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[recklessyido]

Sounds good.. if its true which I would think so with Ramos at the helm, should sort the boys from the men.

 

[Andy]

Yep. People were saying things about my mother etc and when I hit back I would get a warning/ban. lol. So now I generally am a pessimistic poster on here. The down side is when people who have never seen my old threads wonder why I am a jerk all the time.

Kick a dog enough and he is going to chew your slippers

If my dog chewed my slippers then i'd kick it up the arse and turn it into one :wink:

 

[ever]

my crutch slipped of my arm well i was trying to stroke my dog, it bounced of his head, he wasnt impressed but on the upside hes kinda scared of my crutches now

 

[gibbs131]

If my dog chewed my slippers then i'd kick it up the arse and turn it into one :wink:

I have a pet bunny and little fuzzy things. If I kicked them every time they chewed something I would have hobbit feet.

 

[thetallaghttiger]

making them train 3 times a day - Juande is the man!

 

[lukespurs7]

don't know what to read into this whole fitness thing but if this is true then it is good news and we may well finally get a good start to the season which we haven't had in ages.

 

[SpurSince57]

Doubt he's a believer.

Surely it falls under the fitness coach. Whoever that was at the time.

No, it falls—or should fall—within Comolli's remit. The canteen isn't there solely to service the needs of the first team squad, it's for the reserves and academy players too. So, unless we slip them a few bob and send them down the chippy, or expect their mums to provide them with a packed lunch, it's not down to the coach/manager. The fact that Ramos has decided to make it his business is irrelevant—except that his decision to impose his regime (which I have no problem with, BTW) has been very cleverly spun by the club's PR department to 'prove' to the punters that Jol was totally incompetent and needed replacing. And, of course, it's worked—witness the truly hilarious and original pie jokes.

In fact, given what's been said by Malouda and Arteta it's highly doubtful that what was on offer at our canteen was any different from that at Chelsea and Everton, and probably most EPL clubs.

Have we noticed any real evidence of increased fitness over 2006-2007? Or is it like the higher defensive line some claimed to see shortly after Ramos took over, that didn't actually exist? (Or if it did, didn't exist for very long.) What we have seen is a lack of bottle, a lack of fight, except, perversely, against the best opposition. Some people are very fond of citing our lame opening game against Sunderland; we spent most of the second half of the reverse fixture grimly defending a one-goal lead, and no neutral would have begrudged the Mackems an equaliser.

So for me it's not physical fitness that's the issue. It's attitude and mentality. Some of the players have let down both our managers, and us. I don't want to hear Jenas talking the talk and then failing to walk the walk on the pitch. I don't want to hear Zokora telling me that he thinks the players are 'a bit tired'. I don't want excuses for a string of pisspoor performances against sides that, with all due respect to them, we should be beating every time.

It was bad enough listening to the crap we turned out on the radio. If I'd spent an appreciable percentage of my income on actually going to the Lane I'd be totally fucking incandescent.

 

[Real_madyidd]

So gibbs, how come doesn't Alverez gos all the credit for this? He is the fitness coach.

 

[SelbYido]

SS57 - excellent post! :up:

The only bit I disagree with a bit is the bit about players talking to the press - the players are surely required to do interviews & expected to say positive things. I know, Jenas/Zokora/whoever could also be more consistent but whether the were playing good, bad or indifferent, you can bet your last quid that they'll be saying the same thing in every interview.

Just as you said the players are likely to have been briefed re: the new fitness & dietry regime, surely they have also been briefed as to how they should talk up our prospects as well. If you don't want to hear PR gubbins from a PL club, to quote a famous bounder, "Hard cheese, old boy..." :shrug:

 

[badajozjim]

I remember Ramos saying in an interview inthe Spainsh press that he was amazed at how much junk food was at the canteen, not to mention sweets, I'm sure this doesn't happen at other clubs, about time it stopped here too. 3 sessions a day, well they need it and maybe we won't run out of puff at the end of the game and let goals in.

 

[SpurSince57]

Jenas was well known for handing out the jelly babies at training. But it depends on your definition of junk food, doesn't it? If you're a 'My body is a temple'-type health fiend all kinds of stuff that might seem OK could get ruled out. Arteta and Malouda both said they were shocked at what their team-mates were tucking into, and I remember reading something about Bianchi being surprised at the City players tipping pints down their necks. We English, let's face it, eat far more crap than continentals as a general rule, and Spaniards, by and large, have a particularly healthy diet—as I'm sure you're aware, living there!

There was also a TV item about Comolli a while back (I think it was a report about academies) in which the cameras went into the canteen. As I recall, what was on offer looked pretty OK—certainly no pies in sight!

If it all works, it's fine by me—I just disliked the spin put on it. The other obvious point that many seem to be missing is that the canteen food is only part of it—there's not much point in having a healthy lunch there and then going home and sending out for a giant-size pizza!

 

[gibbs131]

So gibbs, how come doesn't Alverez gos all the credit for this? He is the fitness coach.

Eh?

He has been with us less than a year?

 

[Bobishism]

No, it falls—or should fall—within Comolli's remit. The canteen isn't there solely to service the needs of the first team squad, it's for the reserves and academy players too. So, unless we slip them a few bob and send them down the chippy, or expect their mums to provide them with a packed lunch, it's not down to the coach/manager. The fact that Ramos has decided to make it his business is irrelevant—except that his decision to impose his regime (which I have no problem with, BTW) has been very cleverly spun by the club's PR department to 'prove' to the punters that Jol was totally incompetent and needed replacing. And, of course, it's worked—witness the truly hilarious and original pie jokes.

So for me it's not physical fitness that's the issue. It's attitude and mentality. Some of the players have let down both our managers, and us. I don't want to hear Jenas talking the talk and then failing to walk the walk on the pitch. I don't want to hear Zokora telling me that he thinks the players are 'a bit tired'. I don't want excuses for a string of pisspoor performances against sides that, with all due respect to them, we should be beating every time.

No. It would fall under the fitness coach. They're the guys that deal with the fitness of the squad.

What PR spin? A couple of reports from the papers saying how Robinson and Hudlestone were told to lose weight? Or the mischievously conceived plan of changing the players diet? Fiends. I never saw anything on the official site about diet changes. Or was this PR spin solely aimed at the selection of football fans that read the smallest columns in newspaper magazines?
Now if you all hadn't been so gay for Jol, no one would have ended up crying over his sacking. cue loyalty claims. The board replaced a competent manager, and a probable great assistant manager, with a fantastic one. The fantastic manager changed the diets and a couple of papers thought to make a story out of it. - my take anyway.

Also I agree with the poor commitment of players, but i can hardly blame them. The clubs employed lazy, half-arsed players (and probably coaches) for quite some time. Unfortunately we really don't have that Champions attitude teams like United and Arsenal instill in their players. Hopefully the new signings (and pre-season) will change the mentality of the squad. Hopefully we'll really start to see the consistent potential of some of our players i.e repeated performances like Tottenham/Arsenal in the Carling Cup.

 

[SpurSince57]

Comolli's remit covers the academy, scouting, secretarial departments and things medical. In a sports context, that will include diet. Are you seriously suggesting that he was at the club for two years and failed to notice that completely inappropriate food was being dished up? Or that if he did, he did nothing about it? What utter piffle.

No, you wouldn't have seen anything on the official site about changes to diet. Where you saw it, unless you happen to be blind, stupid and illiterate, was spread all over the sports pages, being gleefully lapped up not only by supporters of other EPL teams but various dimbulbs on here, who were only too happy to jump on the Jol-bashing bandwagon. Which was the general idea. We've had this shit ever since Ramosgate, through the press and ITKs. Perhaps you should see if Donna Cullen wants an assistant.

 

[Bobishism]

Comolli's remit covers the academy, scouting, secretarial departments and things medical. In a sports context, that will include diet. Are you seriously suggesting that he was at the club for two years and failed to notice that completely inappropriate food was being dished up? Or that if he did, he did nothing about it? What utter piffle.

was spread all over the sports pages, being gleefully lapped up not only by supporters of other EPL teams but various dimbulbs on here, who were only too happy to jump on the Jol-bashing bandwagon. Which was the general idea. We've had this shit ever since Ramosgate, through the press and ITKs. Perhaps you should see if Donna Cullen wants an assistant.

Examples please. Lots of examples please.

1. Comolli's no more responsible for player diets than Donna Cullen is. Get a grip man.

2. It was reposted and reposted on here. There were a few articles, that varied between player X being instructed to lose weight with the story of the diet change. You just read what you wanted to read.

And how many members of this board actually gave a shit? And to the small percentage that did, how would fan anger affect anything? It's not like they'd start a protest. No one was going to cancel any sky packages. Starting a smear campaign would be completely illogical and pointless.

Newspapers believed it would sell stories about how the mystical new foreign manager would spark a white hart lane revolution. A nice page filler. Probably worked too.

3. Why would the club need any support for Ramos? They did the hard part in kicking out Jol. There's no logical reason for it.

The only spin i saw were the times when Ramos was talking about a lot being to play for, which was obviously bullshit. We had nothing to play for after he won the cup. (something that Jol never could do. smug gloating)

 

[SpurSince57]

:stupid:

Why waste time when a smiley will do?

 

[Bobishism]

Why not link some articles as examples of PR?

GOT NONE? Yeah. I thought so.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Eh?

He has been with us less than a year?

Sorry, I mean about the new fitness regime. Surely you are exclusively going to give credit to Alvarez, in the same way you pointed the finger squarely at Hughton.

 

[SpurSince57]

Are you really so stupid that you persist in claiming that Comolli has no responsibility for diet? Apparently, yes. And your earlier claim that it was the responsibility of the fitness coach (whoever that was) clearly absolves Jol. Or didn't you realise that? Do you imagine that Comolli never once, in two years, looked into the cafeteria, and thought, 'Oh my God, what are we feeding them?' It seems that you do.

What do you imagine Comolli does? A glorified chief scout? I think it's you that needs to get a grip.

 

[idlepete]

"It is not a particularly strict diet. It is quite a nice diet. Sometimes it allows them to eat and drink totally out of control.'' ~ Juande Ramos