Possible Change of Captain?

[ERO]

Hugo is a leader, and doesn't need an armband to be one. The captain's armband is for the most part just a piece of clothing. For the relevant, formal part - talking to the referee once in a while, it's best suited for an outfield player. I've always supported the idea of giving it to a player who will thrive under it, who would prosper from the feeling of responsibility or just from a boost of the ego. A true leader is not reliant on it to lead. E.g. Edgar Davids rarely had a captain's armband throughout his career.

 

[Kendall]

Hugo is a leader, and doesn't need an armband to be one. The captain's armband is for the most part just a piece of clothing. For the relevant, formal part - talking to the referee once in a while, it's best suited for an outfield player. I've always supported the idea of giving it to a player who will thrive under it, who would prosper from the feeling of responsibility or just from a boost of the ego. A true leader is not reliant on it to lead. E.g. Edgar Davids rarely had a captain's armband throughout his career.

I agree with you, but normally, the captain plays.

This is less about Lloris needing to be declared captain but more about making sure the manager isn't backing himself into a corner by having to pick a captain who simply isn't up to it.

 

[StartingPrice]

The appointment of Kaboul and Ade was an attempt give them some responsibility and improve them.
Was IMHO never a long term thing.

Kaboul I wouldn't be sure of (and certainly wasn't at the time), but with Ade, I always felt was this may be the case. Some players totally change when given some responsibility - especially in the senior years or their careers.

But, there again, I have been suggesting for a while now that maybe, ironically given the propensity for reading too much into things on here, that their may be deeper currents swirling than some folk realise at THFC ATM. The phrase I have used several times is that Poch is putting them in front of the headlights and seeing who blinks. He's smoking them out. He wants to see who really will have the heart to play the way he wants, and you don't really see that in a few pre-season strolls. Take Capoue, for instance: he looked to me exactly what Poch wanted on the pre-season tour - strong enough in midfield* and got the ball forward immediately without looking for a fellow midfielder to pass it to. *In pre-season - in ye reale Worlde he doesn't look interested in stepping up a gear, or putting the work in to do that. Would love to be proven wrong on that - ATM, it looks like InterTim is being proven right.

Think we will see quite a few big names going over the next few windows and quite a few promotions from the younglings - Pritchard (the Elder) seems ideal for a Pochettino midfield, IMHO.

 

[StartingPrice]

How Lloris the French national captain was not made our club captain is baffling considering there were absolutely no other stand out contenders and from my point of view none of the other players are guaranteed a start

I can only assume that he's off in the Summer (or earlier!!) so they didn't want to have to chop and change again

Here we see semiotics in action. A reader shapes meaning from a text by adding personal knowledge, experience and predilections LoL

There are other interpretations, SLY: maybe Poch, like myself, is one of those who prefers hos captains to be outfield players - I go further, I prefer the captain to be a central midfielder (preferably a gritty, hard-tackling midfielder), or, at a pinch, central defender. Maybe that is all there is too it. Maybe, as Steve has suggested, he was trying to galvanize them by giving them responsibility. Maybe Lloris is off in the Summer (or before) but that knowledge had no place in shaping Poch's decisions on this matter

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Vertonghen should have been made captain with Lloris vice captain from the get go.

 

[whitechina]

Vertonghen should have been made captain with Lloris vice captain from the get go.

Sorry I can't agree with you about Jan- on the pitch he can be fantastic but he appears to be a moody so and so. Not for me. Lloris for me.

 

[TropicalYid]

I think its no problem changing captains. Clearly Kaboul and Ade should be captain and vice-capt.
Leave them out for the next 6 weeks and when Levy ships them both of in january MP can make Hugo or walker captain.

 

[striebs]

Always reminds me of Mark Falco who scored 68 goals for us in 178 apps. A bit clumsy and not very sexy to watch but got the job done time after time

Wow , that brings back memories .

Clint banged in some important ones for us last season . It's not rocket science .

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Sorry I can't agree with you about Jan- on the pitch he can be fantastic but he appears to be a moody so and so. Not for me. Lloris for me.

I'd rather have a moody so and so than a clown.

 

[prawnsandwich]

I thought Kane was a bit of a donkey when i first saw him. But he does keep scoring. I wouldn't care if he scored face plant headers or deflections off his arse, if he does what soldado she Adebeyor don't, keep playing him i say.
He's clearly improving at a good rate, he could end up avery decent player.
Not sure yet what English striker I'd liken him to.
Shearer in the making maybe?

I actually do care how the goals are scored. I hated the Crouch goals deflected in off his shoulders and arse.
Harry is a classy player who can score all types of goals and I can't remember many scrappy ones.

 

[WestBelfast Spurs]

what happened with Kaboul I seem to have missed it, could someone fill in the blanks?

 

[robin09]

what happened with Kaboul I seem to have missed it, could someone fill in the blanks?

The rumour is in the ITK thread about an alleged falling out within the squad.

 

[shelfmonkey]

I think he has to eat Kane's if that happens.

Post match.

Post vindaloo would be more entertaining

 

[whitechina]

I'd rather have a moody so and so than a clown.

Lloris a clown?

 

[WestBelfast Spurs]

The rumour is in the ITK thread about an alleged falling out within the squad.

cheers just read it our club is a bad episode of eastenders

 

[Mullers]

Kaz and friends discuss how to eat Harry Kane's undies:

I haven't watched The Hobbit but that clip made me want to watch the whole film now.

 

[The General]

I'm not sure I believe the Adebayor and Kaboul dropped because of a falling out with the manager, but it would be a classic management ploy to show everyone who is boss. Classic Mourinho, he does it everywhere he manages.

I would make Lloris captain. Forget about vice captains. Vertonghen would be my captain when Lloris isn't in the team.

 

[kungfugrip]

There was logic in Kaboul being captain at the beginning due to the apparent respect and being a leader in the dressing room. This has backfired though due to his underwhelming performances, and perhaps even more if the ITK is to be believed. But lets not vilify him without knowing the facts there.

I agree that we should have a change though, however much it might piss of an individual- I'm sure someone like Kaboul could have it explained to him.

And simply, Lloris is our best player and hugely respected with a great attitude. He is captain material.

Then you either give the Vice captaincy to Walker/Verts- or go a bit radical and give it to Mason/Kane. Not that they are our best players-but it would give someone who would feel real pride in being that position. Gauge the crowd, know what is wanted, 100% effort, I still think some refs strangely prefer interacting with the British players.

Yep, but in terms of vice-captain you always want them playing......will Kane/Mason be in the team after the January window?

 

[robin09]

I think the notion of captains and vice captains is missing the point. Every player should have that responsibility of being a leader.

So I suggest all 11 players are captains. What we do, is every player shakes hands with the opposition captain at the same time. So each player shakes one finger of the oppo captains two hands, and our last player who doesn't have a finger to shake, gives the oppo captain a kiss on the lips. Probably Lloris should do that. Cos he's French.

 

[Blackcanary]

I'd rather have a moody so and so than a clown.

He was a great and very dedicated captain at Ajax. I wish Poch had focused more on 'boosting' Jan with some responsibility than Ade. At least Jan has prior in being able to lead a team. Ade is always going to be...well, Ade.