Retrospective bans for diving

[Japhet]

i would imagine we'll only see punishments dished out when its absolutely blatant....and a hell of a lot will be dismissed as inconclusive.
Its a step in the right direction, although why this can't be done on the fly by a ref in a room with a load of screens is beyond me...its not going to change the result if someone takes one for the team in the 91st minute.

I think some stuff could be reviewed in 'real time'. If the 'video Ref' spots something blatant he should be able to inform the match Ref.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

From the BBC article:
"Only incidents that result in a player winning a penalty or lead to an opponent being sent off - through either a direct red card or two yellow cards - will be punished."

So no retrospective action will be taken if a team scores a direct free kick as a result of a free-kick won by a dive.

If they are paying a panel to review footage of a couple of particularly contentious decisions (penalties and red cards), I don't see why they can't get this panel to work a couple more hours and broaden it out to any conclusive dive that wasn't spotted by the ref at the time.

 

[Col_M]

30yrs too late.

What if one of these dives led to a penalty and a goal that cost another team survival in the premiership?

It's all very subjective too.

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

Giving the managers one or two challenges to look at a replay of big decisions in-game would be better imo. Retrospective bans do naff all for the team that was cheated against so it's pointless

 

[Danners9]

If only they could tell the difference between a foul and a dive, and the grey area in between. If referees could make the distinction and give the right decisions, then punishments for those cheating would be fine. Rashford the other week was an obvious dive, clear as day. Yet it was given. Kane's vs Arsenal was a foul, two infringements by Gabriel, but it's used as an example of debate.

They also need to get rid of the lame pundit/ex-player justification of 'he's entitled to go down there' or 'well, there is contact'. It's a contact sport. Contact is not a foul and there's no entitlement.

They need to support the retrospective bans with real-time video support for the officials. I get it can be difficult and players don't help but banning after his team has benefited is only doing half the job.

 

[dontcallme]

The problem is the culture of diving is so ingrained now.

Watch old goals from the 80s. There are plenty of goals of players getting the shit kicked out of them and the player carries on running because the contact wasn't enough to put them down.

Often enough to put them off or make them lose some balance.

Nowadays the discussion is on how much contact there was. If a player gets kicked or his shirt pulled unless he goes to ground he simply doesn't get the free kick or penalty.

I am in no way saying players never dived in the 80s or before but the entire culture of diving is completely different now and has been for a long time.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

Chelsea players are favourites with the bookies for first retro diving ban: http://www.football.london/premier-league/chelsea-spurs-arsenal-players-bookies-13056777

How the hell is Kane in there?

I don't know if those odds have changed at all over the last day or so, but Costa's price of 4/1 seems quite generous. I can see that becoming something closer to even money.

 

[Phantom]

Fine with this if it is done for things which you cannot argue against, even the ones where players move their legs toward contact whilst already going down is probably murky enough to not fall foul of this.

Would be interesting to see how they interpret Moses Vs Son incident, with this approach. For me it was a blatant dive, but seen lots of "neutrals" who thought it was a stone wall pen.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

The only thing is how will this help the team that the player dived against. The result wouldn't change, the player would be punished but the team still would have drawn or won the match

This to me is still the biggest part of this issue.
Say it's last day of the season, and there's a relegation battle still taking place.
Let's hypothetically imagine that, on Sunday, Hull still need just one point to stay up. It's 0-0 with 5 mins to go and Dele takes a dubious tumble in the penalty area, resulting in a penalty which Kane converts.
Hull lose 1-0 and go down...
Come Monday, the panel decide it was a dive, and Dele gets a two match ban. Hull remain relegated...

There will always be the argument that "these things even themselves out across a season" but that's not truly the case.

Obviously the decision to retrospectively ban players for diving should reduce the incidents, but there's no guarantee.
I still think video assistance is more suited to this kind of thing. In most cases the ball has gone out of play, so there's no need to stop the game mid-flow.

 

[theShiznit]

Ashley Young may as well retire now.

 

[nightgoat]

The only thing is how will this help the team that the player dived against. The result wouldn't change, the player would be punished but the team still would have drawn or won the match

Presumably the threat of a ban is supposed to be enough of a deterrent, but I can see that being manipulated by players. Say for example Chelsea are playing us away, followed by Swansea and Brighton at home. It would be far more appealing to someone like Hazard to dive against us to try and win a penalty or get someone sent off knowing that if punished he'd be suspended for easier fixtures.

 

[theShiznit]

I think what you'll see is players diving but not appealing for the freekick/penalty.
Whether this will stop a ban I don't know, but some of these players probably dive in training it's so ingrained into them.

I can't see how they are going to regulate what is worthy of a ban or not, if a player wins a penalty that wins a match with a dive is that going to change the severity of any punishment?

Will bans be handed out even if a ref has given a yellow card during the game? If not it would seem that you would be better off being caught diving during the game than after if you get a ban rather than a yellow?

A lot needs clarifying first here.

 

[ohtottenham!]

So the planks at the FA are putting together a diving board....

 

[Dougal]

How come Dele is getting so much grief and retrospective action hasn't come into play?

 

[talkshowhost86]

How come Dele is getting so much grief and retrospective action hasn't come into play?

Yeah it's funny how that doesn't get pointed out.

If he's such a diver, why hasn't the panel put together for exactly this sort of thing given him a retrospective ban?

 

[Dougal]

Yeah it's funny how that doesn't get pointed out.

If he's such a diver, why hasn't the panel put together for exactly this sort of thing given him a retrospective ban?

Another good point.

 

[Dougal]

As much as I despise Jim White, Dele diving and Twitter, I've just tweeted Jim White about Dele diving.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Another good point.

I was backing you up.

 

[Dougal]

I was backing you up.

I feel vindicated.

 

[al_pacino]

How come Dele is getting so much grief and retrospective action hasn't come into play?

Because the punishment only comes into play if you benefit from the dive. Dele isn't good enough at falling over yet for refs to be convinced by it, when he is the bans will come