Redknapp

[kkemal]

funny how i said this after the wigan defeat and you all jumped down my throat!!!

HR IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH, he is a top guy and a real peoples person.....but tactically he is out of his depth!

why sign piennar.....we have a team of midgets now!!

i hate this site cause as soon as you say something that goes against the beloved DL OR HR u all go crazy!!

 

[simyid]

As a Spurs fan I want to see my team win in style like Barca and Arsenal, and win the league and be in the CL every year. None of this will happen with Harry in charge, there no point in me criticising him because I have done that since he walked in the door at Spurs. However this result today doesn’t surprise me with him being in charge, his teams in the past are always a bit up and down however SOMETIMES they do play good football. However if you want a mixed bag of performances every week and a top 6 finish every year then I suggest we stick with Harry (but I warn you we won’t progress from where we are now) however if we want to go beyond that then we must look elsewhere Hiddink, Rikjaard , Jol and Schuster (the usual suspects) any of those will do. However if we want to progress we must change I know I’ll probably get abuse for this but I believe I am correct. However I will give Harry respect he took us from the bottom into the CL and I never thought he would do that, but he won’t take us further. I want us to win the Lge and CL and entertain and under him it won’t happen.[/quote]

so you didn't think he could take us to the cl and you were wrong now you don't think he will be able to sustain it well your gonna be wrong again

 

[riversmonkey]

Giving away two penalties, and going a man down obviously is dreadful, and out of the managers hands, but even in the early stages we looked tactically clueless with poor positioning throughout the team.

Lennon had to stay on the right, he's built up a good understanding with Hutton, he's found form, so keep him there. Modric seemed much too deep, and was there almost to hold Sandro's hand, where as Pienaar was busy but isolated in midfield.

I would have lined up like this, with Sandro dropping back to shield the back four, and the four attackers (including VDV) linking up to support Defoe when on the attack.

Lennon----Sandro----Pienaar---Modric

-----------VDV---------------------

---------------------Defoe-----------

 

[wooderz]

funny how i said this after the wigan defeat and you all jumped down my throat!!!

HR IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH, he is a top guy and a real peoples person.....but tactically he is out of his depth!

why sign piennar.....we have a team of midgets now!!

i hate this site cause as soon as you say something that goes against the beloved DL OR HR u all go crazy!!

On ya bike then son

 

[Nads]

Just my opinion but pretty certain the players are looking to the AC game and have been since the Man Utd game! Lack of desire and focus against teams we should beat and will be every managers undoing until we get more players in who actually understand that you have to work hard all the time. Redknapp is getting pissed off with them as a group and rightly so.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

Just looked like he was going to go ballistic on Espn but also making us look petty can't admit blame for his bad ideas

Exactly what I was going to post. He stands up and blames his team, more than most managers admit, but does not take responsibility for his bad tactics and that is what happend yesterday.

He went with no big man up front so Hughes said okay as soon as the Gomes gets the ball they are going to try and play it out from the back, so squeeze the cb's. So they did, two goals! At that point he should have brought on crouch but he didn't. Two more goals until he realises we have no threat up front. Sorry yes we had bad luck with sending off but I think tactics is what lost us the game.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Really poor tactics that were easily exposed. This was not difficult to forecast, if you watched the interview with Danny Murphy after the game he explained it very simply, the pitch was poor and Spurs a front line of midgets so they had to try and pass on a poor pitch, Hughes' instructions to Fulham were simply to press Spurs high up the pitch. We couldn't pass our way out, because the pitch was bad and we don't have the players, and we couldn't go long because we had no target man. The only upside is that 'arry tried this daft Barca formation experiment in the cup and not in the league. You can criticise him for many things but he rarely repeats his mistakes. I'd take a win at Blackburn over a win yesterday if forced to choose.

 

[Paxtonite]

Not sure why our team would be running on empty? Perhaps it is redknapps reluctance to rotate? All the hype on the OS from player interviews saying how they were going to go to fulham to finish the job but did we really even look like we wanted to win?

I was running late for the start of the game yesterday but thought not to worry as i wouldn't miss much. Bythe time i got in we were 3-0 down.

Our defence has leaked goals all season. We have yet to find a settled centre back pairing and although Hutton didnt have a totally bad game yesterday and got forward well, there are times when you have to keep things narrow and tight at the back. Corluka should have been in and perhaps lennon dropped as he hasn't been a great outlet this season.

Just because we bought Pienaar, i dont see why the guy has to make the starting line up straight away. But this is Redknapp's style. If you buy a player you play him!!

Yes it was all about individual errors yesterday, but as soon as Dawson got sent off he should have sacrificed Defoe or VDV, not his one and only defensive midfield player who must be wondering wtf he is doing in England right now!

Yesterday's game also shows how over reliant we are on bale and how we need a quality striker. Some of you have pointed out the fact that Defoe is less effective away from home. True. Crouch is ineffective imo wherever you take him :wink: but the fact is that Pav is our best striker (possibly) away from home. I dont have any stats so dont bombard me, but i think of games such as Young Boys away, Wigan away last season...games when we needed things to happen and his quality told. Less effective this season but that has more to do with him not getting a look in than anything else.

Worrying times for me. Feeling really flat about our prospects during this month. We need to get back to winning ways and quickly!

 

[There's always next year]

Just because we bought Pienaar, i dont see why the guy has to make the starting line up straight away. But this is Redknapp's style. If you buy a player you play him!!

!

Not quite the case for Sandro though.

 

[stevenqoz]

Look at our disasters of the past few years and they have usually occurred on dodgy pitches be it in the 'cold harsh north' or on the plastic fantastic in Switerland. This is not to say we lost because of the pitch but such surfaces are quite common on the relatively rare occasions we do get hammered. Much has been made of the Defoe away from home point but do people seriously believe that that was a fair measure of Defoe as the lone forward? again we can't even say it was a fair measure of him in combination with a free rover VDV....the game was lost in 13 minutes....we were playing with ten men! It is a problem for Redknapp that with VDV in the side we can't also play two out and out forwards. We had a brief glimpse (20 minutes) up at Newcastle of the 3 5 2 alternative that got us back in the game but also could have seen us lose 3-0, it was so open! Lennon and Bale as wing backs at Spurs with 3 centre backs could see VDV Modric +1 in central midfield but this only is a Plan C approach for Harry and I can't see him starting games with it.
-------Gomes
Dawson Gallas Bassong
-----Jenas Modric
Lennon---VDV---Bale
---Defoe Pav/Crouch

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Really poor tactics that were easily exposed. This was not difficult to forecast, if you watched the interview with Danny Murphy after the game he explained it very simply, the pitch was poor and Spurs a front line of midgets so they had to try and pass on a poor pitch, Hughes' instructions to Fulham were simply to press Spurs high up the pitch. We couldn't pass our way out, because the pitch was bad and we don't have the players, and we couldn't go long because we had no target man. The only upside is that 'arry tried this daft Barca formation experiment in the cup and not in the league. You can criticise him for many things but he rarely repeats his mistakes. I'd take a win at Blackburn over a win yesterday if forced to choose.

I don't know what Harry was trying there but it definitely wasn't something like Barca, we lined up like this from midfield up:

-----------Modric----------

VdV--Sandro--Pienaar--Lennon

------------Defoe------------​

I would at least understand a little bit if he went with a Barca style midfield 3 with Sandro holding and then Modric and VdV either side, then Lennon and Pienaar wide.

Yes it was all about individual errors yesterday, but as soon as Dawson got sent off he should have sacrificed Defoe or VDV, not his one and only defensive midfield player who must be wondering wtf he is doing in England right now!

Yesterday's game also shows how over reliant we are on bale and how we need a quality striker. Some of you have pointed out the fact that Defoe is less effective away from home. True. Crouch is ineffective imo wherever you take him :wink: but the fact is that Pav is our best striker (possibly) away from home. I dont have any stats so dont bombard me, but i think of games such as Young Boys away, Wigan away last season...games when we needed things to happen and his quality told. Less effective this season but that has more to do with him not getting a look in than anything else.

Worrying times for me. Feeling really flat about our prospects during this month. We need to get back to winning ways and quickly!

Agree, not sure why Sandro was taken off at all, made our midfield super featherweight and completely exposed an already struggling back 5. Sandro really must be thinking wtf right now. Was wrongly taken off and has been part of 2 poor tactical team setups now, first the cc game vs Arsenal and now this.

 

[AngerManagement]

I don't see how people can slam Redknapp for what transpired yesterday.

We were looking much the better team without creating chances (but it was only 10mins into the game)

A manager can't legislate for an England international CB and your current captain playing such a woeful pass straight to an opponent who then bares down on goal can he?

Nor can he legislate for that very same defender trying to do a cruff turn outwide when he is the last man between the keeper and attack, a turn which surely he was only looking to do to make the clearance with his weaker foot (why not just make the clearance he had so much time to make in the first place)

The second penalty and sending off was very harsh by the ref and 9/10 the fact the player got away and was able to take his shot would have been the end of the matter, but again it was a third crazy moment from Dawson.

Bassong then also stood and watched as Hangelaand snaked in behind him to score the third and with 10 men and 3 down the game was dead.

Dawson yesterday made Gary Doherty look like Bobby Moore.

 

[sloth]

First of all, many of us slam Harry Redknapp for his tactics, but it's interesting that we also seem to have a lot of different ideas about where he went wrong and what the solution should have been. That tells me that whatever the errors are, us armchair pundits can't be sure we've spotted them or that our ideas are as good as we think they are.

That said...

Crouch was not the answer yesterday, not as a replacement for Defoe anyway. Crouch simply doesn't score goals and he only provides an assist every three games or so. He's rubbish. He should never be near the starting line-up except for injuries or because we're playing 4-4-2.

Dawson should be dropped (he's lucky we don't have the replacements atm). He was shit in the second half against Toon and arguably should have had a pen awarded against him then too. Here he single handedly lost us the game. If Kaboul is punished for standing up for his team mates against the Newcastle thug then Dawson has to be punished for his crass defending. Kaboul is now injured, but he should have come straight back into the side after his suspension. Redknapp preferred to make an example of him, to the detriment of the team, by promoting Bassong ahead of him.

Pienaar was a revelation for me. One of the only highlights yesterday.

Lennon needs a rocket up his arse, he's not in the side to retain possession with a simple pass inside or back to his full-back. He can do that often, but sometimes he's just got to run at his man. He didn't do that once yesterday. And this is his regular failing. Where Bale takes the game by the scruff of its neck, Lennon subsides into mediocrity.

There is absolutely no way that Sandro should have come off for Gallas. VdV needed to be taken off and Modric pushed forward. When we later subbed VdV for JJ we saw what a waste of a sub that was.

 

[AngerManagement]

Aside from Dawson's pathetic performance the one thing yesterday highlighted was how much we rely on Bale

 

[ethanedwards]

First of all, many of us slam Harry Redknapp for his tactics, but it's interesting that we also seem to have a lot of different ideas about where he went wrong and what the solution should have been. That tells me that whatever the errors are, us armchair pundits can't be sure we've spotted them or that our ideas are as good as we think they are.

That said...

Crouch was not the answer yesterday, not as a replacement for Defoe anyway. Crouch simply doesn't score goals and he only provides an assist every three games or so. He's rubbish. He should never be near the starting line-up except for injuries or because we're playing 4-4-2.

Dawson should be dropped (he's lucky we don't have the replacements atm). He was shit in the second half against Toon and arguably should have had a pen awarded against him then too. Here he single handedly lost us the game. If Kaboul is punished for standing up for his team mates against the Newcastle thug then Dawson has to be punished for his crass defending. Kaboul is now injured, but he should have come straight back into the side after his suspension. Redknapp preferred to make an example of him, to the detriment of the team, by promoting Bassong ahead of him.

Pienaar was a revelation for me. One of the only highlights yesterday.

Lennon needs a rocket up his arse, he's not in the side to retain possession with a simple pass inside or back to his full-back. He can do that often, but sometimes he's just got to run at his man. He didn't do that once yesterday. And this is his regular failing. Where Bale takes the game by the scruff of its neck, Lennon subsides into mediocrity.

There is absolutely no way that Sandro should have come off for Gallas. VdV needed to be taken off and Modric pushed forward. When we later subbed VdV for JJ we saw what a waste of a sub that was.

Won't happen though, he's English, apparently he's passionate, playing ability is not that important.

 

[kkemal]

On ya bike then son

nah i like coming on here and having a laugh at you lot, makes me laugh how lil you lot know about football.

 

[kkemal]

I don't know what Harry was trying there but it definitely wasn't something like Barca, we lined up like this from midfield up:

-----------Modric----------

VdV--Sandro--Pienaar--Lennon

------------Defoe------------​

I would at least understand a little bit if he went with a Barca style midfield 3 with Sandro holding and then Modric and VdV either side, then Lennon and Pienaar wide.



Agree, not sure why Sandro was taken off at all, made our midfield super featherweight and completely exposed an already struggling back 5. Sandro really must be thinking wtf right now. Was wrongly taken off and has been part of 2 poor tactical team setups now, first the cc game vs Arsenal and now this.

in a 451 system the wingers dont have the same impact compared to a 442 system.

when we go away from home you have to leave certain players out. To cram SP, AL, VDV, LM all into the team and JD is crazy, that team is more suited to WHL.

Jenas has been playing pretty well this season so why not put him in, keep AL on the right and play Mods off the left wing leaving JD and PC up top. if it means VDV sits on the bench so be it. Then when we play home we can cram them all in as teams will sit off us and allow us to play.

people give me grief on here for saying so but HR proved yesterday he has not got a clue tactically cause that team he picked was all over the shop.

 

[Stavrogin]

Isn't this a futile endeavour? Yesterday was a fluke, like Inter and Young Boys... In the end things even out (in this case with better league performances, hopefully).

I think the only bit of genuine information we can take from the game is that our strikers are still not pulling their weight. Ok, it was a tough situation but not only did they fail to trouble Fulham's defence, there was no real inkling how they might do so. It's been the same story when we've had 11 men.

That's partially behind the lack of chances. Bale, Lennon, VdV and Modric have been playing decently enough in the final third but pretty much every defence has looked almost impenetrably robust - our forwards just aren't causing problems, they have next to no presence.

 

[lol]

reverse flank is to let our wingers get more shots by cutting in..that also shows HR knows that VDV + defoe wont really work..no point slating him..the formation was fine..it was dawson who totally threw the gameplan away..

 

[kaz Hirai]

we will probably stick with bale and lennon in mid, and unfortuently hutton so it would probably make sense if lennon and bale started acting more like wide forwards rather than touchline wingers since our fullbacks are attackers 1st, defenders second, more so hutton than bae