Ratings vs Southampton

[Gb160]

that indiscipline with cheap yellow cards Poch has to clamp down on.. it will cost us in longterm

It's part of what makes us tick, and it's more aggression and cynicism than indiscipline IMO, infact I'd be surprised if this approach isn't directed from Poch himself.

 

[steve]

I said in the match thread, I think Alli is a talented boy, who also has the gift of timing and character. And he is only 20, so has time to add some composure and consistency to the rest of his game, but if he's going to be the player he promises to be, he does need to add those qualities, because top teams and managers won't tolerate week after week of what we have seen first half of this season as their rosters are chocked full of players who will produce but not fritter away possession 35% of the time as well. I also think he needs to find a proper role on the pitch, and 4231 doesn't really allow that. That's not his fault.

* Also corrected the Eriksen first half touch map.

He'll add those with experience, he's a reasonably bright footballer, just a bit inconsistent and you're right that Poch needs to help him with that. I get where you're coming from, he's a bit overrated by many non Spurs fans especially who don't watch him regularly. Where did you get the 35% stat? Is that for real?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I must have accidently deleted what I wrote about him on my phone before I posted it

Basically I gave him an 8

Praised his 2 assists - the first a bit fortunate but the second sublime

And said that he's the best LB in the league and while I don't watch a lot of non EPL football now day, if there is a better LB in the world than Rose then he must be exceptional

EDIT - actually it is there I just forgot to highlight his name

Are you talking about Sissoko's assist lol?

 

[whitelanefever]

It's part of what makes us tick, and it's more aggression and cynicism than indiscipline IMO, infact I'd be surprised if this approach isn't directed from Poch himself.

all for it.. however there has to be a balance .. uncasrary in Dembele & Jan pckig up bookings.. decision making in stopping an attack against top teams by all means give away a card.. we picked up those cards by Jan & Moussa been indisciplined & been stupid in no y keeping there heads

 

[Shea]

Are you talking about Sissoko's assist lol?

Did that actually make you laugh out loud?

 

[Shadydan]

He probably meant lots of love

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Did that actually make you laugh out loud?

Yes. Vigorously.

 

[Shea]

Yes. Vigorously.

Kids these days

 

[Shea]

What has this forum come to when a man can't innocently racially profile a couple of black men without being ridiculed?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He'll add those with experience, he's a reasonably bright footballer, just a bit inconsistent and you're right that Poch needs to help him with that. I get where you're coming from, he's a bit overrated by many non Spurs fans especially who don't watch him regularly. Where did you get the 35% stat? Is that for real?

No, I exaggerated to make a point. I think yesterday his pass completion was a pretty poor 76%, at half time I think it was 71%, but that's just attempted passes, I'm pretty sure it doesn't include the times where Alli isn't attempting a pass but a fucking nutmeg (I lost count after his first 4 failed last night) or some other trick or flick that gives the ball away. His average per 90 is about 80% I think, which is reasonable, but again this is only passes, not the other stuff he does that loses the ball.

 

[steve]

No, I exaggerated to make a point. I think yesterday his pass completion was a pretty poor 76%, at half time I think it was 71%, but that's just attempted passes, I'm pretty sure it doesn't include the times where Alli isn't attempting a pass but a fucking nutmeg (I lost count after his first 4 failed last night) or some other trick or flick that gives the ball away. His average per 90 is about 80% I think, which is reasonable, but again this is only passes, not the other stuff he does that loses the ball.

Yeah he's a wasteful and infuriating fucker sometimes and it's annoying when the same 'he's brilliant' superlatives get heaped on him after he's had a shocker (and he's had a few this season) - especially when others get a hard time unreasonably in comparison.
I'm a bit like you in that in reaction to that I'm more inclined to point out his negatives as a result and let's be honest if he played for another team I'd think he was a cocky little shit and dislike him plenty.
As you've said before Poch is pivotal in this as he needs to get the consistent best out of him and give him the appropriate boot up the arse/benching when required. If he can iron out some of the wastefulness then i'll agree with some of the bollocks Jamie Redknapp talked about him last night.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

The reason Dele Alli keeps losing the ball is exactly the same reason that he scores so many goals. He takes chances. He does the audacious things. He picks the low-percentage, high-reward option.

At 20, this means that he loses the ball, showboats, creates avoidable confrontations and often makes himself look like a prat. But I imagine that Pochettino understands that absolutely the worst approach he could take to coaching Dele would be to get him to hesitate and think before trying something outrageous. One might as well have tried to stifle Gascoigne and get him to follow strict instructions - it would have been just as stupid.

A good team consists of a variety of personalities. You have to have the controlling, reliable players (Dier, Alderweireld), the energetic, fiery players (Rose, Walker, Lamela), the players who have a vision of the whole pitch in their heads (Eriksen), the powerful players (Wanyama, Dembélé, Sissoko) and the the hard-working, indefatigable players (Rose, Walker, Kane, Lamela).

One of the things that turns a good side into a great one is having an unpredictable player, one who turns up where no one expects him, does the unanticipated thing and takes risks. That's Dele. Cajoling him into reliability over the next couple of seasons, without reducing the characteristics that make him unique, especially his impulsiveness, will be a coaching task of extreme delicacy. If it works, he could become one of the all-time great footballers.

 

[Nerine]

all for it.. however there has to be a balance .. uncasrary in Dembele & Jan pckig up bookings.. decision making in stopping an attack against top teams by all means give away a card.. we picked up those cards by Jan & Moussa been indisciplined & been stupid in no y keeping there heads

Wat?

 

[glospur]

The reason Dele Alli keeps losing the ball is exactly the same reason that he scores so many goals. He takes chances. He does the audacious things. He picks the low-percentage, high-reward option.

At 20, this means that he loses the ball, showboats, creates avoidable confrontations and often makes himself look like a prat. But I imagine that Pochettino understands that absolutely the worst approach he could take to coaching Dele would be to get him to hesitate and think before trying something outrageous. One might as well have tried to stifle Gascoigne and get him to follow strict instructions - it would have been just as stupid.

A good team consists of a variety of personalities. You have to have the controlling, reliable players (Dier, Alderweireld), the energetic, fiery players (Rose, Walker, Lamela), the players who have a vision of the whole pitch in their heads (Eriksen), the powerful players (Wanyama, Dembélé, Sissoko) and the the hard-working, indefatigable players (Rose, Walker, Kane, Lamela).

One of the things that turns a good side into a great one is having an unpredictable player, one who turns up where no one expects him, does the unanticipated thing and takes risks. That's Dele. Cajoling him into reliability over the next couple of seasons, without reducing the characteristics that make him unique, especially his impulsiveness, will be a coaching task of extreme delicacy. If it works, he could become one of the all-time great footballers.

I wish I could give this all the 'winner' ratings in the world. I genuinely don't understand how some people don't get this and complain about his 'showboating (which is a fucking bullshit term, he's not doing it for the cameras, he's doing it to try and score),' particularly the first two paragraphs.

I couldn't give a fuck if he's trying stuff like nutmegs and pirouettes and, fuck, he could do a sumersault if he wanted to, in the final third and loses the ball a few times because you just know that when it comes off something special is going to come of it and a chance or a goal will be created.

Not every player is going to be Harry Winks and touch the ball 100 times every game and have 97% pass completion. Not that those players aren't valuable, they are, and I love Harry, but you also need those players that are capable of something special in order to create something when passing the opposition to death isn't working. Dele is that guy at 20, and was that guy at 19. He is fucking special.

 

[dudu]

No, I exaggerated to make a point. I think yesterday his pass completion was a pretty poor 76%, at half time I think it was 71%, but that's just attempted passes, I'm pretty sure it doesn't include the times where Alli isn't attempting a pass but a fucking nutmeg (I lost count after his first 4 failed last night) or some other trick or flick that gives the ball away. His average per 90 is about 80% I think, which is reasonable, but again this is only passes, not the other stuff he does that loses the ball.

I agree and think he needs to cut down a little on the tricks and flicks but I dont really want him to stop playing with instinct.... there is a fine balance in there that is down to Poch to encourage.

His failed attempts at tricking the opposition though leave me feeling similar to how i feel about Eriksen when he is having an off game with his passing. Its frustrating but the intention is to spark us into life and its stuff like that i love to see - especially when we are struggling to get going.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Looking forward to seeing Harry Kane back to his best . Its April/May since he's fully swashed his buckle .

 

[double0]

I just can't believe people are doubting Dele Alli's talent he's still maturing within himself and football already has unbelievable stats creatively and raw goals...he is raw he will become more refined. I say to those that keep criticising just enjoy the ride/journey that is Dele Alli

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Looking forward to seeing Harry Kane back to his best . Its April/May since he's fully swashed his buckle .

Perv

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree and think he needs to cut down a little on the tricks and flicks but I dont really want him to stop playing with instinct.... there is a fine balance in there that is down to Poch to encourage.

His failed attempts at tricking the opposition though leave me feeling similar to how i feel about Eriksen when he is having an off game with his passing. Its frustrating but the intention is to spark us into life and its stuff like that i love to see - especially when we are struggling to get going.

I don't think it's such a fine line to be honest. His inability to just not fritter away possession cheaply is not a flip side of having fantastic instinct, it's just poor decision making.

I think there is absolutely no comparison with Eriksen whatsoever, because even on his worst days Eriksen is not contributing as little in terms of overall contribution to game play with the added negative of of frittering away possession in the most irritatingly cheap fashion.

I'd say I find it bazar the disparity in pundit fawn between Alli and Eriksen, but the truth is I don't, it's just typical of the English football man pundit's English bias toward any English kid who has some talent.

Right now you just cannot compare what Eriksen brings to what Alli brings. Eriksen is far more productive and has a much bigger influence on us as a team than Alli does.

Even their goals (which I couldn't fit into my screen grab) Alli is only 0.40 to Eriksen's 0.30. And that's only because of wednesday night.

Last season was the same:

Saying Alli's failings reminds you of Eriksen's is a pretty lame and lazy comparison IMO. Even on days when Eriksen isn't making goals and chances for people, he's still getting through a hell of a lot more of the ball than Alli ever does, and he is the best "user" of a football we have, quite simply he is our most creatively influential player by a mile, in terms of game play, build up, spark and end product as a package.

This isn't me saying Alli is shit. I think he is a very talented boy with that rare gift of instinct and character to go with it, and if he develops his game and finds a true role in which to bring out his best qualities, he has a very bright future, but all I'm saying is the disparity between opinion and reality on here and in punditry land between Eriksen and Alli is stark and Eriksen gets a pretty raw deal.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

As far as MOTM votes go, I can understand two goal Alli getting the "pundit" votes but how the fuck do the majority have Rose as MOTM ? He was about 10th, just ahead of Walker and Lloris's clown boots.

Get on that change button FFS.