Premier League 2022/23

[TheChosenOne]

One last cup final for us ..
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[TheChosenOne]

Table
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[Monkey boy]

Please please please let Leicester and Everton get relegated. That would at least make this season worthwhile.

 

[TheChosenOne]

 

[BoringOldFan]

Update on the Ivan Toney story:

The FA has published a detailed explanation of the 232 betting rule breaches committed by Brentford striker Ivan Toney, leading to an eight-month ban.

Here is a breakdown:

• Of the 232 bets, 126 were on matches in a competition the team Toney was playing for at the time were eligible in during that season.
• 29 of those bets involved a club Toney was representing.
• Toney bet on his own team to win 16 times in 15 different matches of which he played 11.
• Toney also made 13 bets on his own team to lose seven matches between 22 August 2017 and 3 March 2018. He didn’t play in these matches.
• Of the 13 bets, 11 were against Newcastle while he was on loan at another club. The others were on a game between Wigan, who he was playing for at the time, and Aston Villa.
• 15 bets were on Toney to score in nine different games in which he played. All were initiated at a time when it would not be public knowledge whether he was playing or not.
• Six bets on matches not involving Toney.

So rather more than an occasional lapse. I wonder what his team mates he bet on to lose think of him now?

 

[BoringOldFan]

BBC follow up:

Brentford striker Ivan Toney was given a reduced ban from football because of a diagnosed gambling addiction. Earlier this month Toney was banned for eight months after he accepted breaking Football Association betting rules.

A psychiatry expert who gave evidence to the FA's regulatory commission diagnosed Toney with a gambling addiction and concluded he needed professional help. As a result, the commission reduced his 11-month sanction by three months.

In its written reasons explaining its sanction, published on Friday, the commission said Toney had admitted repeatedly lying during his initial interviews with the FA. It added he had since ceased gambling on football, though not on other sports, and is "determined to address his gambling problem with therapy".

 

[easley91]

Why oh why was he allowed to play while this was being investigated?

 

[Marty]

Update on the Ivan Toney story:

The FA has published a detailed explanation of the 232 betting rule breaches committed by Brentford striker Ivan Toney, leading to an eight-month ban.

Here is a breakdown:

• Of the 232 bets, 126 were on matches in a competition the team Toney was playing for at the time were eligible in during that season.
• 29 of those bets involved a club Toney was representing.
• Toney bet on his own team to win 16 times in 15 different matches of which he played 11.
• Toney also made 13 bets on his own team to lose seven matches between 22 August 2017 and 3 March 2018. He didn’t play in these matches.
• Of the 13 bets, 11 were against Newcastle while he was on loan at another club. The others were on a game between Wigan, who he was playing for at the time, and Aston Villa.
• 15 bets were on Toney to score in nine different games in which he played. All were initiated at a time when it would not be public knowledge whether he was playing or not.
• Six bets on matches not involving Toney.

So rather more than an occasional lapse. I wonder what his team mates he bet on to lose think of him now?

This really does paint everything in a different light. You can't be betting on games involving your teams, no matter what.

It really feels ridiculous that he was allowed to play on after he was charged given this evidence.

 

[Johnny J]

This really does paint everything in a different light. You can't be betting on games involving your teams, no matter what.

It really feels ridiculous that he was allowed to play on after he was charged given this evidence.

It's not good at all, but I have a lot more sympathy than many people on this. Gambling is everywhere in football and even without an addiction it can be easy for people to fall into a vicious cycle.

If he does indeed have a gambling addiction then he needs help, not an absurd level of punishment. The culture is to blame just as much as his own actions.

Again - I'm not saying he hasn't broken the rules or that there shouldn't be some level of punishment.

But football enables gambling and gambling is a blight - the shit that industry does is immoral and unethical.

Punish him, sure but eight months is too long for me and won't solve anything. The real problem will remain: the unhealthy relationship between football and gambling, a predatory and exploitative business that gets away with this because of the huge money it makes for a few people at the top.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

BBC follow up:

Brentford striker Ivan Toney was given a reduced ban from football because of a diagnosed gambling addiction. Earlier this month Toney was banned for eight months after he accepted breaking Football Association betting rules.

A psychiatry expert who gave evidence to the FA's regulatory commission diagnosed Toney with a gambling addiction and concluded he needed professional help. As a result, the commission reduced his 11-month sanction by three months.

In its written reasons explaining its sanction, published on Friday, the commission said Toney had admitted repeatedly lying during his initial interviews with the FA. It added he had since ceased gambling on football, though not on other sports, and is "determined to address his gambling problem with therapy".

Was therapy/counseling part of his ban? If the league were serious about this it should have been included to ensure Toney gets the help he needs.

 

[easley91]

Was therapy/counseling part of his ban? If the league were serious about this it should have been included to ensure Toney gets the help he needs.

I was thinking the same. Reduce the initial 11 month ban, but he goes to therapy or rehab. Doesn't read like that is the case to me, but could be wrong.

 

[Marty]

It's not good at all, but I have a lot more sympathy than many people on this. Gambling is everywhere in football and even without an addiction it can be easy for people to fall into a vicious cycle.

If he does indeed have a gambling addiction then he needs help, not punishment. The culture is to blame just as much as his own actions.

Again - I'm not saying he hasn't broken the rules or that there shouldn't be punishment.

But football enables gambling and gambling is a blight - the shit that industry does is immoral and unethical.

Punish him, sure but eight months is too long for me and won't solve anything. The real problem will remain: the unhealthy relationship between football and gambling, a predatory and exploitative business that gets away with this because of the huge money it makes for a few people at the top.

I mostly agree, but I have no sympathy for him gambling on games involving his own teams.
There are so many thousands of other events he could gamble on that avoiding his own teams ans leagues feels like a total no-brainer.

I know addicts don't think rationally but that seems so easy to avoid.

 

[Johnny J]

Was therapy/counseling part of his ban? If the league were serious about this it should have been included to ensure Toney gets the help he needs.

They want to make an example of him. Meanwhile, gambling companies continue to predate and expoilt vulnerable people, aided and abetted by the football industry.

 

[easley91]

And just because he wasn't in the squad or eligible to play, doesn't mean he couldn't have had an influence on his teammates for the games he bet on them to lose. Betting on random matches is one thing, betting on a different sport is one thing. However, betting on his own side to lose that many times? I feel for him and his addiction, but he went too far with it.

 

[Johnny J]

I mostly agree, but I have no sympathy for him gambling on games involving his own teams.
There are so many thousands of other events he could gamble on that avoiding his own teams ans leagues feels like a total no-brainer.

I know addicts don't think rationally but that seems so easy to avoid.

But that's the thing: if you're addicted you aren't thinking rationally. It's not like addicts have any level of self-control that makes them stop at any point an objective observer might flag.

However, betting on his own side to lose that many times? I feel for him and his addiction, but he went too far with it.

Of course he went too far, he has an addiction. That's what addiction means. It doesn't make sense to say "OK we understand some of your gambling behaviour is explained by your addiction, but this type of gambling behaviour is too far". That's illogical.

 

[GMI]

He’s not wrong but I always struggle with Pep moralising when you consider his employers..

Pep Guardiola ‘not optimistic’ that racism problem in Spain will improve

The Manchester City manager said La Liga should learn from the Premier League when it comes to tackling racism after the abuse directed towards Vinícius Júnior

www.theguardian.com

 

[Whazam]

He’s not wrong but I always struggle with Pep moralising when you consider his employers..

Pep Guardiola ‘not optimistic’ that racism problem in Spain will improve

The Manchester City manager said La Liga should learn from the Premier League when it comes to tackling racism after the abuse directed towards Vinícius Júnior

www.theguardian.com

Didn't he call white people "normal people" earlier in the season as well?

 

[muppetman]

In its written reasons explaining its sanction, published on Friday, the commission said Toney had admitted repeatedly lying during his initial interviews with the FA. It added he had since ceased gambling on football, though not on other sports, and is "determined to address his gambling problem with therapy".

What?

 

[Oscar22]

How does Micah Richards get more irritating every week, it’s like he’s trying to become more so…

 

[Yiddo100]

Bournemouth not there to just make up the numbers worryingly for Everton