Match Ratings Ratings vs Southampton

[davidmatzdorf]

Who did Kane score his goals against and how did the team perform in both instances in both seasons?

Leicester and Hull last season, Burnley and Southampton this season.

The whole team was playing in relaxed/confident mode in those final games last season: nothing to prove except that they had to avoid repeating the collapse at the end of the previous season.

These past two games, we've been more motivated in attack, but I think the continuing absence of Alderweireld and Wanyama makes the whole team, back to front, feel less secure and ruthless.

Full press, more pace, movement, clever passing, 5 goals, Harry the new record holder.
Two goals conceded, so between poor and appalling performance.

Lloris........5+.........At fault for the goals but it didn't matter today. Still a handsome and cool French dude(+1)
Aurier.......7-..........Steadier today. Gets forward well but the dreaded Walker pause and moderate crossing
Verts.........8...........If it had been 0-0 he would have been MOM. Another strong performance.
Rose.........7+.........Nearly there Danny. Our very own Marcelo lite. Stay with us please.
Dier...........7+.........More composed today on the ball.
Dembele...6-..........Surprised to see him start. Off the pace and the game passed him by.
Eriksen.....8...........Lovely stuff. Always finding space and quick thinking and passing.
Dele..........8+.........Welcome back the real Dele Alli. Focused and very effective.
Son...........8..........Pace and ingenuity and a full contribution with goals and assists. All with a smile too.
H.Kane......9..........Steals MOM from at least four others today. Does what it says on the tin.Scores goals.
Sissoko,....7-.........Slotted in nicely. Surprised he didn't start. Gets about the pitch well.
Lamela trying much too hard to impress. Calm down we're 5-1 up. well we were.

Couple of attacking fuck-ups and defensive errors but in the context of this game nothing to see here. Next!

Wot no Sanchez?

 

[JimmyG2]

Leicester and Hull last season, Burnley and Southampton this season.

The whole team was playing in relaxed/confident mode in those final games last season: nothing to prove except that they had to avoid repeating the collapse at the end of the previous season.

These past two games, we've been more motivated in attack, but I think the continuing absence of Alderweireld and Wanyama makes the whole team, back to front, feel less secure and ruthless.



Wot no Sanchez?

Sorry gets no mention for a poor bordering on appalling performance
Actually... I wrote Sanchez..........7..........Couple of iffy moments. Looked worried. Relax it's Southampton...

Somehow edited it out when I posted. Is that even possible? Thanks

 

[The Apprentice]

A blessed time to be a Spurs fan. An excellent performance from the team as a collective. Individual errors will always occur, it’s not a perfect science.

Vertonghen was his usual top class, Rolls Roycey self. He’s having one of his best seasons for us.

Alli has been back to his buzzy, pesky best recently.

Kane is absolutely class. Such a phenom for this league.

Get me some red wine, immediately.


Possibly not the place for this...but some of the questions surrounding Lloris are starting to build up. He’s been pretty ropey recently and doesn’t inspire a huge amount of confidence. Hopefully he can get his mojo back.

 

[Tottenham_God]

Vorm in Hugo out

 

[journeyman]

I disagree with (many) people about Dembele - I thought he was good today. And I think Poch may have hit on a formula - Dembele with a holding mid at home when we need to break the lines; Sissoko with a holding mid away when we need to counter at speed. Will be interesting to see if that's reflected in the line-ups next week.

Both Vertonghen and Kane excellent today.

 

[VegasII]

Vorm in Hugo out

Gazzaniga all about?

 

[SpursSince1980]

Gazzaniga all about?

Do the hokey-p- (fuck it, I got nothin).

 

[VegasII]

Do the hokey-p- (fuck it, I got nothin).

Lol do the hokey Pochy

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The season of Giving

Team selection wise, would have preferred to see Winks out there with one of Dembele or Dier and would have quite liked to see Trippier in this sort of game rather than Aurier.

It was nice to see us apply ourselves early once again, set about them, pressing up high, we are always so much better when we are "on it" like this from the get go, throttling teams, it really rattles them. What I most enjoyed today though was our decision making - for the first 60 minutes. We have a talented group of attacking players, we know this, but so. often they are enigmatic, erratic and a bit careless, either collectively or individually, we rarely get all four of them being decisive, effective and creative all at once. I know Southampton contributed to their own downfall today, falling into that stall of not quite being organised and obdurate or aggressively cavalier, but some of our play in that first hour was absolutely scintillating today, instead of some of the selfish wastage we often see, all our attackers kept creating, in making better choices and executing those choices well, they kept giving chance after chance to one another. And we looked so much better and were so much more creative for it.

I thought that was Deli Alli's best 75 minutes of football in a Spurs shirt. In the same way that Kane is always better the harder he works, Alli is always better IMO when he reigns in there urges to do the improbable, because what he does when he composes himself is almost always of more value and both assists and his goal were evidence of this. Of course there will always be moments in games when something immediate and instinctive is required, but Alli's judgement on when and where this is has been very, very flawed continually and hopefully, days like today are evidence of him learning this and evolving and maturing his game. Apart from the two quality assists, the superb goal, and other incisive passes, his all round play was also better, he worked moe intelligently without the ball, he contributed more to game play of the team as a collective, and for me was our most influential attacking player today, and on a day when all our offensive players were excellent and Kane banged in a hatrick, that's saying something.

I know many will think it churlish on a day like today to pick faults in any aspect of our game, but I still thought the weakest area of our play was midfield. Dier worked hard, even showed a couple of unusual moments of dexterity under pressure, but his use of the ball is pretty perfunctory and his passing is just not incisive or crisp enough when it maters and despite this, it's not the most reliable either. Dembele is just fucked. It's quite sad to watch, he's still trying to drop a shoulder and muscle/twist past his marker, and occasionally he can still do it, but you can see it's no longer coming easy, a natural glide, it's now laboured, even his touch is looking clumsier. We really have got to start planning for the future, either by buying asap, and/or giving players like TOB or even Skipp some cup and sub game time, learn from the errors of the past and plan for the inevitable not to distant future. As Sissoko showed again today after he came on, he really isn't a medium or long term solution.

This was one of those days when the perfect storm catches your sails instead of capsizing you. Southampton are a good little team on their day, have some good players, but made the mistake of being timidly brave, and we were at our eviscerating best, the second goal we scored was a thing of absolute beauty, the type of goal we don't score often enough. Faced with a packed defence, Eriksen threads it vertically through to Alli, Alli swivels and plays the deftest of through balls perfectly into the stride of Son's clever run and he, under pressure, plays the right ball across the is yard to for Kane to tap in. Give, Give, Give, Boom.

It was slightly disappointing that we only scored one more goal in the final 40 minutes of that game and allowed them to score two during the time as well. The last 20-25 minutes especially we did lapse into some poor decision making and execution of some fabulous situations.

As often, I found the subs perplexing. Why Sissoko before Winks ? Why and earth leave a Kane, who'd ran himself ragged, on that pitch after he'd got his hatrick? Why take Son off and not Eriksen and Alli who have had much more football than Son ?

I don't think Poch liked getting his arse handed to him on a tapas plate by City. And last couple of games we've seen the proper Pochettino Tottenham again. Aggressive from the get go, in faces, suffocating and when we get that early goal or two teams get caught in a tactical Netherland that we are becoming even better at exploiting. Like a gift that keeps on giving.

Individual

Lloris - Lets get this into perspective. I'm not saying Lloris is a terrible keeper. But I've always said, from before we signed him, that he's not the world class keeper many would have you believe either. He's just a very good keeper who has flaws. He's got a softie in him, his decision making can be suspect too. And it was at Lyon too. Today was another bad day of which he's probably had more than usual this season.

Aurier - Solid enough, but didn't really offer much offensively.

Sanchez - Some really good stuff, a couple of iffy moments, overall OK.

Vertonghen - Very good game.

Rose - Couple of decent bursts, apart from that just OK.

Dier - Showed a nice move under pressure today, and was pretty solid, but for someone who's passing lacks alacrity he still isn't the most reliable, his completion was only 5% more than the likes of Kane and Lloris, which isn't brilliant for a CM really.

Dembele - Like watching a once good boxer take those 5 twighlight career fights to many, to pay his second divorce alimony.

Son - Great game. 2 assists and a great finish.

Eriksen - Great game again. Saw as much ball as our CM's, and despite being more ambitious still completed more of those passes, most key passes and that valuable first assist with a lovely free kick.

Alli - MOTM for me. Outstanding game for 70 minutes. Deserved more than the two assists he got, he played some really good football, was all over the place and a constant - genuine - threat, not the flimsy, foppish, hap hazard IOU note of promise to maybe be a threat that we've been getting much of this season.

Kane - Fucking Uber. He was everywhere today, pressing at the front, dropping back to link play, defending corners, scoring his usual array of different goals (loved the dink 3rd).

 

[parj]

How was the ref a joke? He missed a penalty that was marginal in real time. But overall he let the game flow i thought.

Thought it was a great game to watch. Really enjoyed it. As others have said we started the game with plenty of umph and gave them no space at all pressing them into their own half. Got a goal which subsequently opened up the game for us to run riot.

Only time we relented was when Dembele went off and we became a little more porous in the cm.

No one had poor game.

What's left to say about Harry Kane? Incredible.

Totally agree with the Dembele going off comment. It's amazing how some people believe he is past it but today you saw what he brings to the team. Lost shape and the game became more open.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Then why post in the ratings thread? It's not a poll, the poll is for MotM at the top. If there's no accompanying contribution to the discussion, then why make a value-judgment and publish it?

I mean ... who cares?

The match thread is full of momentary reactions without forethought. I avoid it. The ratings thread is surely for thoughts and discussion after the match.

Girlfriend pleaze

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Totally agree with the Dembele going off comment. It's amazing how some people believe he is past it but today you saw what he brings to the team. Lost shape and the game became more open.

He's not quite past his sell by date but as per @Bus-Conductor above, I think he is struggling to do things he previously found a breeze. However, when he went off we looked less in control centrally. He offers stability and a certain control. So he still brings an important dynamic to an area of the pitch I firmly believe is our potential achilles heel. I really like Dembele, with Wanyama injured he's one if the first names, if fit, on the sheet. But he still needs a progressive player along side him in passing terms. If Wanyama was fully fit id struggle to put him on. As BC said, we've got to start longer term planning. Blooding in younger talent or spending money on our most problematic position. We lack depth in the cm which was highlighted when a slowing Dembele went off. Dier is, in my opinion a CB who can slot in as a DCM if we need him to.

 

[yusrisafri]

Then why post in the ratings thread? It's not a poll, the poll is for MotM at the top. If there's no accompanying contribution to the discussion, then why make a value-judgment and publish it?

I mean ... who cares?

The match thread is full of momentary reactions without forethought. I avoid it. The ratings thread is surely for thoughts and discussion after the match.

So now youre dictating how people should be posting their thoughts in different kinds of threads? Ok headmaster.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

"Dictating". What bullshit.

"Encouraging people to think and then engage in dialogue", more like.

Instead of thinking there's any merit in "expressing your opinion" without providing an argument. There isn't any.

 

[EastLondonYid]

The season of Giving

Team selection wise, would have preferred to see Winks out there with one of Dembele or Dier and would have quite liked to see Trippier in this sort of game rather than Aurier.

It was nice to see us apply ourselves early once again, set about them, pressing up high, we are always so much better when we are "on it" like this from the get go, throttling teams, it really rattles them. What I most enjoyed today though was our decision making - for the first 60 minutes. We have a talented group of attacking players, we know this, but so. often they are enigmatic, erratic and a bit careless, either collectively or individually, we rarely get all four of them being decisive, effective and creative all at once. I know Southampton contributed to their own downfall today, falling into that stall of not quite being organised and obdurate or aggressively cavalier, but some of our play in that first hour was absolutely scintillating today, instead of some of the selfish wastage we often see, all our attackers kept creating, in making better choices and executing those choices well, they kept giving chance after chance to one another. And we looked so much better and were so much more creative for it.

I thought that was Deli Alli's best 75 minutes of football in a Spurs shirt. In the same way that Kane is always better the harder he works, Alli is always better IMO when he reigns in there urges to do the improbable, because what he does when he composes himself is almost always of more value and both assists and his goal were evidence of this. Of course there will always be moments in games when something immediate and instinctive is required, but Alli's judgement on when and where this is has been very, very flawed continually and hopefully, days like today are evidence of him learning this and evolving and maturing his game. Apart from the two quality assists, the superb goal, and other incisive passes, his all round play was also better, he worked moe intelligently without the ball, he contributed more to game play of the team as a collective, and for me was our most influential attacking player today, and on a day when all our offensive players were excellent and Kane banged in a hatrick, that's saying something.

I know many will think it churlish on a day like today to pick faults in any aspect of our game, but I still thought the weakest area of our play was midfield. Dier worked hard, even showed a couple of unusual moments of dexterity under pressure, but his use of the ball is pretty perfunctory and his passing is just not incisive or crisp enough when it maters and despite this, it's not the most reliable either. Dembele is just fucked. It's quite sad to watch, he's still trying to drop a shoulder and muscle/twist past his marker, and occasionally he can still do it, but you can see it's no longer coming easy, a natural glide, it's now laboured, even his touch is looking clumsier. We really have got to start planning for the future, either by buying asap, and/or giving players like TOB or even Skipp some cup and sub game time, learn from the errors of the past and plan for the inevitable not to distant future. As Sissoko showed again today after he came on, he really isn't a medium or long term solution.

This was one of those days when the perfect storm catches your sails instead of capsizing you. Southampton are a good little team on their day, have some good players, but made the mistake of being timidly brave, and we were at our eviscerating best, the second goal we scored was a thing of absolute beauty, the type of goal we don't score often enough. Faced with a packed defence, Eriksen threads it vertically through to Alli, Alli swivels and plays the deftest of through balls perfectly into the stride of Son's clever run and he, under pressure, plays the right ball across the is yard to for Kane to tap in. Give, Give, Give, Boom.

It was slightly disappointing that we only scored one more goal in the final 40 minutes of that game and allowed them to score two during the time as well. The last 20-25 minutes especially we did lapse into some poor decision making and execution of some fabulous situations.

As often, I found the subs perplexing. Why Sissoko before Winks ? Why and earth leave a Kane, who'd ran himself ragged, on that pitch after he'd got his hatrick? Why take Son off and not Eriksen and Alli who have had much more football than Son ?

I don't think Poch liked getting his arse handed to him on a tapas plate by City. And last couple of games we've seen the proper Pochettino Tottenham again. Aggressive from the get go, in faces, suffocating and when we get that early goal or two teams get caught in a tactical Netherland that we are becoming even better at exploiting. Like a gift that keeps on giving.

Individual

Lloris - Lets get this into perspective. I'm not saying Lloris is a terrible keeper. But I've always said, from before we signed him, that he's not the world class keeper many would have you believe either. He's just a very good keeper who has flaws. He's got a softie in him, his decision making can be suspect too. And it was at Lyon too. Today was another bad day of which he's probably had more than usual this season.

Aurier - Solid enough, but didn't really offer much offensively.

Sanchez - Some really good stuff, a couple of iffy moments, overall OK.

Vertonghen - Very good game.

Rose - Couple of decent bursts, apart from that just OK.

Dier - Showed a nice move under pressure today, and was pretty solid, but for someone who's passing lacks alacrity he still isn't the most reliable, his completion was only 5% more than the likes of Kane and Lloris, which isn't brilliant for a CM really.

Dembele - Like watching a once good boxer take those 5 twighlight career fights to many, to pay his second divorce alimony.

Son - Great game. 2 assists and a great finish.

Eriksen - Great game again. Saw as much ball as our CM's, and despite being more ambitious still completed more of those passes, most key passes and that valuable first assist with a lovely free kick.

Alli - MOTM for me. Outstanding game for 70 minutes. Deserved more than the two assists he got, he played some really good football, was all over the place and a constant - genuine - threat, not the flimsy, foppish, hap hazard IOU note of promise to maybe be a threat that we've been getting much of this season.

Kane - Fucking Uber. He was everywhere today, pressing at the front, dropping back to link play, defending corners, scoring his usual array of different goals (loved the dink 3rd).

Agreed with 98% of that...

Didn't agree Trippier should have played, Aurier needs a run in the side except when we have 2 games in 3 days ofc, Aurier is starting to find some form and confidence and a run of games will help him, Trippier should play against Swansea so as Aurier can play 2 days later,imo.but its time Aurier was allowed the games he needs to show us how good he really is.

Secondly , even though i am a fan and he is young and will find consistency, yesterday Sanchez was not ''overal ok '' as you rated, he was poor imo,and got caught out positionally,turned or bullied far too many times , Jan was on top form to cover for him and covered up the cracks.
This is not to say i don't rate him, but ratings should be about the actual performance on the day and it was way below par,

 

[Gilzeanking]

Amazing turnaround for Dele (9) . I'd forgotten he could be that good . The perfect pace on his Son through ball and Harry assist were sublime , plus his goal of course . From the kick off it was clear tho he was in a new mental space . Someone in here said something like 'His conference with Poch obviously worked' . Have I missed something , was there a conference ?
Anyway ,in Poch's post match presser when offered the opportunity to praise Dele , he just pointedly and firmly said 'He must improve' . I'd speculate that there has been some tough love in Dele's direction...and it has worked .

Great to see our press back , where'd it go ? Great match , Lloris is a concern .He makes these short passes to defenders who are already marked . If only he could add ..the simple expedient of feinting to pass to one defender before passing to another thereby creating space for the receiving defender ...to his game it might help . Currently he often telegraphs these passes creating stress .

 

[guiltyparty]

He's not quite past his sell by date but as per @Bus-Conductor above, I think he is struggling to do things he previously found a breeze. However, when he went off we looked less in control centrally. He offers stability and a certain control. So he still brings an important dynamic to an area of the pitch I firmly believe is our potential achilles heel. I really like Dembele, with Wanyama injured he's one if the first names, if fit, on the sheet. But he still needs a progressive player along side him in passing terms. If Wanyama was fully fit id struggle to put him on. As BC said, we've got to start longer term planning. Blooding in younger talent or spending money on our most problematic position. We lack depth in the cm which was highlighted when a slowing Dembele went off. Dier is, in my opinion a CB who can slot in as a DCM if we need him to.

He’s a shell of what he was. Injuries have seen to that

Dembele needs to develop a new style of play that is more sitting as his attempts to take people on in our own half are getting more and more risky as his natural attributes decline

 

[Mr Pink]

Eriksen's flick was sumptuous but surprised no one has mentioned that pass from Kane to Son, just before the latter went down in their box.

Was just jaw dropping for me, the vision, and the pace on the ball and accuracy to execute it like that, amazing.

Kane was MOTM, but Dele was just behind.

 

[Nebby]

Kane gets MOTM for me, but there were a lot of extremely good performances. A joy to watch.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Had to be Harry especially as I gave my vote to Dele in the last game because he showed signs of a return to form. He was imperious today, as was Verts who did everything with a real touch of class. You have to just love Son who plays with the joy of a kid in the playground. Never mind about Liverpool I will back our front four against anyone when they are in form.

Harry though is scarily good. The last player I used to expect to score all the time was Greavsie and never expected to see anyone again who made me think like that