ratings vs giro scousers

[Mr Pink]

Gomes 6 not much to do really, one good save
Hutton 6 good going foward and was pretty solid
Gallas 6 a few hairy moments but was good in the second half
Bassong 7 his pace was vital, some great challenges on Torres
Ekotto 6 in and out sort of performance
Lennon 7 looking better and is nearing top form, nice finish for the goal
Palacios 5 dire first half performance, much better in the second
Modric 8 yes he gave the ball away a bit, but was mesmerising with it
Bale 7 didn't see too much of the ball but when he did he was electric
Crouch 6 worked quite hard and won quite a bit, nice flick for Lennon
Defoe 6 lively and provided a nice spark, but missed the pen

Nowhere near our best and still won.

 

[walworthyid]

Ekotto's passing got us the goal and - I think - Defoe's disallowed one as well..Bassong was rock solid and more..

As well as Gareth's goal at the scum last week!

 

[jimtheyid]

Sandro was nothing short of unbelievable.

:rofl:

 

[garyhopkins]

Gomes 7
Hutton 7
BAE 6.5
Gallas 7
Kaboul 6.5
Lennon 7
Bale 7
Modric 7.5
Palacios 6
Crouch 6.5
subs
Defoe 6
Bassong 7.5

 

[Monkey Bastard Hands]

Hey I am saying what I saw, I saw Palacios having excellent 60min with far less mistakes than Modric, in fact I remember only one. I wouldn't think he was that fucking awful as the score was nil nil when I started watching. Yet look at his ratings.

Are you sure you weren't watching a DVD of game from a couple of years ago?!

Gomes 6
Hutton 7
Gallas 7
Kaboul 6 (he was doing fine until he got injured)
Ekotto 6 - decent game but was playing far too many long balls today. I know it was his long ball that set Lennon up, but the majority were just a waste of posession. He wasn't linking up with Bale as much today for some reason.

Bale 7
Modric 8
Palacios 5 - Inconsistent today, made some good tackles but wasn't getting stuck in like he used to and his passing is wayward too. Definitely needs the 'arry magic wand waved over him.
Lennon 8 - Great game today, nearly back to his best. Took the goal well.

VDV n/a
Crouch 6 - held the ball up well

Defoe 6 - Looking sharp but shouldn't be missing penalties like that.
Bassong 8 - His tackles on Torres arguably saved us the game today
Sandro n/a

 

[jonnyp]

Sgt Wilson 7 A few poor passes, and they were poor, should not blind everyone to the fact that he played his part today in doing what he has always done. He presses, harries and tackles and is just generally a nuisance to play against, but people only see a few admittedly poorly placed passes. And just a few stats for you, Palacios completed 40 out of 50 passes, not brilliant but hardly tragic, Modric completed 50 out of 58, he who can do no wrong Bale completed only 22 out of 35 passes. True WP should be completing a larger percentage of passes than the creators in the team, as generally he should be looking to be playing simple passes to the Modrics etc, and this he normally does.

Oh come on. I thought Palacios did really well against Werder but today he was woeful. He didn't press or hassle opponents enough and his passing was shite - and that's being kind.

Lay off the stats and actually put some context to his passes. They all either ruined an attack for us or gifted an attack to Liverpool. And it wasn't just a few passes, it was many passes - extremely basic passes that a PL quality player should make 99/100 times...

He kept it simpler in the second half and didn't do too much wrong, although he did manage to win some balls and then of course lose possession straight after because of dwelling on it too long or misplacing the pass. How anyone can award him a 7 after that performance is scary.

I'm all for supporting our players, I still support Palacios because I know there's a brilliant player in there, but let's at least be honest about the way he performed today.

He can do so much better.

 

[gregga]

Gomes: 7 - Some decisive saves and punches
Hutton: 6 - Good going forward but gives wingers too much space
Gallas: 7 - Starting to look like the leader we know he is
Kaboul: N/A
Ekotto: 6 - Reckless challenge on Kuyt, even if it wasn't a pen
Lennon: 8 - At the end of the day, he was the difference between the two teams
Palacios: 4 - Seriously appalling in the 1st half. It wasn't just the passing, he lost a couple of important 50/50s that he is in the team to win
Modric: 8 - Irrepressible
Bale: 7 - Some nice runs and crosses
VdV: N/A
Crouch: 7 - Important assist, and some decent hold-up play

Defoe: 5 - Poor penalty, needs to do better
Bassong: 8 - Thought he did brilliantly
Sandro: N/A

 

[Lanh]

I feel like you are shouting.

:rofl: Hope you had your ear defenders on then. :razz:

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The good, the bad, the ugly.

We saw something of each from both teams today. This game ebed and flowed and I'm sure for the neutral it was entertaining, but unless we start being coached to press the ball, work harder for each other and be a bit more tenacious as a team then every game is going to be the lottery that we keep seeing.

It is not just about the type of players we have, it is about instilling this ethic into every single player that wears the shirt day after day in every training session and pep talk.
We are the least combative/tenacious team that I have seen in the EPL so far. Stat of the day: Liverpool 35 tackles, Spurs 19.

We have to earn the right to be good. We will not ever win the EPL with this attitude.

This was another game that affirmed my belief that Modric must be played with more freedom than the CM role allows, especially in a 442. His ingenuity is what changed this game, and he must be unshackled. Lennon, for all the good things he did, still disapoints me for large periods. After a good first half he was anonymous until he scored. While VDV is out, push Modric in the VDv role and when VDV is back put Modric right and let him drift about a bit with two proper CM's behind.

Whilst Modric rarely lets us down in CM (and didn't today really) he isn't tenacious enough to compensate for just having one player who can actually press the ball ahead of the defence. It isn't his strength and it is a compromise of his abilities, which sees his forwards creative threat diluted. He was our best player today, but only when on the ball, not off it.

I'm a huge fan of Palacios, but that was a poor first half by his standards, but....and there is a but...without him our midfield would have got completely out fought today by a midfield which, until today, had looked very fucking average. Credit to him he didn't let it get to him, came out second half and did his thing.

Last shout Bassong. To come off the bench and play as well as he did was no mean feat against Torres. His speed and brain got us out of jail a couple of times.

Ratings:

Gomes 7.5 - No chance with the goal. Otherwise good.

Hutton 7 - OK.

Gallas 7.5 - Good game apart from sloppy error after a great bit of defending.

Kaboul 7 - Default mark. OK until departed.

Bassong 8 - Excellent game.

Ekotto 7.5 - Pretty good today I thought.

Lennon 7 - Tried hard, better first half, took his goal well. Sometimes he lacks intelligence and makes poor decisions on and off the ball (positions he takes up), sometimes he is a bit to lightweight and gets bullied out of it, but he kept at it and did work reasonably hard.

Palacios 6.5 - A poor first half, much better second and off the ball was our only real "presser".

AND THOSE FUCKTARD WANKERS THAT SARCASTICALLY CHEERED HIS NEXT GOOD PASS AFTER A COUPLE OF BAD ONES MAKE ME ASHAMED TO BE A SPURS FANS. PLEASE FUCK OFF AND SUPPORT SOME OTHER TEAM WORTHY OF YOUR UNSURPASSED ABILITY TO BE IGNORANT ****S.

Modric 8 - Got caught napping and nearly cost us dearer than any of Palacios's passes but was at the heart of most things good that we did. Our most important player.

Bale 6.5 - Some good Bale moments but it appears that the coaches are completely ignoring the defensive side of his game. There is no excuse for a player who has played LB to be all fire breathing Dragon going forward but puff the dragon going backwards. At times he has to play for the team and help Ekotto out much better.

Crouch 7 - worked hard.

Defoe 5 - Defoe has never been the solution to the deficiencies of Keane for me. Lightweight, easily blown off the ball and today managed to find every single way in the book to waste great chances. Why didn't he play Bale in just before half time ? Why does he do that shoot when there is a player standing in front of me thing ? Why is he still taking pens when he has missed his last 3 out 4 (god knows how many altogether) ? Why is he preferred to (the only slightly less disappointing) Pavlyuchenko ?
Answers on a postcard addressed to H's Golden Boy, Bournemouth.

 

[3Dnata]

Modric MOTM for me closely followed by Lennon.
The most impressive thing for me is that eventually Jamie Carragher will have to hang up his boots but thankfully we have a ready replacement in Skrtel who will bang in those vital goals.

 

[cnyy12]

Gomes-6-maybe could have been able to be a bit better positioned on the goal but generally not much to do, good punch at the end.

Hutton-7-Did well I thought
Kaboul-7-Not much to do but some good tackles
Gallas-7
BAE-6-A couple of mental errors but some good attacking play and decent defending i thought.
Lennon-8-did quite well, best game in ages.
Modric-7-some nice runs and created the first goal, but didn't help palacios out in trying to run the midfield, gave the ball away a few times and wasn't always positioned well defensively.
Palacios-5-It's already all been said, poor passing in the first half and worryingly poor in 50/50s.
Bale-7-Standard Bale game
VDV-n/a
Crouch-7.5-won some big headers in the end, probably should have won a few more fouls against carragher than the ref called.
Bassong-8-Did very well to catch Torres twice.
Defoe-5-lively but not sharp, has to do better from the spot-even if it had been on target reina would have gotten there.

 

[leffe186]

No poll?

Bassong for me, he was amazing today. I was a little worried he'd be a little unprepared but he was absolutely fantastic which raised questions about Redknapp again.

Modric was excellent for the goal, a very positive Bale-esq run but I can't remember him being that impressive overall, in fact you could argue that Crouch was in with a shout by setting up the winner and being denied a goal by a Pokemon. If it wasn't Bassong I'd probably pick Gallas or even Hutton

BTW, 16 points from a losing position this season (source)

Hi camaj,

Why does Bassong being fantastic raise questions about Redknapp? Don't take this too personally as I don't know what your general feeling is about Harry, but given the unbelievable amount of axe-grinding in the rest of the thread, is this another example?

I agree with you about Modric though. Will watch the game again, but I thought he was all right in the first half and pretty good in the second. Too many poor decisions made for my liking, but a decent performance overall. Bassong a better choice for MOTM because of the pressure on him.

Thought Palacios wasn't half as bad as some have said, and can't believe the stick he was getting. Some Newcastle fans said that he was getting the same treatment they give Ameobi, which given the circumstances is pretty pathetic. Palacios and Modric didn't work together well in the first half, but visibly improved.

 

[rabbikeane]

where's the MoM poll?

 

[dimiSpur]

That was our 5th choice centre back that came on and marked one of the best strikers in Europe. Not bad is it?

Gomes - 6
Hutton - 7
Gallas - 7
Kaboul - 7
Ekotto - 6

Lennon - 8 (would have been 6)
Modric - 8
Wilson - 7
Bale - 7

VdV - 7
Crouch - 5

Bassong - 8
1/2 of Defoe - 6 (not match fit)
Sandro - 10

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I completely disagree with you BC on your opinion of where Modric belongs, but I completely agree with you on your opinion of the Spurs fans treatment of Palacios during the game. I'd go a step further than you though. Frankly, they can fuck off and start rotting for all I care. Despicable beings, not worthy of sharing a planet with.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I think most fair minded Spurs fans would agree that the sarcastic cheering was utterly shameful, and even worse that it was live on TV. Idiots, shit people really.

The fact he dug in, didn't let his head drop, still showed for the ball and improved his game speaks volumes as to the character of the man.

 

[Coyboy]

I didn't see it as that ironic- more just cheerful support as straight after we started cheering his name and some of those that cheered first may have been then supporting him. To be honest, there is no excuse for his poor passes but he deserves our support and gets it from most.

 

[Coyboy]

I completely disagree with you BC on your opinion of where Modric belongs, but I completely agree with you on your opinion of the Spurs fans treatment of Palacios during the game. I'd go a step further than you though. Frankly, they can fuck off and start rotting for all I care. Despicable beings, not worthy of sharing a planet with.

Ok let's calm down they are hardly child molesters or vegetarians. There may have been some irony in it but I am not sure it was not just support. It seemed to come from the Park Lane/Shelf corner where a lot of SCers hang out. They are speshal.

 

[WhiteStripe]

I didn't see it as that ironic- more just cheerful support as straight after we started cheering his name and some of those that cheered first may have been then supporting him. To be honest, there is no excuse for his poor passes but he deserves our support and gets it from most.

This! I was at the game, and anyone around me who cheered was certainly doing it out of encouragement.

The sky commentators (after watching it when I got in) are the reason for the abuse fans are getting.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Ok perhaps I exaggerate when I wish doom on them all, but I just can't stand it. I turned to the bloke next to me and just said 'why can't every player get the Pav treatment'.

The support I thought was clearly seperated from the sarcastic cheers because the support was in the form of chanting his song, while the sarcastic cheers were coming from the same people shouting 'you have no fucking ability, you can't pass, control or tackle, what the fuck are you doing on the pitch, you useless fuck' or things to that effect.