REDKNAPP OUT?! - I for one have had enough

[tototoner]

Fuck's sake, there is absolutely no way Harry should be sacked:

1. He doesn't deserve to be, he's been one of our most successful managers in the PL era. He steadied the ship when it was rocking, and helped us to our first foray in CL.
2. He's leaving in the summer anyway, purely on the difference between the compensation we'd be liable to pay him and the compensation the FA will have to pay us, we shouldn't sack him.

That's all.

nail on head

 

[ryantegan]

Any one notice that the tv cameras are following tim Sherwood a lot lately?


Anyways, I can't wait for Harry to go now.

Close the chapter (which has been a good one) and move on. If only he could have been more decisive regarding the England job, things may have been a bit better

 

[tototoner]

Any one notice that the tv cameras are following tim Sherwood a lot lately?


Anyways, I can't wait for Harry to go now.

Close the chapter (which has been a good one) and move on. If only he could have been more decisive regarding the England job, things may have been a bit better

I was told about a year ago that he would take over from Redknapp

still 25/1

 

[Bobbins]

I have a terrible double-fear.

Harry won't get offered the England job, so we have to pay him a fortune to get rid of him.

Tim Sherwood then takes over as manager (don't forget all the rumours that Harry was grooming him for the role).

 

[Spurs_Bear]

What is the point of this silly bollocks. We would not and should not sack Redknapp (or any manager) with four games to go sitting 5th with the games that we (us and those around us) all have.

What I hope the players and management are doing is pulling together, geeing each other up and going all out. I have no problem with the performance at QPR, we dominated the game FFS, just found a team entirely dedicated to parking a bus and skanking something - which they did.

I have no problem with the performance at Sunderland where it was an identical scenario. We dominated but just couldn't break them down.

And the performances at Chlesea and Swansea and Bolton at home were excellent.

There are remarkable similarities with the run Ramos experienced post CC Cup - We have played some good football in this bad run, have not always got what we deserved from games for various reasons. Redknapp has made mistakes that have contributed for sure, and I am hoping that he goes off to manage England at the end of the season and we can hopefully bring in someone very good, but you just don't sack managers in these circumstances and it is ridiculous to call for it.

This. For fuck sake, this.

Fucking hell.

 

[beats1]

I have a terrible double-fear.

Harry won't get offered the England job, so we have to pay him a fortune to get rid of him.

Tim Sherwood then takes over as manager (don't forget all the rumours that Harry was grooming him for the role).

Tim sherwood has a very good relationship with Levy and also has done well with the development team, i.e. recommend the fringe players to harry but it has fallen on deaf ears

 

[stemark44]

Anybody claiming that the whole England thing hasn't distracted Harry and consequently affected this group of players is kidding themselves IMO.

Somebody give me an example of uncertainty at a Club being a positive thing....

I don't think it has anything to do with England in the slightest.
We did exactly the same thing last year and if he stays at Spurs we will do exactly the same thing next year.
He runs the same players into the ground,he barely rotates,he has no system and then he hands them a formation with huge gaps in that they have to work hard to cover.

And we should definitely not sack him at this stage of the season!

 

[tototoner]

I don't think it has anything to do with England in the slightest.
We did exactly the same thing last year and if he stays at Spurs we will do exactly the same thing next year.
He runs the same players into the ground,he barely rotates,he has no system and then he hands them a formation with huge gaps in that they have to work hard to cover.

amazing coincidence then

 

[Kingstheman]

amazing coincidence then

Perhaps the England thing has just exacerbated it?

 

[brasil_spur]

Fuck's sake, there is absolutely no way Harry should be sacked:

1. He doesn't deserve to be, he's been one of our most successful managers in the PL era. He steadied the ship when it was rocking, and helped us to our first foray in CL.

The same could be said for Ramos, ok he didn't get us CL but he did steady the sinking Jol ship and get us our first and last piece of silver ware in 9 years!

 

[Spurs_Bear]

The same could be said for Ramos, ok he didn't get us CL but he did steady the sinking Jol ship and get us our first and last piece of silver ware in 9 years!

That's bonkers. You're much better than that brasil_spur.

What a terrible comparison.

 

[Kingstheman]

Now is not the time, but this situation cannot be allowed to continue beyond the last whistle in the Fulham game.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

What you have said is fair and I would agree to it.

BUT I have one question for you B-C...

Why are these teams parking the bus when they play us and not doing the same against the teams around us?

(That is without wishing to follow up with, what would you do to get out of this 'head-lock' of bus parking?)

Actually I think Sunderland and QPR have done exactly the same to teams around us. Sunderland beat ManC at home and drew away using identical tactics (in fact Sunderland have employed these tactics unilaterally since O'Neil took over), and QPR have beaten Arsenal & Liverpool at home too recently. Wigan beat Arsenal & Chelsea etc.

Things get so much more intense this time of year don't they, teams are scrapping for survival etc.

 

[Kingstheman]

Actually I think Sunderland and QPR have done exactly the same to teams around us. Sunderland beat ManC at home and drew away using identical tactics (in fact Sunderland have employed these tactics unilaterally since O'Neil took over), and QPR have beaten Arsenal & Liverpool at home too recently. Wigan beat Arsenal & Chelsea etc.

Things get so much more intense this time of year don't they, teams are scrapping for survival etc.

Are we just worse at scoring against such teams?

Although, QPR put more past Liverpool and Arsenal...

I do think we REALLY struggle with these tactics.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The same could be said for Ramos, ok he didn't get us CL but he did steady the sinking Jol ship and get us our first and last piece of silver ware in 9 years!

Ramos wasn't sacked after the poor run of results in the spring following the cup triumph though. It was only after the first 8 winless games the following season. Personally I think he should have been given a few games longer even then, because then, just like now, performances weren't terrible despite the bollocks some spout about them, just like people spouting now how the players looked disinterested at QPR etc. It's garbage now and it was then. In the last half dozen games we've put in a couple of the best performances I've seen under Redknapp and two or three other damn good ones.

Did it look like players weren't trying away at Chelsea, Sunderland or QPR ? bollocks did it. We had the better of all those tough away games. You don't do that if you can't be arsed.

You might get some rumblings of discontent in the dressing room, but that's just players looking after themselves, pointing the finger elsewhere.

It is very valid to compare this run with the one post CC for Ramos. Both contain some decent performances that didn't always get what they merit, some questionable tactics thrown in and the lack of a bit of rub. Redknapp also has an unquestionably stronger squad and has 3.5 years to influence it, so he should be doing a little better than Ramos in his first season, first time in a foreign league, with a lesser squad. But I didn't want him sacked then and I don't think Redknapp should be sacked now. But when this season is over Redknapp has had long enough and two identical failures two seasons running will be just cause to be seeking a new manager.

 

[$hoguN]

I have a terrible double-fear.

Harry won't get offered the England job, so we have to pay him a fortune to get rid of him.

Tim Sherwood then takes over as manager (don't forget all the rumours that Harry was grooming him for the role).

Hmmm... Seems like Wenger isn't the only manager guilty of grooming then......

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Are we just worse at scoring against such teams?

Although, QPR put more past Liverpool and Arsenal...

I do think we REALLY struggle with these tactics.

We do, and have for the last few years. The problem is you either need even more "special" players (not easy to find) who can conjure the special moments either on their own or by interacting with the other special players, or you have to be coached better. You need to suck these teams out, and to do that you need to be comfortable knocking the ball around, going backwards and sideways if necessary and being really patient and then waiting for a "moment" and they might be few and far between, but then hoping you have the quality (the special player) to capitalise on that moment.

We had a couple of these against QPR, but unfortunately we wasted them. Same against Sunderland.

If you score (especially first) in these games it changes the tactics completely, as all of a sudden the other team has to come out and try and score. But if the worst happens and they get an early goal in just means they dig in that much harder knowing even if they concede they don't have to alter their game plan.

 

[brasil_spur]

That's bonkers. You're much better than that brasil_spur.

What a terrible comparison.

I'm not sure it is that bonkers.

Ramos was doing a sterling job up to the CC win and frankly had worse players to work with than Harry currently has. He won the CC - which was no mean achievement.

But after that the team took the foot off the gas and having already qualified for UEFA (our goal for the season) let their league position slide.

Ok so then our next seasons start was bad, but don't forget that Ramos had Keane and Berbatov sold off that summer - and they were by far our two best players at that point in time.

Then Harry came in with his famous 2 points from 8 games - well we're currently 5 points from our last 9 games, and only a win against Swansea has got us higher than those 2 from 8 that Harry went on about so much.

 

[MrsKeane]

I can't help thinking ENIC is in on this whole thing and there are "financial irregularities" that Harry is behind, you know, since this shocker of a run has started, I can't help there is either something in ink already (poor england!! ) and/or there is a bung/financial transaction going on somewhere as managers don't normally either have a team which has suddenly lost it or talks about their own club and supporters in a manner as if they are already gone and is "working our their leave" The whole thing stinks!

Is it just me or anyone else feeling that something has been agreed pr paid to our players and that is linked to our poor performance!

 

[Damian99]

But I didn't want him sacked then and I don't think Redknapp should be sacked now. But when this season is over Redknapp has had long enough and two identical failures two seasons running will be just cause to be seeking a new manager.

So you don't want him sacked now but after four more games you will?? What if he/Tottenham win those and qualify for the CL??