Should we bring Comolli back to revive our transfer situation?

[markiespurs]

I would rather bring back compulsory anal probing than have that rat faced **** Comolli back at the club.

There'll be a 'shall we bring back Ramos' thread next.

Started no doubt, by Dan

 

[mattyspurs]

I'm pretty sure it is spelt ZOKARA

He bought us Modric, Berbativ, Bale, BAE and Kaboul. Scouting-wise it wasn't a complete disaster. Lack of cohesion between himself and Jol and then choosing the wrong manager to 'take us to the next level' were his downfalls.

Out of those, i will give him BAE and Kaboul. The others didn't really need much scouting to be honest, we just sold the club better than the the other clubs did at the time.

 

[dontcallme]

Out of those, i will give him BAE and Kaboul. The others didn't really need much scouting to be honest, we just sold the club better than the the other clubs did at the time.

For which surely Commoli as first point of contact deserves some credit.

 

[mattyspurs]

For which surely Commoli as first point of contact deserves some credit.

As i said, i will give him BAE and Kaboul, but If I remember correctly, didn't Daniel Levy have to take over the Modric negotiations?

 

[RJ1882]

As i said, i will give him BAE and Kaboul, but If I remember correctly, didn't Daniel Levy have to take over the Modric negotiations?

Modric signed for Ramos - he said so himself. It was the effort a great coach like Juande Ramos went to that convinced Modric to chose Spurs over Newcastle. Ha ha, a great coach. We were fooled.

I agree on BAE and Kaboul, talent spotted by Comolli. But it took Redknapp to make them into decent players. They struggled before that. Kaboul was a failure first time around. Benny only came good after 3 seasons, albeit fairly injured hit seasons.

 

[nightgoat]

If Comolli was responsible for all our best signings, like he claims to be, who now must be unearthing young players for Fulham?

I'm not sure to what extent Comolli had any influence on Liverpool's team in the Next Gen series, or how many players in their team he brought to the club, but going by the game we knocked them out in they were utilising players for their size relative to the age group, rather than technical prowess. Which I think we all know isn't the way to go about things.

 

[seanwhite1961]

At least when we had a DoF we managed to get our business done more than 30 seconds before the deadline.

Not in the summer 2008 window we didn't, as Comolli failed to bring in either Luis Garcia or Kevin Doyle, much to Levy's displeasure.

 

[Kingstheman]

Not in the summer 2008 window we didn't, as Comolli failed to bring in either Luis Garcia or Kevin Doyle, much to Levy's displeasure.

We wanted Kevin Doyle?

Why was I not informed?

 

[StartingPrice]

We wanted Kevin Doyle?

Why was I not informed?

I think it is filed away under Comedy Gold in the SC archives

If Comolli was responsible for all our best signings, like he claims to be, who now must be unearthing young players for Fulham?

I'm not sure to what extent Comolli had any influence on Liverpool's team in the Next Gen series, or how many players in their team he brought to the club, but going by the game we knocked them out in they were utilising players for their size relative to the age group, rather than technical prowess. Which I think we all now isn't the way to go about things.

That was the impression I got from the Next-Gen, too...I don't think Comolli was ther eto have too much influence onthese things...the DOF is a role concerned with the long term vision of a club. The idea is that the DOF presides over the long term direction of a club, a series of coaches take on the coaching role with the players inherited/provided.

 

[seanwhite1961]

We wanted Kevin Doyle?

Why was I not informed?

Days after the story was that the Reading hierarchy had indicated in advance that they wouldn't be available for any business after 6pm, and Comolli was trying to contact them in the last hours of the deadline.

 

[Kingstheman]

Days after the story was that the Reading hierarchy had indicated in advance that they wouldn't be available for any business after 6pm, and Comolli was trying to contact them in the last hours of the deadline.

Comolli

 

[yanno]

No, but we should bring in a better DOF to work with Rodgers. The ideal combination IMO and one more in tune with how the model is supposed to work - i.e. DOF and a proper COACH who works with players day to day.

It wouldn't work with Redknapp because he is a kind of poor man's DOF anyway - in that he delegates most of the coaching.

But a young up and comer like Rodgers whose raison d'être is coaching could really benefit from an experienced DOF with god global contacts and knowledge. Someone like Monchi would be worth considering - and Rodgers speaks spanish.

The dynamics are very complex, and I believe the key question is which structure is better: a coach and a DoF or a coach and a Chief Scout (to find the players) and a Director of Finance (to do the deals)?

Here's what Ramos said about his relationship with Monchi, the Sevilla DoF:

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How does your relationship with sporting director Monchi work? What roles do you have when it comes to choosing players?
There’s a clear consensus. I tell Monchi the player or type of player I want: fast, tall, left-footed, right- footed, good in the air…and, based on his work and expertise, he says to me: “Look, we have this guy, or this guy.” Between us, we identify the player, or players, who can fit that. But it’s not always like that. For example, Freddie Kanoute was a player no one here really knew and I recommended him because I had seen him for Tottenham and West Ham.

Would you like the model to be more like in England, with you controlling the signings? In Spain, at other clubs, the sporting director-coach model has caused lots of problems.
The thing is, the coach doesn’t really have time to do both jobs. What you need is trust and professionalism.

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My own view is that with regard to the first team, any relationship should work along the lines described by Ramos. Conflict between coaches and DoFs usually occurs when the DoF signs a player who may be very good but doesn't fit into the coach's team structure.

Classic example: Comolli's signing of Kevin Prince Boateng, who Jol pretty much refused to play. Prince Boateng is obviously now playing regularly for AC Milan, so he is a pretty decent player.

However, with regard to the Academy, I think we should be signing the best players possible. It doesn't matter what position they play, or whether they'd fit into the current first team tactics. All that matters is that they have genuine top class potential and ideally a good attitude.

When you have a chairman like Levy, who loves to negotiate contracts, I'm not sure that you need a DoF. A Chief Scout with a clear road map (as above) should be fine.

As an example, Comolli signed John Bostock against great competition and public vilification from then Palace chairman Smon Jordan. If he'd signed Bostock with Liverpool's dollars, the ridiculous fees paid for journeymen Carroll, Henderson, Downing and Adam suggest we'd have paid £5million upfront.

As it is, I believe Palace only get £5million if John Bostock makes dozens of PL starts and becomes an England regular. I don't know, but I'm willing to bet that Levy structured that deal. Or at the very least demanded that it was structured on the basis that payments were triggered by on field performance.

So, with Levy as chairman, I would opt for a Chief Scout whose first team priorities are determined by the coach, and whose Academy signings are based on potential and attitude.

 

[StartingPrice]

I think it should be added that the role created for Tim Sherwood, which looks at coordination and compatibility with all of our squads, from the youngest to the full team, does look to have all of the players playing to an agreed system and style - so that upcoming players can slot into older age groups. So the best players possible being brought in should not mean they couldn't suit our style, as, I believe, the idea is that they will be schooled into that style.

But I believe a DOF has a wider remit than just identifying and acquiring players - they also have a lot to do with the overall direction, on the footballing side, of the club.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Some Comolli signings over the years:

Zokoroa- £8m
Bent- £16m
Bentley- £16m
Pavlyuchenko- £14m
Downing- £18m
Adam- £8m
Carroll (who I still think will be very good)- £35m
Henderson- £20m

I'll assume this thread was a joke.

Yes, the joke of Darren Bent who recently signed for Villa at £24m.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Yes, the joke of Darren Bent who recently signed for Villa at £24m.

Irrespective of how he's done since, he was completely the wrong signing for us, as was proven subsequently. We had Berbatov who had been with us a year, Keane on the best form of his career, Defoe still chomping at the bit and even Mido at that time. We did not need to splash £16m on Darren Bent, we had far more pressing concerns. Any wanker with half a brain could see that. Unfortunately, Comolli had even less than half a brain.

 

[StartingPrice]

So, so far, the voting goes like this?

Dan Ashcroft = YES

Everyone else = NO

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[Destroyer]

Levy is not likely to return to the 'Director of Football' setup until the managers situation is sorted, theres not point bringing anyone like Commoli in case the next manager doesnt want to work with him & besides in my opinion it wasnt that successful in the past & theres nothing to say it will be in the future.

 

[kishman]

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NO!

 

[hodsgod]

Commoli was a bloody nightmare, yes he got some players right, but then again so would I. As for his roll as DoF, well he completely undermined a decent manager. Regardless of what you think of Jol, he built a decent squad, which Harry has improved upon, yet DC was undermining him at board level.

We don't need arseholes like that in the club.

 

[Krafty]

Seeing as Dalglish says he identified the players and Comolli was left to make the deals happen, and they spent 20 mill on Downing, 16 on Henderson, and 8 on Adam, I don't think we want to go anywhere near him.

The deals for Bentley, Bent, Pav, Zokora, he obviously isnt very good at negotiations or valuing players.

I'd rather we just honed our scouting network, something that might have to come with a new manager, but the powerful DoF is a thing of the past. Hopefully