Season Ticket Renewal Thread (Read first post)

[Westmorland]

#NewSpursStadium 62,000 seat breakdown

- 42,000 Season ticket holders
- Up to 5,000 New Season ticket holders from Haringey & Enfield
- 3,000 Away fans
- 6,000 Premium Seats
- 6,000 on sale to Members per game

Anybody know how they are going to sort out the 5k new season tickets fromharingey etc

 

[Hengy1]

Anybody know how they are going to sort out the 5k new season tickets fromharingey etc

You had to register last month for them

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Of course prices were expected to go up, but there’s a balance to be struck.

And actually my seat doesn’t even exist anymore. All corporate now.

Agreed.

Do you remember the thousands of people who were no longer able to go to football when it became all-sitting? Then it became mostly season tickets and priced lots more out? If we’d have shown more solidarity with those thousands back then, maybe the game wouldn’t have developed in the way it has.

But we’ve bought our tickets, demanded more spending on players, paid for our Sky subscriptions or whatever, and priced poorer people out of the game at every turn because we weren’t prepared to sacrifice our enjoyment for their benefit.

We’ve created what we now have. So it’s a bit rich, in my opinion, to start complaining when it stings us a bit.

 

[Westmorland]

Ref corporate seats in the middle. The new stand st Liverpool is the same when second half starts it’s always empty. They have 54k seats with just about the same corporate as us while we have 8k more seats. i’m Sure their prices are nowhere near ours. I’ve only heard good things about the stand in the media. Saying it adds to the atmosphere. Looks bloody enormous

 

[spursfan77]

East Stand tickets were cheap because of the state of it, the facilities, the pillars etc. People got a good deal in that stand for a long time.

It's been clear for a long time that it would be different at the new ground. They were always gonna be equal with the West Stand. Same views, same facilities, etc. It's foolish to expect otherwise.

I'm all for questioning that the tickets are all too expensive, which I believe they are, but to beat the club with the stick of the prices in the East Stand is as misleading as the club using the very few tickets at the lowest price to boast how cheap it is.

It wasnt just the east stand. I was west lower for years and the space down there queueing up for food and trying to get to the toilets was worse than the east stand. At least there at the lower level there was space to walk about. I definitely felt that apart from the pillars there wasnt much difference, if anything the facilities were better.

It is expensive though all round. I agree with that. The increases are too much. They could just put up the corporate by another couple of hundred quid instead and they would have still sold.

 

[Dougal]

People saying you can’t compare the season ticket prices in the old stadium to the new ones are talking tosh. At the end of the day both come out of my bank account which has the same incomings so for personal budgeting reasons you have to compare them and make a personal call on whether it’s available to you or not. This isn’t the price of a loaf of bread. It’s a borderline cost for a lot of people. And if football is your way of life you find it difficult to call it a luxury item. Some weeks it’s the only thing that keeps me sane.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

People saying you can’t compare the season ticket prices in the old stadium to the new ones are talking tosh. At the end of the day both come out of my bank account which has the same incomings so for personal budgeting reasons you have to compare them and make a personal call on whether it’s available to you or not. This isn’t the price of a loaf of bread. It’s a borderline cost for a lot of people. And if football is your way of life you find it difficult to call it a luxury item. Some weeks it’s the only thing that keeps me sane.

I understand that of course. The thing is though that there are plenty of people who can't afford it at all.

But sadly, it's a commercial operation. I

f you can no longer afford it, you'll join the thousands of others who over the last few decades also couldn't afford it either, but we didn't ask the club to reduce spending all that time so that tickets could be kept at pre-all-seater levels. We just bought our tickets and largely kept schtuum until it hurt us personally.

Oh, and moan about not spending enough on players.

 

[thebenjamin]

People saying you can’t compare the season ticket prices in the old stadium to the new ones are talking tosh. At the end of the day both come out of my bank account which has the same incomings so for personal budgeting reasons you have to compare them and make a personal call on whether it’s available to you or not. This isn’t the price of a loaf of bread. It’s a borderline cost for a lot of people. And if football is your way of life you find it difficult to call it a luxury item. Some weeks it’s the only thing that keeps me sane.

It's also the cost of attending Tottenham Hotspur home matches. Of course it's comparable to the previous cost of doing exactly the same thing.

 

[lukespurs7]

Prices are an absolute joke, club have priced out most fans, there will be tourists and no atmosphere. Sad times.

For same seats we had at WHL we’d have to pay £79 a match now, imagine paying that much to see Tottenham vs Stoke or West Brom or pretty much anyone outside the top6, even a top 6 or derby game shouldn’t be more than £60 for a normal seat - it’s a disgrace.

 

[St José Dominguez]

Don't mean to rude but how is charging an extra £20 a month pricing out real fans? Was every "real" fan on such an intensely fine budget that they couldn't afford an extra tenner per game? I can't work out if it's all talk or if thousands of ST holders who have been going for years (Wembley prices were irrelevant) genuinely cannot afford to go anymore.

 

[Saoirse]

Don't mean to rude but how is charging an extra £20 a month pricing out real fans? Was every "real" fan on such an intensely fine budget that they couldn't afford an extra tenner per game? I can't work out if it's all talk or if thousands of ST holders who have been going for years (Wembley prices were irrelevant) genuinely cannot afford to go anymore.

For a lot of people the prices were already borderline. I've seen people compare a £300 cost increase to things like a good winter coat. For me and a lot of others that's a comically irrelevant comparison, I couldn't even imagine spending £300 on a coat let alone actually do it. £300 is around 4 months food spending for me. I should be able to afford it just if I can get in somewhere where it'll be "only" £200 more expensive, but it will mean massively cutting back on any other leisure spending for the year. If the atmosphere is as poor as Wembley I certainly won't be doing it again. There's a lot of people who have paid the prices out of devotion rather than because they could really afford it in the first place for whom this will be a push too far.

 

[hughy]

Don't mean to rude but how is charging an extra £20 a month pricing out real fans? Was every "real" fan on such an intensely fine budget that they couldn't afford an extra tenner per game? I can't work out if it's all talk or if thousands of ST holders who have been going for years (Wembley prices were irrelevant) genuinely cannot afford to go anymore.

Quite simply because some people have to budget.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

It would be great if we were a collective, owned by fans, able to set ticket prices ourselves and buy players and pay their wages according to what we felt was right.

But realistically we are trying to compete with clubs that have vast resources.

We vote with our feet and wallets. We fill Wembley for the big matches at premium prices. We don’t turn up in quite the same number for less glamorous games even when the prices are lower. We save our money for what we really want to spend it on, and we, collectively, do nothing about those poorer than ourselves who already can’t afford to go. If we want to go and can afford to, we pay the asking price and go, and we don’t consider the consequences for anyone else. We let them go without. So we make our choices.

By doing so, we have given ourselves glimpses into alternative futures; very expensive aspiring-to -top-class football, or more affordable lower tier football. And the way we’ve voted makes it fairly clear which we prefer.

 

[Saoirse]

It would be great if we were a collective, owned by fans, able to set ticket prices ourselves and buy players and pay their wages according to what we felt was right.

But realistically we are trying to compete with clubs that have vast resources.

We vote with our feet and wallets. We fill Wembley for the big matches at premium prices. We don’t turn up in quite the same number for less glamorous games even when the prices are lower. We save our money for what we really want to spend it on, and we, collectively, do nothing about those poorer than ourselves. We met them go without.

By doing so, we have given ourselves glimpses into alternative futures; very expensive aspiring-to -top-class football, or more affordable lower tier football. And the way we’ve voted makes it fairly clear which we prefer.

Because people aren't going to just abandon their club who they've supported for decades to follow Random Non-League FC. That's the entire reason it isn't at all okay to run football as a business or to let the game go further and further in that direction. We're supporters, not consumers.

 

[Rob]

It would be great if we were a collective, owned by fans, able to set ticket prices ourselves and buy players and pay their wages according to what we felt was right.

Have you seen on here during the transfer window? We'd offer £10 for Messi and throw a fit when we get turned down!

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Because people aren't going to just abandon their club who they've supported for decades to follow Random Non-League FC. That's the entire reason it isn't at all okay to run football as a business or to let the game go further and further in that direction. We're supporters, not consumers.

I agree 100% and have met the club on numerous occasions to make that very point. I have spent huge amounts of my own time trying to bring about change in the way commercialism has affected the game for the worse. I’ve met all sorts of football organisations and other clubs to argue exactly the point you’re making.

I’m not advocating high prices. I detest them. I abhor the exploitation of supporters’ loyalty and commitment.

I’m just not at all happy at the double standards involved in this whole subject. By our behaviour we demand commercial competition, and then complain about its effects.

 

[LukaMotion]

Have you seen on here during the transfer window? We'd offer £10 for Messi and throw a fit when we get turned down!

Isn't that what Levy does?

 

[Saoirse]

I agree 100% and have met the club on numerous occasions to make that very point. I have spent huge amounts of my own time trying to bring about change in the way commercialism has affected the game for the worse. I’ve met all sorts of football organisations and other clubs to argue exactly the point you’re making.

I’m not advocating high prices. I detest them. I abhor the exploitation of supporters’ loyalty and commitment.

I’m just not at all happy at the double standards involved in this whole subject. By our behaviour we demand commercial competition, and then complain about its effects.

On one hand I do think fans have to be realistic about our position. We've massively overachieved recently but we're not yet in a position to compete with five other PL teams on players, it's as simple as that. The issue is that these price rises have little to do with that. The new stadium will make a huge difference, but it will be through naming rights, increased capacity, corporate revenue and commercial potential. If we succeed on those ground we can compete with the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea regardless; if we don't, then the increased prices a) won't make up the shortfall and b) won't make any money at all because people simply won't pay that much if we're not at least in the top 4 and retaining our first XI players. Throwing the fans under the bus like this isn't in my opinion a smart long-term decision even if our aim is commercial competitiveness. It's a large and unnecessary risk.

 

[Dougal]

I understand that of course. The thing is though that there are plenty of people who can't afford it at all.

And there are people who have to walk miles each day to have access to clean water but let’s keep this to a conversation concerning people affected by the thread subject. It’s renewals.

 

[JollyHappy]

Ok, I know this is unlikely but if most of the season tickets are sold and then the club announce that they have signed Kane onto a new contract at 200k pw, Alli, Eriksen, Son, Rose and Toby at 150k per week, funded from the increased sale pr

On one hand I do think fans have to be realistic about our position. We've massively overachieved recently but we're not yet in a position to compete with five other PL teams on players, it's as simple as that. The issue is that these price rises have little to do with that. The new stadium will make a huge difference, but it will be through naming rights, increased capacity, corporate revenue and commercial potential. If we succeed on those ground we can compete with the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea regardless; if we don't, then the increased prices a) won't make up the shortfall and b) won't make any money at all because people simply won't pay that much if we're not at least in the top 4 and retaining our first XI players. Throwing the fans under the bus like this isn't in my opinion a smart long-term decision even if our aim is commercial competitiveness. It's a large and unnecessary risk.

I was going to say much the same. Of course no-one likes to pay more money for anything but let's face it, we now have a world class stadium and WHL was not that.

Where it will go wrong for me is if we now don't start matching the wages that the lesser clubs such as Palace or Everton are paying. We can't compete with City, Man U or Chelsea. But we can and should now be paying the key players a higher salary, so start with Kane at 200k per week and then benchmark down from that.

If we don't do that and lose players plus pay the increased prices the we have every right to complain