Robbie Keane

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then you must realise that if we want to progress we must have a player who not only can score goals, make assists but works for the team as well.

So you want us to dump Berbatov as well then?

 

[joey55]

We should try and improve all positions whenever possible, but at the same time we need to prioritize. Keane is good enough to play in a top 4 side, yet there are other areas of our squad in which we have players that are well short of top 4 quality. The wingers, CM's another CB and Gk are all far behind Keane in terms of quality compared to theier counterparts in the top 4. I think Liverpool would lover ot have Keane. Tevez and Rooney certainly work hard, but given the chances they get at Utd, they don't score enough goals. Compared to the players in the top 4 sides, the service Keane and Berbatov recieve from our midfield is awful, yet the consistetly score goals. Next season with Modric and another wide player with good delivery and a passing DM, Keane and Berbs should both be looking at around 20 Prem goals. Maybe next summer, after we've improved the other areas I've mentioned, we should look to see if we can get someone better then Keane, but that won't be easy.

Alot of people, including myself wanted to keep Defoe, but his deffensive work was terrible. I really can't remember him putting in a single tackle for us this season. Obviously he must have, but the point is Keane gets alot of criticism and I often feel it's because he won the "battle" with Defoe. Yet alot of Keane's criticsim is to do with him not getting stuck in, which is something that surely should have been targeted more at Defoe.

 

[TheWaddler]

Robbie has been brilliant for us for a number of seasons now, and thank god we had him. That season under Pleat when Hoddle was sacked, we were described as "West Ham with Keane" by someone in the media, and he was right - without Robbie we would have been in deep trouble.

Since then he has formed great partnerships with Kanoute, Mido and Berba and even looked good with Bent against Reading. I think strikers like playing along side him, as he drops deep and provides them with lots of chances.

IMHO the only thing you can level at him is his lack of ability in the air, but as has been said above there are lots of areas to improve before we look to Robbie. The Keane & Berba partnership was the envy of the Premiership for the last two seasons, they must have bagged nearly 100 goals in all comps together, so if we started next season with those two up front, then I'd be delighted.

If we bought David Villa or similar calibre and Keano got replaced then great, but not before we sort out the left wing, dm, back-up CB etc.

 

[nicdic]

I think we just have to trust the club in this situation. I'm sure that Ramos has identified the positions that he wants to strengthen. If one of those is the forward line, and that player is going to replace Robbie in the starting line-up, then so be it. Regardless of what time or if this actually does happen, it wouldn't be at the expense of other positions we need to strengthen as well.

 

[Flatters]

Rasiak > Keane

 

[Bus-Conductor]

So you want us to dump Berbatov as well then?

I'm going to show you the difference between Berbatov and Keane:

---------------------Keane-----------Berbatov------------

Fouls conceded-------21----------------63

Fouls-----------------22----------------59

Tackles won --------16-----------------24

Chances created-----47-------------------52

Total passes---------845-----------------1172

Acurate passes-----665-------------------809



Now you will know if you have read ratings threads that I am not averse to criticising Berbatov either, and I certainly don't think he worth some of the figures talked about. But just look at the amount of times he is fouled and fouls. They are him challenging where it hurts. Also look at the amount of passes he is making compared to keane, That's how much more he is looking for the ball than Keane.

I can understand loyalty to keane. He's a very likeable and talented footballer. But if you want us to be a top4 team, then for me he isn't a regular starter, unless of course you deem his creative contribution to be outstanding. Which as ou can see, he isn't even first there either in our team. Keane has provided 10 goal assists in three seasons. Berbatov 18 in two.

 

[the_king]

Some of these comments are just ridiculous!

One of the best partnerships in the league, if not THE best.

 

[Flatters]

Some of these comments are just ridiculous!

One of the best partnerships in the league, if not THE best.

Jenas and Ashley Cole, surely.

 

[Sbix]

I'm going to show you the difference between Berbatov and Keane:

---------------------Keane-----------Berbatov------------

Fouls conceded-------21----------------63

Fouls-----------------22----------------59

Tackles won --------16-----------------24

Chances created-----47-------------------52

Total passes---------845-----------------1172

Acurate passes-----665-------------------809



Now you will know if you have read ratings threads that I am not averse to criticising Berbatov either, and I certainly don't think he worth some of the figures talked about. But just look at the amount of times he is fouled and fouls. They are him challenging where it hurts. Also look at the amount of passes he is making compared to keane, That's how much more he is looking for the ball than Keane.

I can understand loyalty to keane. He's a very likeable and talented footballer. But if you want us to be a top4 team, then for me he isn't a regular starter, unless of course you deem his creative contribution to be outstanding. Which as ou can see, he isn't even first there either in our team. Keane has provided 10 goal assists in three seasons. Berbatov 18 in two.

Nice work Bus-Conductor. And was more really referring to the general opinion that Berbatov is and very much looks a lazy players whom doesn't always appear to be committed. And was thereby making a connection to the following "but works for the team as well." And suppose you also missed the which for me actually shows I wasn't actually saying you should want us to dump Berbatov, I wouldn't demand that of you! :grin:

May I ask for what period those stats are, (the whole of this season?) and where you found them?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Nice work Bus-Conductor. And was more really referring to the general opinion that Berbatov is and very much looks a lazy players whom doesn't always appear to be committed. And was thereby making a connection to the following "but works for the team as well." And suppose you also missed the which for me actually shows I wasn't actually saying you should want us to dump Berbatov, I wouldn't demand that of you! :grin:

May I ask for what period those stats are, (the whole of this season?) and where you found them?

Whole season. Telegraph (player info).

Berbatov isn't above criticism but even on a bad day he offers more to the team than Keane.

 

[the_king]

Jenas and Ashley Cole, surely.

I personally would have gone for myself and Gattuso.

 

[There's always next year]

I expect Keane to stay and he will be one of the two front men to start the season. However, I believe he will be under far gretaer pressure to perform than before, both in terms of goals, assists and general play. I have noted that he is lacking pace, which he previously used to create the small openings he needed to create oportunities. Without this pace, maybe he will have to adapt his game, but Ramos strategy is about fast, counter attacking football, and unfortunately Keane does not have the atributes to fit into this system, having said that neither does Berbatov.

I summary - We will have to wait and see and maybe all this second guessing is counter productive.

 

[Flatters]

I personally would have gone for myself and Gattuso.

:rofl:

 

[KeaneIsKeane]

Robbie Keane is my favorite player and I can't help but think it wouldn't be too hard for Spurs to bring in someone better for the squad then him. The thing is whenever I decide to doubt him he goes out and scores a boat load of goals or just has a great game. Like he had a great game against Reading. I know it was Reading, but he really linked the midfield to the attack well that game and used the space Bent created for him well. I feel like he's best in that role, but that is where we use Berbatov. The Keane/Berbatov relationship is an enigma to me. It looks so good, but sometimes I think it hurts the midfield.

 

[dirtydave]

he does so much off the ball that you cant just present stats and leave it at that.

the work he does encouraging the youngsters and off form players is the first thing that comes to my mind when i think of keane. i believe he will be a good coach one day.


this is a great discussion btw.

 

[Flatters]

he does so much off the ball that you cant just present stats and leave it at that.

the work he does encouraging the youngsters and off form players is the first thing that comes to my mind when i think of keane. i believe he will be a good coach one day.


this is a great discussion btw.

:eh:

 

[spurs4europe]

I'm going to show you the difference between Berbatov and Keane:

---------------------Keane-----------Berbatov------------

Fouls conceded-------21----------------63

Fouls-----------------22----------------59

Tackles won --------16-----------------24

Chances created-----47-------------------52

Total passes---------845-----------------1172

Acurate passes-----665-------------------809



Now you will know if you have read ratings threads that I am not averse to criticising Berbatov either, and I certainly don't think he worth some of the figures talked about. But just look at the amount of times he is fouled and fouls. They are him challenging where it hurts. Also look at the amount of passes he is making compared to keane, That's how much more he is looking for the ball than Keane.

I can understand loyalty to keane. He's a very likeable and talented footballer. But if you want us to be a top4 team, then for me he isn't a regular starter, unless of course you deem his creative contribution to be outstanding. Which as ou can see, he isn't even first there either in our team. Keane has provided 10 goal assists in three seasons. Berbatov 18 in two.

very well. if you want to use stats, then i'd also like to see the difference in minutes played between berba and keane. i'm pretty sure berba played more due to ramos' tendency to substitute keane earlier on in the game.

if this is true, it would also explain the difference in the statistics of chances created and passes. I'd also like to point out that in spite of that, if you calculate the number of accurate passes as a percentage of total passes keane actually has a much higher completion rate of 79%, whilst berba only achieves 69%. quite a difference there. furthermore since rk has been played further up the pitch under ramos than he did under jol, with berba dropping in behind that would also explain why berba 'appears' to be more involved - it's because he is and the team plays through him, whilst keane plays off the last defender (or more so than he was when under jol).

finally if we're using statistics then there is one thing which the stats will never count and that is movement off the ball. one of the best things about robbie keane is his constant movement which leads to the creating of chances for others through stretching the defence, even if he is not personally involved in the play.

oh and disagree with you about the closing down aspect too.
but since we don't have stats on that (i do not count tackles figures because one must factor in berbatov being more infield than he rk and so is more likely to make more tackles simply through being more involved in the play) but then again i'm not going to argue with you there since one sees what one wants to (that goes for both of us) and i see rk closing down a lot more than berba from the front.

 

[Bingy]

Suffice it to say that Robbie 'would be' WORLD CLASS of he were English....but as a 'Paddy' he is overlooked (or 'sniggered at' at best!). A mate of mine (who was at Inter, with Robbie) conceded that Inter had the best 'English' export for years, when Keano 'moved IN'. Sadly...that one fell assunder..due to Tallagh and Milan linguistics being slightly different (lol).
The fact remains that Keano is an intigral part of the THFC future, until the day that he moves on....probably next week? lol COYS!

 

[nightgoat]

That's as maybe, but the Telegraph have run a "Top 30 list of Top Performing EPL Players 2007/8" based on Opta stats.

There are only three Spurs players in the list. Berba is at 12; Chimbonda at 17 and Jenas at 27. Keane is not in the list.

But yet anyone with half a brain could clearly see Chimbonda was not the 17th best player in the league last season...

Also look at the amount of passes he is making compared to keane, That's how much more he is looking for the ball than Keane.

Shows how much he's looking for the ball... by giving it to other players... :shrug:

 

[FMA]

I hope we keep Robbie Keane. IMO he's the best British striker around. I'd even go as far to say he's WORLD CLASS!!!!! :bigsmile: