is still very good. Its easy to point out his errors but there really isnt a stat that measures the things he does that other keepers cant or a stat that measures how many chances he snuffs out by coming off his line. cut the guy a break.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Things are going well and people need something to moan about, it's the same in the Kane thread, people getting angry that he's claiming the second goal against Stoke.

MoD, they showed the replay over and over and you can’t say hand on heart whether he did or didn’t touch it, therefore criticising him is ridiculous. It’s no different to cricket when batsmen get the faintest of nicks on the ball... video replays don’t show it but audio shows the faintest of noises implying the bat hit the ball.

 

[Trix]

Things are going well and people need something to moan about, it's the same in the Kane thread, people getting angry that he's claiming the second goal against Stoke.

Some have been spoilt mate, and they are acting like it. No one at the club is beyond criticism but talking about replacing first XI players when they hit a poor run of form is ridiculous.