Sh*t home support

[yiddo23]

"Going 1-0 down was difficult, but we got a great reaction, an important reaction for our supporters, who encouraged us and backed us." -Poch

Wait...so your saying that even if we aren't playing well, staying positive and supporting your club can pay dividends, rather than bitching and moaning? Naaaaaa Noooo waaay

 

[Gassin's finest]

Crowd were morons all night. An embarrassment to our club. They got on the players backs from 20 minutes tonight and they make it more difficult to play the kind of football Poch wants us to.

We're just so expectant of perfection and entertainment. When the new stadium is built, I would refuse entry to anyone who boos at half time or groans after 10 minutes (I'd actually put them up against the wall and shoot them but the PC brigade would make a fuss).

Don't agree with this. We were frankly astonished at how dreadful we played in the first half, to the point of hilarity. Not really surprised that we were getting on their backs when none of them were doing anything, and then conspiring to fuck it all up. That's not shit support, that's frustration. It's not expectancy, its just wanting to see some actual football being played. And anyway, chants of COYS, Yid Army, and the shelfside song rang out throughout that first half. I know because I was shouting them, and my throat is hoarse this morning.

The players weren't lacking confidence because they're afraid of the crowd booing them ffs. They're not delicate flowers who's feelings you'll hurt. They're scared of fucking up because the form has dipped, and the mentality is weak. As soon as we started playing actual football the whole mood changed.

All we want is for the team we watch is to give it a go and not cower away.

 

[yido_number1]

Don't agree with this. We were frankly astonished at how dreadful we played in the first half, to the point of hilarity. Not really surprised that we were getting on their backs when none of them were doing anything, and then conspiring to fuck it all up. That's not shit support, that's frustration. It's not expectancy, its just wanting to see some actual football being played. And anyway, chants of COYS, Yid Army, and the shelfside song rang out throughout that first half. I know because I was shouting them, and my throat is hoarse this morning.

The players weren't lacking confident because they're afraid of the crowd booing them ffs. They;re bnot delicate flowers who's feeling you'll hurt. They're scared of fucking up because the form has dipped, and the mentality is weak. As soon as we started playing actual football the whole mood changed.

All we want is for the team we watch is to give it a go and not cower away.

Theres a fine balance. Palace turn out and cheer their team at 3-0 down to Liverpool, there players give it maximum effort to back up the support and they come back to 3-0. We have an expectancy at Tottenham and too often it goes silent at the lane especially after half time where you constantly hear the away fans outsinging us.

I've been a regular and for the most part season ticket holder since 2002 and at the moment I would say the atmosphere is as poor as I've known it. Too many people expect something from the players but aren't willing to support them with enough atmosphere which leads to the "not wanting to fuck up" mentality that a few of our players have.

 

[Nebby]

Theres a fine balance. Palace turn out and cheer their team at 3-0 down to Liverpool, there players give it maximum effort to back up the support and they come back to 3-0. We have an expectancy at Tottenham and too often it goes silent at the lane especially after half time where you constantly hear the away fans outsinging us.

I've been a regular and for the most part season ticket holder since 2002 and at the moment I would say the atmosphere is as poor as I've known it. Too many people expect something from the players but aren't willing to support them with enough atmosphere which leads to the "not wanting to fuck up" mentality that a few of our players have.

No amount of screaming or shouting is going to turn this team into something it's not. I don't think they are capable of producing the exciting, attacking football we saw under Harry. I also think that with every passing week, more and more fans are waking up to the fact that Sherwood was kinda right: our team is a much of a muchness. There are some good players in there, but I don't think they all suit each others game or the system three managers seem hellbent on pursuing: one up top. Our squad still looks like it's been thrown together on a whim and plays like it, too.

Who else thought, after all those years of selling our brightest and best, that two back-to-back top four finishes was going to be the start of something new? I did. That's why I'm frustrated. We are not progressing, we are going backwards.

 

[wooderz]

I was on the shelf upper last night right by the park lane, and to be fair, it was awful. But it started out okay... chants, oh when the spurs, yid army, shelf side/park lane... then we say the type of football the team were serving up, and everyone just sat back in their seats going fuck this! The first hour was total dross, I've seen better played at my local park during a Sunday league game. The system was terrible, 2 holding midfielders and 1 up top against a team in a lower division... at home...? PLEASE!

Anyway as soon as we went 4-4-2 and the team actually started threading a pass or two, the crowd livened up. I get the argument that you should support no matter what, but it's damn hard when you're getting frustrated time and time again by these millionaires not able to put a 10 yard pass to their team mate.

We won, it's all good, but it's chicken and egg - the support starts lively, the team plays well, the support will get livelier. OR, the support starts lively, the team play like last night, the support says fuck right off!

The disappointing thing for me is I and a few others were trying to start songs, only for the other 10000 on the shelf to remain deathly silent... but at least a few of us tried I suppose

 

[Borks]

I was on the shelf upper last night right by the park lane, and to be fair, it was awful. But it started out okay... chants, oh when the spurs, yid army, shelf side/park lane... then we say the type of football the team were serving up, and everyone just sat back in their seats going fuck this! The first hour was total dross, I've seen better played at my local park during a Sunday league game. The system was terrible, 2 holding midfielders and 1 up top against a team in a lower division... at home...? PLEASE!

Anyway as soon as we went 4-4-2 and the team actually started threading a pass or two, the crowd livened up. I get the argument that you should support no matter what, but it's damn hard when you're getting frustrated time and time again by these millionaires not able to put a 10 yard pass to their team mate.

We won, it's all good, but it's chicken and egg - the support starts lively, the team plays well, the support will get livelier. OR, the support starts lively, the team play like last night, the support says fuck right off!

The disappointing thing for me is I and a few others were trying to start songs, only for the other 10000 on the shelf to remain deathly silent... but at least a few of us tried I suppose

That's part of the problem, a few of us are willing to start songs and sing for the majority of the game but you just get looked at like you're a twat who is shouting in a library.

 

[spursfan77]

Crowd were morons all night. An embarrassment to our club. They got on the players backs from 20 minutes tonight and they make it more difficult to play the kind of football Poch wants us to.

We're just so expectant of perfection and entertainment. When the new stadium is built, I would refuse entry to anyone who boos at half time or groans after 10 minutes (I'd actually put them up against the wall and shoot them but the PC brigade would make a fuss).

I NEVER boo or groan at a misplaced pass. Its obviously counter productive. I might moan like fuck to the people around me but I wouldn't let it convey over to the pitch.

I think the crowd would be more supportive if we had players that got us out their seats, a good run, a hard tackle, it lifts the crowd. We do none of that. It works both ways, players have to give the impression of wanting to play well from the start of the game. Sure we might not score in the first half but its always loud at kick off. Sometime the fans lose heart after 5/10 minutes when we can see the players aren't closing down or attacking purposefully or actually trying.

 

[yido_number1]

No amount of screaming or shouting is going to turn this team into something it's not. I don't think they are capable of producing the exciting, attacking football we saw under Harry. I also think that with every passing week, more and more fans are waking up to the fact that Sherwood was kinda right: our team is a much of a muchness. There are some good players in there, but I don't think they all suit each others game or the system three managers seem hellbent on pursuing: one up top. Our squad still looks like it's been thrown together on a whim and plays like it, too.

Who else thought, after all those years of selling our brightest and best, that two back-to-back top four finishes was going to be the start of something new? I did. That's why I'm frustrated. We are not progressing, we are going backwards.

I agree its not a great team but there is some potential there. The introduction of Mason last night showed how crucial a forward passer can be in the midfield. Two defensive types make for a slow attack. If we can just get that right and back the team no matter what we might do something. This team is better than any Jol had, yet we supported the players and they played with some adventure. A negative atmosphere saps confidence and saps the adventure out of the team. Fear of failure in our team out weighs the positive of success...

 

[Coyboy]

I was on the shelf upper last night right by the park lane, and to be fair, it was awful. But it started out okay... chants, oh when the spurs, yid army, shelf side/park lane... then we say the type of football the team were serving up, and everyone just sat back in their seats going fuck this! The first hour was total dross, I've seen better played at my local park during a Sunday league game. The system was terrible, 2 holding midfielders and 1 up top against a team in a lower division... at home...? PLEASE!

Anyway as soon as we went 4-4-2 and the team actually started threading a pass or two, the crowd livened up. I get the argument that you should support no matter what, but it's damn hard when you're getting frustrated time and time again by these millionaires not able to put a 10 yard pass to their team mate.

We won, it's all good, but it's chicken and egg - the support starts lively, the team plays well, the support will get livelier. OR, the support starts lively, the team play like last night, the support says fuck right off!

The disappointing thing for me is I and a few others were trying to start songs, only for the other 10000 on the shelf to remain deathly silent... but at least a few of us tried I suppose

Is it a bit of chicken and egg, I agree, but then why do we support the team? Only if they reciprocate and play well? I can understand frustration and moans now and then but isn't the point of going to games to support and get behind the team in the hope or expectation that they do well?

I can understand fans expressing their anger at a misplaced pass or at the countless times our players refuse to be positive and move the ball forwards, but there should be constant support on other occasions. Chants of COYS, Yid Army, Oh when the Spurs should sound out for most of the game whether we are winning, losing or drawing and whether it's against Forest or Arsenal. This may be naïve but isn't that what happens at many clubs in Germany and across the continent?

Sky were alluding to our fans getting frustrated at our players but it's more the silence and apathy of fans that irks me. Too many fans just pay their money and sit back to say "right entertain me". That's not how it works for me and why I wish I could be in the South Lower or SE Shelf all the time. I think there are too many fans like that interspersed with tourists and families who just come for a day out. Why don't they just go to Alton Towers?

 

[wrd]

I must admit, I was very dissapointed with the fans when I went against liverpool.. was it down to the fact that the guy to the left of me with his son were shouting at naughton for the first 20 minutes of the game everytime rose got the ball.. Or was it the woman next to me who brought minstrels and rowntrees who sat there grazing whilst having headphones in and not making a sound.. I'm not sure but the overall support was lacking but on TV it looked a better atmosphere vs forest than it did vs west brom or liv.

 

[CowInAComa]

No amount of screaming or shouting is going to turn this team into something it's not. I don't think they are capable of producing the exciting, attacking football we saw under Harry. I also think that with every passing week, more and more fans are waking up to the fact that Sherwood was kinda right: our team is a much of a muchness. There are some good players in there, but I don't think they all suit each others game or the system three managers seem hellbent on pursuing: one up top. Our squad still looks like it's been thrown together on a whim and plays like it, too.

Who else thought, after all those years of selling our brightest and best, that two back-to-back top four finishes was going to be the start of something new? I did. That's why I'm frustrated. We are not progressing, we are going backwards.

We have played good attacking exciting football this very season. So thats the whole 'incapable' argument done with for a start.

And we see countless cases of 'teams' of supposedly lesser talented players playing exciting attacking football week in week out on match day. Its not done to lack of ability. We are capable of playing football that doesnt make you want to slit your wrist. We just dont do it very often.

Psychologically we are pathetic and cant seem to string two games together or display any sort of backbone when under pressure

 

[parklane1]

We are not playing well ( and have not done so for a while), however the brain dead morons were at it again last night with the booing and slagging off players. I can never understand the mentality of those who think that booing and slagging of players is going to make them play better.


We choose to go and pay our money knowing that we are a work in progress and its going to take time before the team improves, knowing that why do these aresholes still turn up and as soon as the first pass goes astray they start to bitch, i have been going to the lane for years but it is such a negative place now and chalk and cheese from the away games.

 

[Khilari]

I find it bizarre how so many people feel that they are 'entitled' to good displays every week. Some times players will not play well for various reasons such as (a) couldn't give a f-itis or (b) legs don't respond to brain-iris or (c) tired or (d) injured. Some of these reasons may respond to crowd input. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that they are more likely to respond to cheering and try harder for a crowd willing them on than a silent, muttering, mumbling or even booing crowd.

So, if as a Spurs fan your ultimate desire is for the team to score goals and win, no matter your feelings on the performance, cheer the boys on. Vent your feelings at the end of the game, or on forums like this, twitter or Facebook. But quietly mumbling or boo'ing probably will not help.

Feel lame as a Spurs fan at the moment to see so many Forest fans criticise our support last night.

 

[Borks]

I'm not sure what pisses me off more; being expectant of winning every game or the fickleness of our fans.

Some players go from world beaters to shit and back again multiple times within the course of a season.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

I'm not sure what pisses me off more; being expectant of winning every game or the fickleness of our fans.

Some players go from world beaters to shit and back again multiple times within the course of a season.

Multiple times within the course of a game quite honestly.

 

[Mr-T]

What we need is some specific chants for when the team is behind or is playing shite - something to cheer up proceedings that would also encourage the players.

 

[CowInAComa]

Multiple times within the course of a game quite honestly.

Kaboul and Capoue where the bedrock of every armchair pundits Spurs dream team last season when they werent playing.

The only way you can retain favour with our support is to not be picked and then everyone loves you.

 

[Ironskullll]

"The fans played a fantastic part because they created that atmosphere where the players didn't want to let them down. That's the great beauty of fans like that - it creates an expectation they want to live up to."

SAF talking about the impact crwods have on performance, following the Ryder Cup.

 

[nipponyid]

What we need is some specific chants for when the team is behind or is playing shite - something to cheer up proceedings that would also encourage the players.

We've already got one...

 

[beats1]

Been saying it for years. The place is filled with tourists and families.

People were moaning alot about younger fans being priced out and hardly surprising, we have effectively the most expensive season ticket in the premier league. People look at this table:

Now you think that the we are second but the makes of the table overlook some key details. Tottenhams season ticket is for 21 games(including 2 cup games) and Arsenal's is for 26 games (7 cup games). The rest are for 19 games

Now if you take the average price;
Arsenal: cheapest season ticket, cost per game - £39 per game, most expensive season ticket, cost per game - £77
Tottenham: cheapest season ticket, cost per game - £38 per game, most expensive season ticket, cost per game - £90

Now the Arsenal costs are slightly higher then for the lowest season ticket BUT that was worked out on the average. If you consider that ours includes a Europa league play off match and a Carling cup match which are category B or C games then effectively their is cheaper as theirs includes at least 3 category B or A games(CL games)

Last season they got games these free: Fenerbahce, Chelsea, Napoli, Dortmund, Marseille, Tottenham And Coventry
Last season, we got these games free: Dinamo Tblisi and Tromso

The cost for those tickets was;
Arsenal: cheapest season ticket £985, avg price per game £38
Tottenham: cheapest season ticket £795, avg price per game £38

Its little wonder why the average age of supporters is 41