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Well it would be better than having South Africa, Qatar, and Russia hosting it!!!!!
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Well it would be better than having South Africa, Qatar, and Russia hosting it!!!!!
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The problems with Qatar are pretty obvious, but I don't understand your issues with Russia or, in particular, South Africa? Why so angry?
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I don't think he likes change.
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What is wrong woth Russia? Do you watch the news? As a place to visit in partivular their capital isnt great. The atmosphere will also be poor. (Look at the recent Athletics championship) . It is also a very expensive place to visit. (Yes I have been)
South Africa was awful. Logistically a nighmare for fans. Alot of the host citys were and are dangerous places. The atmosphere was terrible. Remember those idiots blowing those stiupid plastic things? I do not remeber anything positive from 2010.
Copare this to Germany 2006. What a great 2 weeks that was. Great country to visit, the fans were made to feel welcome. the stadium and infrastructure fantastic. That is what the word cup should be like.
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But you're fine with:
- Brazil despite the fact that they are massively behind schedule and the infrastructure between cities is terrible, and Sao Paulo has one of the highest crime rates in the world;
- Argentina even though their economy went through the floor some time ago and hasn't really come back, not to mention the danger in many cities there;
- Ditto Spain with regards to the economy;
- Italy where English fans have been repeatedly attacked and racism is still a major problem in football;
Nice one
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But you're fine with:
simply because they are 'well known footballing nations'?
- Brazil despite the fact that they are massively behind schedule and the infrastructure between cities is terrible, and Sao Paulo has one of the highest crime rates in the world;
- Argentina even though their economy went through the floor some time ago and hasn't really come back, not to mention the danger in many cities there;
- Ditto Spain with regards to the economy;
- Italy where English fans have been repeatedly attacked and racism is still a major problem in football;
Nice one
Brazil, Argentina, Spain, and Italy over South Africa, Qatar, and Russia all day long.
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Well that seems like a fair and well reasoned argument.
Blackcanary
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You know where else will be expensive to visit? Brazil. Do you know where there's a lot of dangerous cities? Brazil.
Seriously, EVERYWHERE has its own problems as a host. It's a global game now and, if somewhere can arrange and hold a decent world cup, then they deserve to. Give them a chance!
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Your arrogance is your biggest downfall PB34. ANY country has the right to host the WC not just those deemed "elite" by you. If you can't handle the fact that developing countries will host this tournament then you shouldn't be watching the game period. Get rid of that first world attitude problem before you try debate me on whether or not my country hosted the WC properly. We did a damn good job and the only stadiums in England that are bigger than ours is Wembley so please, that argument is mute. The true football fans on this forum and those who actually traveled here for the cup will tell a completely different story to yours about how brilliant it was to be here during that time. You don't know what kind of unity this game brings to countries that are in trouble in other sectors. Our crime is the worst in the world, Our poverty is right up there and yet we still took the time to host a WC for fuck-ups like you who couldn't care less about us yet we give you better treatment and It fucking disgusts me that you think we did a shit job of it just because of one minor inconvenience.
You my friend know fuck all about the beautiful game of football and the fact that a simple piece of plastic can ruin the game for you proves that to all of us.
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Let's not get crazy. I think Syria 2014 could have been a tricky sell.
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Thank you Black canary for being the voice of reason in this thread and to the others with the same opinion as us. I live in South Africa so I know full well the dangers and by far this is probably the most dangerous country in the world to reside in when it comes to crime. That doesn't mean we did a bad job of hosting the world cup and it doesn't mean countries with similar problems ( Brazil ) can't either. If I can live in the danger zone 24/7 and still enjoy the football then so can anyone else. If you love football nothing and no one will stop you from watching a game. And I can guarantee that our social problems do not effect the stadiums/games in any way including with local football as well. One of the safest places to be in our country is actually at a football game. You could be sat next to a serial car-jacker and not know the difference cause the last thing on his mind is the crimes he commits or committing them against you. Just like you he's there to enjoy the game and nothing more. The problems PB34 mentioned are day to day problems for citizens that rarely spills over to tourists during a major event.
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Bit like how it is now, then...
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South Africa is less of a risk than Brazil tbh
The transport links are better
The infrastructure are better
Actually a Brazilian reporter was saying that Brazil could be potentially more dangerous than South Africa because unlike South Africa the transport links like trains, Buses and Airports arent there and traffic jams could make people easy target.
Actually the Airports in Brazil wont be improved in time and hence there is going to be major issues there as they will struggle to handle it, the trains have been scrapped after there wasnt enough time or money and some cities wont have them at all and the traffic is a major issue and Tim Vickery was saying how Rio is fucking huge and struggling with this at the moment let alone when thousands fans come over.
Despite what happens next year the Brazil world cup is a failure as they didnt deliver on what the bid originally stated and have ended up with a public funded World cup with the money mostly spent on football and fuck all else.
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Lilbaz
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Should be on a different continent every 4 years in order. Then each country in that continent should be eligable to bid.
The middle east deserve to get a tournament as do russia but qatar should have shared with abu dhabi and dubai and proper facilities should be provided for fans and for players. Indoor airconditioned stadiums and training grounds should be provided. Playing in winter is going to piss off everyone.
Also think there should be an independent selection committee. The current system is too open for abuse.
The middle east deserve to get a tournament as do russia but qatar should have shared with abu dhabi and dubai and proper facilities should be provided for fans and for players. Indoor airconditioned stadiums and training grounds should be provided. Playing in winter is going to piss off everyone.
Also think there should be an independent selection committee. The current system is too open for abuse.
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We did that and it was clear it didnt work and countries got it by default in the cases of South Africa and Brazil, the first one was a success whereas the second one has been a monumental disaster, the brazilian people dont want it and they feel lied to as the bid submitted wasnt very detailed but it did make some bold promises.
In every World Cup one major benefit has always been better infrastructure and etc. as a result. Whereas in Brazil because the lack of detail the promises of a train system has not and will not be delivered. For the world cup there will not be some world cup citied without any train service. Then you have a issue of Brazil clogged roads which are over capacity at the moment with same issue for their Airports, they wont be improved in time.
All of this happened because brazil knew they could get it on empty promises and on the back of every other bid in the continent not being possible or pulling out. So Brazil said 2/3's of the bid would come from the private sector to make those improvements listed above. You know what it didn't come and more importantly it came in over budget just to build the new stadiums as most of them were not even saveable. The Maracana is pretty much a new stadium despite being called a refurb.
Whats worse is billions is being spent on these games whilst people are getting kicked out of their homes because they are too close to the games and then the drug addicts are also being taken away during without any real help until recently which was a involuntary rehab program. To offset all this cost the Government is increasing the cost of living in the form of transport costs for in some ways a sub standard service. This is in a country where food cost have risen over 100% in a year though has gone down in the last month.
I feel like I have gone off point but switching imo was a bad idea but we just need to get over the fact there are alot of corrupt nations in football just like everything else in the world. I mean just watch the international Whaling commission to have insight of these third world nations that couldnt give a shit. I think thats enough of my rant, good night.
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The committee should have criteria that should have to be met:
Ability to deliver.
Safety (fans and players).
Will increase profile of the sport.
Infrastructure to cope.
Has the country held it recently?
Etc...
If no country for that continent can satisfy the criteria then it will be pushed onto the next continent and so on.
Also beats the world cup hasn't been held in brazil yet. There are always horror stories of stadiums not being ready etc... Wait until after before deciding it's a disaster.
As for people being kicked out of their homes, that's terrible!
Could you imagine if spurs did that to someone? Oh wait...
Ability to deliver.
Safety (fans and players).
Will increase profile of the sport.
Infrastructure to cope.
Has the country held it recently?
Etc...
If no country for that continent can satisfy the criteria then it will be pushed onto the next continent and so on.
Also beats the world cup hasn't been held in brazil yet. There are always horror stories of stadiums not being ready etc... Wait until after before deciding it's a disaster.
As for people being kicked out of their homes, that's terrible!
Could you imagine if spurs did that to someone? Oh wait...
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