Should we bring Comolli back to revive our transfer situation?

[tototoner]

says Daniel Levy and David Dein best chairman / Chief Exec he ever worked with

 

[StartingPrice]

As a guy who pays his mortgage by his ability to rate a player (in a different sport), I can tell you his approach is ridiculous. The idea that a player can be better understood by looking at his stats is simply wrong. Comolli is an idiot, he's dabbling in areas he doesn't understand, and has been shown up numerous times!

If I model myself on him, do you think I could emulate his earnings

 

[guy]

As a guy who pays his mortgage by his ability to rate a player (in a different sport), I can tell you his approach is ridiculous. The idea that a player can be better understood by looking at his stats is simply wrong. Comolli is an idiot, he's dabbling in areas he doesn't understand, and has been shown up numerous times!

Ridiculous is about right, football is not based on stats, the only stat that really has credibility is goals scored by strikers. You cant judge a MF on stats, cant believe he is saying this!!

 

[tototoner]

He so didnt use the moneyball approach at Livershite did he?

70 odd mill on Downing, Henderson and Carroll is the opposite of the philosophy

http://footballspeak.com/post/2012/04/18/Holy-Comolli.aspx

 

[StartingPrice]

Ridiculous is about right, football is not based on stats, the only stat that really has credibility is goals scored by strikers. You cant judge a MF on stats, cant believe he is saying this!!

I think he's right...Jermaine Jenas has always looked like two-thirds of a player

 

[HappySpur]

Moneyball has two different aspects

There is an economic side
and
There is a value-assessment side

Comolli uses the value-assessment aspect of Moneyball (called sabermetrics in baseball). At it's core, even this is not about judging players on stats. It's about using under-exploited means of judging players to gain an advantage and to a lesser extent seeking out talent in untapped markets (although this is also an economic consideration). One can do this quite easily in baseball using stats. But all sports are not the same, and thus just copying the statistical method in baseball shows how very naive Comolli is about it. There are statistics that can be used to aid in scouting a player, but they are aids not endpoints in this sport.

As for the economic side, Comolli has never been about that. He pays too much for players regardless of their stats. In fact, he has so little regard for the economics of Beane's methods that we shouldn't even use the term moneyball with Comolli. We should just refer to sabermetrics.

And as for the idea that we are not bringing in youth.....our youth system is stronger now than it ever was under Comolli or Arnesen. What those clamoring for "youth" are talking about young stars on the radar of everybody. They want the hot 21 year old like Hazard, and don't see the need for Coulibaly, Gomelt, Veljkovic, Modeste, Luongo, Pritchard plus all the kids we have out on loan. These people don't want to develop the next Wayne Rooney, they want to buy him at 22.

 

[eddiebailey]

says the personality of the player as important as talent

talks about Gareth Bale. extremely stable family life and person

says Bale reminds him of Maldini and that he 1st told Bale that he should play LM for a few years and then move back to LB later in his career

This is Comolli right? The guy who signed Taarabt, Boateng, Dos Santos and Bostock, adn went on to sign Suarez adn Carroll. Christ knows what sort of personality he is looking for: a pisshead, racist thug who thinks he has a God given right to be in the starting eleven at Real Madrid?

 

[tototoner]

This is Comolli right? The guy who signed Taarabt, Boateng, Dos Santos and Bostock, adn went on to sign Suarez adn Carroll. Christ knows what sort of personality he is looking for: a pisshead, racist thug who thinks he has a God given right to be in the starting eleven at Real Madrid?

He also signed Modric, Assou-Ekotto and Kaboul for us, and Boateng isn't doing too bad at AC Milan

 

[StartingPrice]

He also signed Modric, Assou-Ekotto and Kaboul for us, and Boateng isn't doing too bad at AC Milan

Bale.

Unfortunately, some folk are just determined to continuously repeat the same mypoic view of things until everyone gets tired of correcting them, and then it will becme the truth

 

[BPR_U16]

Moneyball has two different aspects

And as for the idea that we are not bringing in youth.....our youth system is stronger now than it ever was under Comolli or Arnesen. What those clamoring for "youth" are talking about young stars on the radar of everybody. They want the hot 21 year old like Hazard, and don't see the need for Coulibaly, Gomelt, Veljkovic, Modeste, Luongo, Pritchard plus all the kids we have out on loan. These people don't want to develop the next Wayne Rooney, they want to buy him at 22.

As you say, I do believe we are on the right road with our youth policy - it's a real question of keeping these kids and aiding their development and is one of reasons we are investing even more into this area of our club. Our recent history of bringing players through is not great, but this could be about to change in next year or so. However, we still need players for certain positions now (and they ultimately may be a barrier to the youth comuing through) but we do not appear to have a clear policy of identifying who we need, and do not think the Harry idea of quick fixes by getting in an older established player is the answer.

 

[AngerManagement]

No way should we bring him back.

Not saying we shouldn't look at reverting to that structure, but surely there are better men for the job than DC

 

[sloth]

Moneyball has two different aspects

There is an economic side
and
There is a value-assessment side

Comolli uses the value-assessment aspect of Moneyball (called sabermetrics in baseball). At it's core, even this is not about judging players on stats. It's about using under-exploited means of judging players to gain an advantage and to a lesser extent seeking out talent in untapped markets (although this is also an economic consideration). One can do this quite easily in baseball using stats. But all sports are not the same, and thus just copying the statistical method in baseball shows how very naive Comolli is about it. There are statistics that can be used to aid in scouting a player, but they are aids not endpoints in this sport.

As for the economic side, Comolli has never been about that. He pays too much for players regardless of their stats. In fact, he has so little regard for the economics of Beane's methods that we shouldn't even use the term moneyball with Comolli. We should just refer to sabermetrics.

And as for the idea that we are not bringing in youth.....our youth system is stronger now than it ever was under Comolli or Arnesen. What those clamoring for "youth" are talking about young stars on the radar of everybody. They want the hot 21 year old like Hazard, and don't see the need for Coulibaly, Gomelt, Veljkovic, Modeste, Luongo, Pritchard plus all the kids we have out on loan. These people don't want to develop the next Wayne Rooney, they want to buy him at 22.

Brilliant post mate!

Since you've been on this site, I've been enjoying your posts more and more!

 

[eddiebailey]

He also signed Modric, Assou-Ekotto and Kaboul for us, and Boateng isn't doing too bad at AC Milan

And even Assou-Ekottu admits his head wasn't right when he first signed for us. I was not commenting on Comolli's ability to judge footballing flesh, though that was at best hit and miss (there was a Gilberto for every Bale) but for him to talk about the importance of signing the right personality is just jaw dropping. His modus operandi was to find kids with an inflated sense of entitlement and then make promises on which managers' were never going to deliver in order to get them to sign for us.

 

[StartingPrice]

And even Assou-Ekottu admits his head wasn't right when he first signed for us. I was not commenting on Comolli's ability to judge footballing flesh, though that was at best hit and miss (there was a Gilberto for every Bale) but for him to talk about the importance of signing the right personality is just jaw dropping. His modus operandi was to find kids with an inflated sense of entitlement and then make promises on which managers' were never going to deliver in order to get them to sign for us.

TBH, thst is something the Whinger does at Goonsville...according to their testing, Bentdner was the most confident player who had ever existed and was, therefore, going to be great

 

[THOWIG]

Txiki Begiristain

 

[keepthehomefiresburning]

If we do decide for a dof would hope we would go for Cruyff

 

[Paolo10]

If I could reach through the screen and slap anyone, it would be you Dan.

Yes let's bring Comolli back, that went so well the first time around and he did such a sterling job at Anfield there before he got the heave ho.

We're still lumbered with some of his shit for fuck's sake.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Txiki Begiristain

This. Or Larini, Valdano, or Baldini

 

[not_tenth-again]

Yep, those 4 or cruyff. Theyre the best and It will release levy to sort out the stadium too. The fly in the ointment is harry. He will never work under one. I expect the idea is shelved for one more year

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

If I could reach through the screen and slap anyone, it would be you Dan.

Yes let's bring Comolli back, that went so well the first time around and he did such a sterling job at Anfield there before he got the heave ho.

We're still lumbered with some of his shit for fuck's sake.

I'm really pissed that we're lumbered with Bale, Modric, Kaboul, BAE. What a **** that Commoli is.