Player Watch: Nabil Bentaleb

[tiger666]

I would. I haven't seen a player of ours react so aggressively towards a referee call, wrong or right. And he is not the first player to have such debut.

If we follow your logic we shouldn't judge how good he is based on one performance against a team like Southampton, as it might be the result of being "full of adrenaline and nerves" as you put it. I'm sure he is being told many times about how important is to keep a good composure when getting a bad call against him, and there are plenty of good examples how costly during a game that could be, so how come he remembered all he was thought by his coaches about how to pass, dribble and move without the ball, but forgot about the possible consequences of his own behavior?

I'll tell you why, he conceded a foul in a dangerous area, so having a little drama go at the ref was a way to switch the blame.

Wat

 

[Khilari]

He played 45 minutes. Came on in the 50th minute and there was 5 minutes stoppage time

I don't think that changes the point I was making, but many thanks for correcting the number of minutes he was on the field.

Interestingly on 101 they posted a feature on him and a YouTube vid

 

[BorisTM]

Similar in some ways. In less than 90 minutes of football though he showed his passing is superior to that of Dembele's imo.

here is the statistics from the game -

http://epl.squawka.com/southampton-...-2013/english-barclays-premier-league/matches

i'm looking at them and of what I see Dembele's one is better.

here is the video of Bentaleb for the Southampton's game



I know how well Dembele plays as I have seen almost every game he is been since we signed him, Bentaleb is a very good player but to say his passing is superior or heck even that Dembele should have a seat on the bench (as some people are excitedly suggesting), is stretching it quite a bit.

P.S. you have posted the same video as I was typing my response.

 

[dagraham]

here is the statistics from the game -

http://epl.squawka.com/southampton-...-2013/english-barclays-premier-league/matches

i'm looking at them and of what I see Dembele's one is better.

here is the video of Bentaleb for the Southampton's game



I know how well Dembele plays as I have seen almost every game he is been since we signed him, Bentaleb is a very good player but to say his passing is superior or heck even that Dembele should have a seat on the bench (as some people are excitedly suggesting), is stretching it quite a bit.

P.S. you have posted the same video as I was typing my response.

here is the statistics from the game -

http://epl.squawka.com/southampton-...-2013/english-barclays-premier-league/matches

i'm looking at them and of what I see Dembele's one is better.

here is the video of Bentaleb for the Southampton's game



I know how well Dembele plays as I have seen almost every game he is been since we signed him, Bentaleb is a very good player but to say his passing is superior or heck even that Dembele should have a seat on the bench (as some people are excitedly suggesting), is stretching it quite a bit.

P.S. you have posted the same video as I was typing my response.

Well, it is only one game, so it is probably to early to make snap judgements but I don't need to see the stats to come to the conclusion that Dembele doesn't warrant his place in the team at the moment. I'm not saying he should be dropped for Bentalab though.

I've also seen pretty much all of Dembele's games since he joined and even during his early time at the club when he was playing far better than he is now his passing was competent at best.

 

[yankspurs]

I don't think that changes the point I was making, but many thanks for correcting the number of minutes he was on the field.

Interestingly on 101 they posted a feature on him and a YouTube vid

Oh no, it doesnt. I didnt mean it that way. Just meant to say he actually played the equivalent of a full half.

 

[SpursManChris]

He had a pretty good game when he came on, passed well, didn't give it away.

 

[matthew.absurdum]

He had a pretty good game when he came on, passed well, didn't give it away.

Some forward passes do surprise me, very talented

 

[Flashspur]

I would. I haven't seen a player of ours react so aggressively towards a referee call, wrong or right. And he is not the first player to have such debut.

If we follow your logic we shouldn't judge how good he is based on one performance against a team like Southampton, as it might be the result of being "full of adrenaline and nerves" as you put it. I'm sure he is being told many times about how important is to keep a good composure when getting a bad call against him, and there are plenty of good examples how costly during a game that could be, so how come he remembered all he was thought by his coaches about how to pass, dribble and move without the ball, but forgot about the possible consequences of his own behavior?

I'll tell you why, he conceded a foul in a dangerous area, so having a little drama go at the ref was a way to switch the blame.

I remember Sherwood being a tough and sometimes aggressive player in MF for Blackburn and us and mixing it up with the United and Arsenal midfield's in his day. He was pretty aggro with ref's as well. Maybe be likes what he sees in the lad.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

I would. I haven't seen a player of ours react so aggressively towards a referee call, wrong or right. And he is not the first player to have such debut.

If we follow your logic we shouldn't judge how good he is based on one performance against a team like Southampton, as it might be the result of being "full of adrenaline and nerves" as you put it. I'm sure he is being told many times about how important is to keep a good composure when getting a bad call against him, and there are plenty of good examples how costly during a game that could be, so how come he remembered all he was thought by his coaches about how to pass, dribble and move without the ball, but forgot about the possible consequences of his own behavior?

I'll tell you why, he conceded a foul in a dangerous area, so having a little drama go at the ref was a way to switch the blame.

Tbh it's quite nice to have a player of ours show a bit of aggression towards the ref. It annoys me when we've had really soft free kicks go against us or had bad calls generally, we just meekly accept it, that goes for the fans at home games now to. No pressure on refs to give us anything over teams and fans that get on top of them. I want to see a lot more of it.

 

[SpursManChris]

Look. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against him. But as much as Nabil has had a good start, I don't think he should be coming on over Capoue considering the money we spent on him. I was very annoyed that this happened against Southampton AND West Brom and I think this shows that Sherwood has a bit of a love affair with the man which I'm worried might get in the way. It's great that Sherwood has faith in him, but he must not let it get in the way of selecting other more experienced players. Holtby was also forced to remain benched by Bentaleb don't forget. Bentaleb over both Capoue AND Holtby? I don't like that.

 

[beats1]

Look. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against him. But as much as Nabil has had a good start, I don't think he should be coming on over Capoue considering the money we spent on him. I was very annoyed that this happened against Southampton AND West Brom and I think this shows that Sherwood has a bit of a love affair with the man which I'm worried might get in the way. It's great that Sherwood has faith in him, but he must not let it get in the way of selecting other more experienced players. Holtby was also forced to remain benched by Bentaleb don't forget. Bentaleb over both Capoue AND Holtby? I don't like that.

If bentaleb has done better than those two in training, then isnt that fair enough to play him over those two

 

[tiger666]

Look. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against him. But as much as Nabil has had a good start, I don't think he should be coming on over Capoue considering the money we spent on him. I was very annoyed that this happened against Southampton AND West Brom and I think this shows that Sherwood has a bit of a love affair with the man which I'm worried might get in the way. It's great that Sherwood has faith in him, but he must not let it get in the way of selecting other more experienced players. Holtby was also forced to remain benched by Bentaleb don't forget. Bentaleb over both Capoue AND Holtby? I don't like that.

All that matters to me is who plays the best, not how much they cost. You don't play players just because of their price. If Bentaleb has shown in training that he should play, then he deserves to play.

 

[mpickard2087]

All that matters to me is who plays the best, not how much they cost. You don't play players just because of their price. If Bentaleb has shown in training that he should play, then he deserves to play.

Exactly, and if this is the case, attention should then turn to the person who forked out all this money for these players when we already had young players at the club who could fill a squad spot...

 

[Krafty]

If Sherwood thinks Bentaleb is more likely to perform better in the role Tim wants him to perform, then so be it. From what I've seen he looks a very accomplished player, to be honest I think he has performed as well as Capoue although obviously its easier to do so in 30 minute sub appearances than over a whole 90 minutes.

It might also give Capoue a little break, chance to refresh the mind and the like.

 

[SpursManChris]

If bentaleb has done better than those two in training, then isnt that fair enough to play him over those two

All that matters to me is who plays the best, not how much they cost. You don't play players just because of their price. If Bentaleb has shown in training that he should play, then he deserves to play.

how much can you really tell from training. Look, if he's shining leaps and bounds above Holtby and Capoue in training, then sure play him if Sherwood is convinced he'll be more effective than the other two, but seriously, we've more than hinted already this season at our team not gelling and now we're here putting a newby ahead of 2 players who have been playing with the other players for the entire season. It just doesn't seem like the wisest choice.

 

[tiger666]

how much can you really tell from training. Look, if he's shining leaps and bounds above Holtby and Capoue in training, then sure play him if Sherwood is convinced he'll be more effective than the other two, but seriously, we've more than hinted already this season at our team not gelling and now we're here putting a newby ahead of 2 players who have been playing with the other players for the entire season. It just doesn't seem like the wisest choice.

I see your point but the counter argument is, what's the point of having a youth setup if you don't give the youngsters a chance? I'm not sure there is a right or wrong answer, it's just different opinions.

 

[SpursManChris]

It might also give Capoue a little break, chance to refresh the mind and the like.

A break? Are you serious? Oh yeah, because he's played so much for us!

 

[SpursManChris]

I see your point but the counter argument is, what's the point of having a youth setup if you don't give the youngsters a chance? I'm not sure there is a right or wrong answer, it's just different opinions.

Give the youngsters a chance? That's obviously a wonderful idea, provided your season is going according to plan. Is experimenting the wisest thing to do in our current situation?

 

[tiger666]

Give the youngsters a chance? That's obviously a wonderful idea, provided your season is going according to plan. Is experimenting the wisest thing to do in our current situation?

Again, the counter argument is. If you wait until your season is "going to plan", they may never get a chance. If you do give the youngsters a chance, you may discover a gem who will increase the future chances of your season going to plan.

 

[SpursManChris]

Again, the counter argument is. If you wait until your season is "going to plan", they may never get a chance. If you do give the youngsters a chance, you may discover a gem who will increase the future chances of your season going to plan.

but has that ever happened to any team?