Match Ratings Ratings vs APOEL

[Bus-Conductor]

So far this season Trippier has been woeful against bus parkers. We looked far more threatening against Swansea when Aurier came on

So last season didn't count?

We are not playing well so far at home are we? Not just about Trippier. Problems are the way Poch is setting us up right now our fb's are getting exposed.

We were much better with Trippier at RB last night than Aurier (who also wasn't great against West Ham)?

 

[ohtottenham!]

I think that's absolutely flawed logic. We absolutely mullered bus parkers at the end of last season and Trippier was a big reason why, superseding Walkers assist tally in a third of the games.

The point of Trippier is, unlike Walker, and to a slightly lesser extent, Aurier he has the composure and trust in his technique to not need as much time and space to deliver.

Walker couldn't beat a man anyway.

You have to define what you mean by "beat a man". Any oppo left sided wing attack would be well aware of 1. Walker's defensive strength and ability and 2. His attacking pace to get forward on the counter, which creates threat and space for our other advancing players. Having Walker and Rose on our flanks meant that even the best Prem teams would set up at least 10 yards back on their flanks. The defensive ability and simple pace of our FBs on the wings creates so much space for our AMs and forwards.

There's no question Trippier's a better crosser and distributor than Walker. But, if he doesn't get into the positions that count, it doesn't mean much. Aurier seems to have a mix of pace and ability on the ball, crossing etc., He's new to everything here, and he has a natural learning curve to deal with. It'll take time, but Poch's thrown him in the deep end, and he's done well, despite the sending off which he'll learn from. Even now, Aurier's a better choice than Trips against any of our main PL rivals.

 

[ohtottenham!]

Please explain why he's been poor against bus parkers this season then? Backwards and sidepasses en masse. He pings fantastic balls when he has time and space like yesterday for Harry's header and like against juventus.

You made the point about bus parkers versus teams that allow us space. Which teams allow us space in your view? I took that as the better teams which have attacking threat all over the park including their flanks. That's when Trips is at his attacking weakest, because he can't get forward enough!

Don't understand your point! He played against a bus parker yesterday and delivered when he was in his natural position, which is what he does.

Trips has been coming back from injury, we're also trying to blood in Aurier, which affects Trips game time, and we haven't had anything like our 1st team out. All reasons why he hasn't been as effective as he could be against the "bus parkers".

 

[jonnyp]

So last season didn't count?

We are not playing well so far at home are we? Not just about Trippier. Problems are the way Poch is setting us up right now our fb's are getting exposed.

We were much better with Trippier at RB last night than Aurier (who also wasn't great against West Ham)?

Last season just proves my point. 4 of his 5 assists came away from home where we always enjoy more space in general. His other assist at home was against watford where we won 4-0, can't really remember watford parking the bus.

 

[jonnyp]

You made the point about bus parkers versus teams that allow us space. Which teams allow us space in your view? I took that as the better teams which have attacking threat all over the park including their flanks. That's when Trips is at his attacking weakest, because he can't get forward enough!

Don't understand your point! He played against a bus parker yesterday and delivered when he was in his natural position, which is what he does.

Trips has been coming back from injury, we're also trying to blood in Aurier, which affects Trips game time, and we haven't had anything like our 1st team out. All reasons why he hasn't been as effective as he could be against the "bus parkers".

We enjoy far more space in our away games which is why we look much more threatening. Good teams generally gives us more space at home too, except Chelsea this season. Trippier didn't have a blinder then either.

 

[jonnyp]

You made the point about bus parkers versus teams that allow us space. Which teams allow us space in your view? I took that as the better teams which have attacking threat all over the park including their flanks. That's when Trips is at his attacking weakest, because he can't get forward enough!

Don't understand your point! He played against a bus parker yesterday and delivered when he was in his natural position, which is what he does.

Trips has been coming back from injury, we're also trying to blood in Aurier, which affects Trips game time, and we haven't had anything like our 1st team out. All reasons why he hasn't been as effective as he could be against the "bus parkers".

They were hardly bus parkers like Burnley and Swansea have been...

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Last season just proves my point. 4 of his 5 assists came away from home where we always enjoy more space in general. His other assist at home was against watford where we won 4-0, can't really remember watford parking the bus.

Just because they were away, doesn't make a difference, most of those assists were against teams that sat deep against us. Doesn't prove our pint at all unless you can demonstrate that the teams weren't parking a bus, which most teams did against us last year outside ManC.

 

[kaz Hirai]

I think that's absolutely flawed logic. We absolutely mullered bus parkers at the end of last season and Trippier was a big reason why, superseding Walkers assist tally in a third of the games.

The point of Trippier is, unlike Walker, and to a slightly lesser extent, Aurier he has the composure and trust in his technique to not need as much time and space to deliver.

Walker couldn't beat a man anyway.

Total nonsense

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Total nonsense

Not with the ball at his feet he couldn't.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Not with the ball at his feet he couldn't.

Looks like he can beat players to me

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Looks like he can beat players to me

Yeah great, six times in ten years, that really proves it. Get back to me when someone has trawled through Walker's career and put together the youtube of the million times he's tripped overt the fucking thing or declined to take a man on and just turn back instead.

 

[jonnyp]

Just because they were away, doesn't make a difference, most of those assists were against teams that sat deep against us. Doesn't prove our pint at all unless you can demonstrate that the teams weren't parking a bus, which most teams did against us last year outside ManC.

Of course it makes a difference. Why do we look better offensively away than at home? No difference last season. Go back and watch the matches against Watford and Hull.. His assists came AFTER we'd gone in the lead at a time when they weren't exactly "parking the bus".

There's nothing based on last season to support your argument what so ever. The only take-away you can objectively have is that he was good at assisting AFTER we had already taken the lead against two weaker teams away from home: Watford and Hull (last match of the season against Hull who had already been relegated) . His assist at home against Watford was when we were 3-0 up.

Anyway, I'm not gonna argue about it anymore. Let's just see in the next home game how it goes, if he plays.

 

[ohtottenham!]

Yeah great, six times in ten years, that really proves it. Get back to me when someone has trawled through Walker's career and put together the youtube of the million times he's tripped overt the fucking thing or declined to take a man on and just turn back instead.

And that someone should be you! 'Cause you've trawled through his career doing just that...seeing and magnifying any negative, and ignoring any positive. You're uniquely positioned to put together that youtube clip, BC. Just make sure you add some audio commentary...just to give us a laugh.

 

[ohtottenham!]

We enjoy far more space in our away games which is why we look much more threatening. Good teams generally gives us more space at home too, except Chelsea this season. Trippier didn't have a blinder then either.

Still don't get your point, and agree with BC here, a bus parker is a bus parker, home or away. Also, you keep talking about teams which give us "space", but you separate these from bus parkers. Can you be more specific? I'm not talking about one off games, but which teams are you talking about in the PL? And how does that benefit Trips?

 

[Dov67]

I hate chelsea. I know it has nothing to do with this thread but it needed to be said.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Of course it makes a difference. Why do we look better offensively away than at home? No difference last season. Go back and watch the matches against Watford and Hull.. His assists came AFTER we'd gone in the lead at a time when they weren't exactly "parking the bus".

There's nothing based on last season to support your argument what so ever. The only take-away you can objectively have is that he was good at assisting AFTER we had already taken the lead against two weaker teams away from home: Watford and Hull (last match of the season against Hull who had already been relegated) . His assist at home against Watford was when we were 3-0 up.

Anyway, I'm not gonna argue about it anymore. Let's just see in the next home game how it goes, if he plays.

Yeah, you're not going to argue about it anymore because it's a quack theory with very little tangible evidence to support it. Again, the vast majority of games we have taken a lead in, so having Trippier there to exploit that makes sense, and helps turn a lead into a winning margin. That's good. I doubt you have the first clue about Aurier's assists, when they've happened, against what type of teams, at what stage etc etc, yet you are happily claiming he'll be better in those circumstances.

Here's another piece of logic for you, someone with Aurier or Walker's pace is far less useful against a bus parker's deep block because they allow very little room in behind for them to use that pace, that is the raison d'être of the bus park, they are much more useful on the counter or in open games where they can use their pace to exploit space.

In bus park games crosses invariably come from deeper positions. Hence Trippier being potentially of more use, because his delivery from deeper positions, as we saw wonderfully last night, is better than Walker's and Aurier's.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I hate chelsea. I know it has nothing to do with this thread but it needed to be said.

Like ringing church bells on Sunday- just a fact of life

 

[Shadydan]

Im fine with Barkley in January.

Who we also can't rely on...

 

[Eric_s]

Lol I thought I was in The “Rating” thread. So long “Playing Bus Parkers” thread.

 

[fortworthspur]

Who we also can't rely on...

he doesnt have the injury record that Lamela does. And Lamela really isnt the same type of player as Eriksen and Barkley. We need a player who can play in the middle, retain possession and has an incisive quality to him.