Redknapp on BBC

[jimtheyid]

A memory of an elephant that SS57

 

[Gilzeanking]

And further , Mr 57 . Senor Ramos had a similarly poor slump after the CC final . I'm sure you'd agree that this slump continued into the next season . Slumps can be tricky to get rid of...even after a close season . Its an experience , albeit in different circumstances , that we've already had at Spurs with Ramos.

To suggest that our 2012 slump as I have defined it , may persist into the next season is hardly an outlandish suggestion eh .

 

[sloth]

Thought he was very very honest, no bullshit there.

Said he would have taken the England job, which we all knew but also said he loves it at Spurs, new training complex coming soon.

He obviously enjoys Spurs and only would have left for England, also spoke about our downfall , he didn't say much wrong, but no doubt he will get abused for it.

If Modric or Bale had been linked with Barcelona, or Real Madrid back in February, following which their form dropped away, they dropped bollocks in several key games, their lack of focus effected their team-mates, and then at the end of the season they'd admitted it had been a distraction and they'd have signed for them if they could because it was their dream job, I just wonder if fans would be so forgiving of the in that scenario?

It seems to me that Rodgers, when linked with the Liverpool job, cut through all their shenanigans, telling them where to go, "either you want me, and only me, or I'm not interested!" If Harry had done the same, we'd have found out very early they weren't interested in him and he could have got on with the job he was being paid to do.

All of that said, I honestly don't think the England job was more than a contributory factor in our slump - there was no England job the previous year and we slumped in exactly the same way - rather it's Harry "Martin Peters used to run around in the mud and he never complained of being tired" Redknapp's inability to learn except through direct experience, and so grasp the subtleties of Sports Science, which causes his teams to blow so hot and cold through a season. That and the host of other stuff he's no good at either.

 

[sloth]

To be honest, I was all in favour of replacing Harry asap but after seeing him on BBC my view on getting rid of Harry has changed slightly. He tried to answer all questions, some quite awkward, honestly (I think!). Yeah he does have his faults but I'm sure it could be a lot worse.

Just picking this post at random to represent a view I've seen a few times. I simply can't get along with an opinion which seems to be based simply on whether you feel good or bad towards Redknapp on any given day.

Also, not directed at the post quoted, I don't agree whatsoever with the idea that if we'd finished 4th but qualified for CL it would have made any material difference to whether Harry's the long-term answer for our club or not. That just seems so random. Either you don't think he's the long-term answer, and you have thought out reasons for thinking it, or you do think he's the long-term answer and you have reasoning for that. This Harry's the long-term answer if Chelsea lose on penalties/Harry's not the long term answer if Chelsea win on penalties, just seem absurd to me.

 

[sloth]

I have -12 all from one post some weeks ago when I was gutted that Woy got the England job because at the time I wanted Harry gone. I don't like some of the things he says, especially his comments regarding it affecting the players if he didn't have a contract which was in contradiction to his comments in March.

But enough is enough, there isn't really anybody out there available who would be any better than Harry at the moment so we need to get on with it. I think Levy knows this and some compromise will be reached shortly i'm sure.

We need to strengthen our squad to ensure improvements can be made next season, we are on the cusp and Levy will want us to cross the threshold. So let's stop the Harry bashing and get on with it.

COYS

I don't agree with the idea that a man who is long-term going to see us go backwards (if that's Levy's interpretation) should be given a long-term contract. I think Redknapp will be gone this summer, and sooner rather than later.

 

[Star_of_Davids]

The comments from Harry in yesterday's interview were basically what I've been waiting for him to say - yes, he would have taken England job, he loves it at Spurs and wants to stay, he's got a year left on his contract and will discuss this with the chairman, but Levy's had more important matters to deal with this past week or so.
To be fair to Harry, that's the first interview we've heard in full without the press just selecting a soundbite and twisting it to make it sound like there's some unrest. He shouldn't speak to the media as much as he does, but that's a fault that we have to live with, but when you hear the full interview it's fair and encouraging.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I don't agree with the idea that a man who is long-term going to see us go backwards (if that's Levy's interpretation) should be given a long-term contract. I think Redknapp will be gone this summer, and sooner rather than later.

Do you think he will or he should be gone?

I still don't really see on what grounds he'd be able to sack him.

 

[sloth]

Do you think he will or he should be gone?

I still don't really see on what grounds he'd be able to sack him.

Both. But that's assuming Levy's reasoning is the same as my own. In fact the ideal for me would have been to keep him for a final year (with an option to extend), with Redknapp coming out with a statement to the effect that it's been a tiring year, and it suits him at the moment to keep it on the rolling one year contract thing. In this circumstance you have Redknapp on a short-leash, and the guy may realise that his best interest is served by trying to do his best for the club, for once, rather than campaigning in the media and with support of the fans, against the long-term interest of the club. At the same time however, if we fall away during the year, if his chickens come home to roost, then we have an opportunity to get rid of him with minimal fuss either in January or better next summer. Win/best of a bad job situation.

I think this may partly be what's causing the current delay, basically Harry has to get his head around this proposal and decide if it's really what he wants, if it is, he can make the appropriate statements to the press, and we can all get on with it. If it's not, if he's determined that it's three years or nothing, then he'll be gone. Imo.

If he does decide to walk (or make Levy push him), then it's not ideal because there will be massive fall-out. Levy who's already on shaky ground with a section of the support following the sacking of Jol, the abortive move to the OS, and basic ignorance on the financial constraints he works under, will completely have burned his bridges with some. The media of course will have the knives out. Disharmony between fans, board and media is not good for a club.

Against that however is the alternative which is to give Harry what he wants with a three year contract. This would be a far greater risk imo, because I simply don't think Redknapp's the kind of manager we require at this stage of our development. He was a great stop-gap, but he's unfortunately a luddite. Worse, a self-centred luddite. For me, everything is in place to really push on, everything except the right coach/manager.

So basically, I'm happy for Redknapp to continue in his caretaker role for another year, if he is happy to do it, because I'd like to avoid the risky consequences of a sacking, and because one more year - especially given the dearth of viable alternative candidates - is not the end of the world. But if Harry forces the issue, then we should get rid of him, even if it means getting someone like Capello in on a single year's contract, while we identify our real long-term coach.

 

[StartingPrice]

Both. But that's assuming Levy's reasoning is the same as my own.

That's a big assumption. I mean, isn't Daniel Levy a normal, intelligent human being, and aren't you in fact a...

 

[senseispab]

A rolling one year contract is a pretty decent deal all round IMO. Every day that Harry wakes up, he will have a year left on his contract. Worked for Pep, why not H?

He does mental things tactically that irritate me, but with the distraction of the England job gone, I think I am decided that I would prefer Harry to stay. We haven't had a team this good since 1987. And I personally am enjoying the ride.

Me too. We're fun to watch, have great players and are stronger than we've been in over twenty years.

 

[steve]

Levy's got a big call to make. People can moan about H as much as they want but it's Levy now who must make a decision and soon. I think the rolling contract works well for everyone except H who is an expert at looking after no. 1. Levy must have a deadline for sorting this out because otherwise H will spit his dummy out and it will affect our season...

 

[tttcowan]

Levy's got a big call to make. People can moan about H as much as they want but it's Levy now who must make a decision and soon. I think the rolling contract works well for everyone except H who is an expert at looking after no. 1. Levy must have a deadline for sorting this out because otherwise H will spit his dummy out and it will affect our season...

... It doesn't work very well for the players either or potential new signings.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Truth be told there's never an awful lot wrong with the content of his interviews. If you look at what he says in a totally detached way then often as not he's either right or got a decent point. Case in point, the Sky interview recently that spawned an enormous thread slating him :

CL football isn't as important as a good contract, a decent wage and the club showing ambition - pretty much all of that is borne out by players signing for Chelsea or City a couple of years back or even that bizarre lot in Russia , Anzhak or whatever they're called.

Clubs don't let decent players enter the last year of their contact without offering a new one so why would they let a decent manager do the same - well it's a pretty bald statement but it's not wrong.

It's not great for the players if they know the manager only has a year left and hasn't been offered a contract - pretty much true, new players who are thinking of signing may be concerned that the guy who wanted to sign them will be gone in a year and they may not be liked by the new manager. Players who like the current manager will maybe wonder what direction the club is going in if the manager they like is apparently not rated by the club. Where's the difference between his statement during the England manager job situation that the players didn't care whether he was going to be there next year or not and this apparent shift of position that they do find it important? Well, at the time there were no new signings coming in as it was outside of the transfer window so that bit can be discounted. The second part, the club wasn't trying to get rid of him or showing a lack of faith in him by not offering a new contract. The context is different, players wouldn't worry so much about the direction the club was going in as it wasn't a matter instigated by the club. Not to mention that at the time the club were clear in 3rd and still in with a ( very ) speculative shout of 2nd. If the manager were to leave for the national job they would have thought that the club would be in a highly attractive position to attract a good new manager who would by and large continue what Redknapp had started. The club wouldn't be seeking a change of direction because they didn't actually want one, therefore the players job security would have been a little bit higher regardless of the new manager.

Point is, Redknapp may not think of all the implications of what he's saying in terms of fans or the club hierarchy but there's often not a lot factually wrong about what he says. That's not to say he couldn't do with a bit of empathy training or learning when the truth isn't actually the most helpful thing to say.

This is a bit like a discussion I had with someone the other day. It's not that some of what Redknapp says is not always honest - or certainly what he believes at that time to be honest - it's that it is often divisive, often not in the best interests of the club or image of the club, self serving and frankly fucking stupid at times.

How do you think it looks to potential signings - players we are trying to sell the club to - if our manager is constantly publicly comparing us unfavourably to clubs like Chelsea. Constantly highlighting the fact that they will get better deals there, that they are a more ambitious club (which isn't even true, they are just richer, there's a difference). It may be a truism, but it is one that we don't want emphasising, especially publicly and especially by our manager because it gives it more credence.

He rarely ever comes across as loyal. I believe that's possibly because he isn't. Even if some managers it's a token loyalty they at least publicly align themselves to their club (employer) and it's fans. Redknapp is always out to make sure that someone else is blamed.

Last season (2010-11) when we went through a disastrous dip in form there was no England to blame. So he publicly blamed players, actually naming them. When we got outplayed by (championship) Burnley in the semi it was "I can only work with the shit I've got". When we didn't buy Suarez it was "THEY told me he was too like VDV". When this season he kept reverting to the chocolate teapot midfield and it kept getting fucked over it was "THEY keep telling me that's how we play best".

Someone may have told him that, that may be truth, but the underlying truth is that he should take fucking responsibility for the team he picks and the tactics he uses. He should know that Suarez isn't a bit like VDV and not be so fucking cowardly as to hide behind "THEY". It's one thing ducking blame for his decisions it's another going on SSN and trying to point the finger of blame at everyone else. Not big. Not clever.

 

[NEVILLEB]

We should be signing players, not dicking about with our manager.

Another disruptive transfer window. Wow.

 

[steve]

... It doesn't work very well for the players either or potential new signings.

Didn't work too badly for Barcelona...I don't think many players care overtly about the managers contract...players know managers like themselves will be moved on if they don't perform well enough...bale and mod stayed put after sackings....players want to play and do well, they won't care who that is under too much if they're successful...

 

[jonathanhotspur]

This is a bit like a discussion I had with someone the other day. It's not that some of what Redknapp says is not always honest - or certainly what he believes at that time to be honest - it's that it is often divisive, often not in the best interests of the club or image of the club, self serving and frankly fucking stupid at times.

How do you think it looks to potential signings - players we are trying to sell the club to - if our manager is constantly publicly comparing us unfavourably to clubs like Chelsea. Constantly highlighting the fact that they will get better deals there, that they are a more ambitious club (which isn't even true, they are just richer, there's a difference). It may be a truism, but it is one that we don't want emphasising, especially publicly and especially by our manager because it gives it more credence.

He rarely ever comes across as loyal. I believe that's possibly because he isn't. Even if some managers it's a token loyalty they at least publicly align themselves to their club (employer) and it's fans. Redknapp is always out to make sure that someone else is blamed.

Last season (2010-11) when we went through a disastrous dip in form there was no England to blame. So he publicly blamed players, actually naming them. When we got outplayed by (championship) Burnley in the semi it was "I can only work with the shit I've got". When we didn't buy Suarez it was "THEY told me he was too like VDV". When this season he kept reverting to the chocolate teapot midfield and it kept getting fucked over it was "THEY keep telling me that's how we play best".

Someone may have told him that, that may be truth, but the underlying truth is that he should take fucking responsibility for the team he picks and the tactics he uses. He should know that Suarez isn't a bit like VDV and not be so fucking cowardly as to hide behind "THEY". It's one thing ducking blame for his decisions it's another going on SSN and trying to point the finger of blame at everyone else. Not big. Not clever.

Fuck my old boots. I'd forgotten all about that.

 

[tttcowan]

Didn't work too badly for Barcelona...I don't think many players care overtly about the managers contract...players know managers like themselves will be moved on if they don't perform well enough...bale and mod stayed put after sackings....players want to play and do well, they won't care who that is under too much if they're successful...

Fair points but selling playing for Barcelona on top wages is a bit different to selling playing for spurs on half the money they could get elsewhere.

 

[steve]

Also interestingly after the Dutch game H talked about how they don't need 2 holding players and they have to find a way to get KJH in the team and 'go for it' in order to qualify....an insight into what has been and will continue to be his tactical philosophy....

 

[StartingPrice]

This is a bit like a discussion I had with someone the other day. It's not that some of what Redknapp says is not always honest - or certainly what he believes at that time to be honest - it's that it is often divisive, often not in the best interests of the club or image of the club, self serving and frankly fucking stupid at times.

How do you think it looks to potential signings - players we are trying to sell the club to - if our manager is constantly publicly comparing us unfavourably to clubs like Chelsea. Constantly highlighting the fact that they will get better deals there, that they are a more ambitious club (which isn't even true, they are just richer, there's a difference). It may be a truism, but it is one that we don't want emphasising, especially publicly and especially by our manager because it gives it more credence.

He rarely ever comes across as loyal. I believe that's possibly because he isn't. Even if some managers it's a token loyalty they at least publicly align themselves to their club (employer) and it's fans. Redknapp is always out to make sure that someone else is blamed.

Last season (2010-11) when we went through a disastrous dip in form there was no England to blame. So he publicly blamed players, actually naming them. When we got outplayed by (championship) Burnley in the semi it was "I can only work with the shit I've got". When we didn't buy Suarez it was "THEY told me he was too like VDV". When this season he kept reverting to the chocolate teapot midfield and it kept getting fucked over it was "THEY keep telling me that's how we play best".

Someone may have told him that, that may be truth, but the underlying truth is that he should take fucking responsibility for the team he picks and the tactics he uses. He should know that Suarez isn't a bit like VDV and not be so fucking cowardly as to hide behind "THEY". It's one thing ducking blame for his decisions it's another going on SSN and trying to point the finger of blame at everyone else. Not big. Not clever.

And the poor bugger just got on the No. 9 to nip into town...ended up, the fecking transport empoyee wouldn't shut the feck up and, like, actually allow the bus to leave, so the poor sod had to get off and walk

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

I don't agree with the idea that a man who is long-term going to see us go backwards (if that's Levy's interpretation) should be given a long-term contract. I think Redknapp will be gone this summer, and sooner rather than later.

Thing is mate, I don't see him going this summer and if that's the case we have to look to next season. Like we have agreed in the past, let him have next season and go. If he ain't happy with that, then he knows what he can do.

Thing is, I'm bored of talking about him now. I want to talk about players, hopes, tactics, players, formations, players and predictions for next season, not the fucking saga of Harry fucking Redknapp

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I like using the phrase 'thing is' don't I!