So close to being Top tier European Club

[Lilbaz]

We become an elite team by winning regular trophies.

 

[coys200]

This thread is fucking wild

Can always count on me ?

 

[coys200]

City have spent €3.4 billion to get where they are

Again you’ve missed the whole point of the thread which was how close we are. In that our infrastructure will be perfect and all we need is probably 20% of a squad.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Again you’ve missed the whole point of the thread which was how close we are. In that our infrastructure will be perfect and all we need is probably 20% of a squad.

First off, that's a very optimistic guess.

Secondly, as already pointed out, it wouldn't cost £200m but at the very least £1.2bn because you can't just ignore the cost of buying the club.

But maybe most importantly, it jettisons the reasons why we've been able to go from being a mid-table and sometime relegation-fighting club to a regular top 4 club. We've developed a methodology that works.

Buying new players is no longer a guarantee of success unless you do it Man City style and throw muliple billions at it, and £200m will easily and inevitably turn into £400m or quite possibly more before it clicks. And above all, what effect may that have on the rest of the squad of players that everything is supposed to be based on? Start throwing money around and what might that say to Harry or Dele, or even Sonny, and others including maybe Pochettino who could all easily more than double their earnings by moving if they were to buy into the new mentality that you're advocating.

Despite your optimism it would be a huge gamble that would put at risk almost everything that has and still is being achieved.

I hope we get some new top-class players in, but I hope we do it in the way that we've already proved works for us.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

First off, that's a very optimistic guess.

Secondly, as already pointed out, it wouldn't cost £200m but at the very least £1.2bn because you can't just ignore the cost of buying the club.

But maybe most importantly, it jettisons the reasons why we've been able to go from being a mid-table and sometime relegation-fighting club to a regular top 4 club. We've developed a methodology that works. Buying new players is no guarantee of success, £200m may well turn into £400m or more before it clicks, and what effect may that have on the rest of the squad of players that everything is supposed to be based on? Start throwing money around and what might that say to Harry or Dele, or even Sonny and others who could all easily more than double their earnings by moving if they were to buy into the new mentality that you're advocating.

Despite your optimism it would be a huge gamble that would put at risk almost everything that has and still is being achieved.

I hope we get some new top-class players in, but I hope we do it in the way that we've already proved works for us.

Although I agree with your first sentence, if we were to start throwing money around there's no way (IMO) that some of that wouldn't land in the wage slips of the current squad and there's no way (again IMO) that throwing money around, wouldn't be seen as ambition by any of the players or indeed, anyone else on the planet.

The reasons we are where we are are all well and good, romantic, noble, yatta yatta yatta and people can puff their chests out about doing it 'the right way' until the cows come home but it'll only take us so far, we might even win something doing it like this, but if we want to sustain it, there's no way, absolutely no way, we'll do that doing it without putting a large mallet to Daniel Levy's piggy bank. Or selling the club to some lunatic gazillionaire.........Or football finally reaching a financial breaking point....... All in my onions, natch

 

[Saoirse]

Honestly the only thing I'm jealous of City about is how cheap their tickets are. That's the only thing that'd half tempt me to wish for the type of owner who saw us as a toy or PR machine rather than a direct investment.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Although I agree with your first sentence, if we were to start throwing money around there's no way (IMO) that some of that wouldn't land in the wage slips of the current squad and there's no way (again IMO) that throwing money around, wouldn't be seen as ambition by any of the players or indeed, anyone else on the planet.

The reasons we are where we are are all well and good, romantic, noble, yatta yatta yatta but it'll only take us so far, we might even win something doing it like this, but if we want to sustain it, there's no way, absolutely no way, we'll do that doing it without putting a large mallet to Daniel Levy's piggy bank.Or selling the club to some lunatic gazillionaire......... All in my onions, natch

The whole point of investing in the infrastructure in the way the club has is to increase its ability to invest in players. Who owns it eventually won't matter.

If you or anyone is asking for someone wealthy to simply buy us the best players, and now please, you're just wishing for the same thing that supporters from all clubs wish for, manna from heaven.

Tottenham seem to be building something that will fund its own success, and will mean that we aren't dependent on the whim of a generous benefactor, a multi-billionaire who isn't looking for a return on his cash. Yes, there's a chance that we might find one, just as any other club might, but there's a far better chance that the methodology that's being developed at Spurs will work, because we can see it working, and it's real, not a fantasy or a dream or a letter to Santa .

In my opinion, it's a matter of time scale and lots of supporters just don't want to wait any longer and would risk it all for a wild gamble.

 

[vegassd]

But it can be that simple if you know what you are doing. Pep identified exactly what he needed went out and bought it and City got 100 points.

And we are doing the same, but our 100 point season hasn’t landed just yet.

I’ve been reading the Brave New World book recently and it’s interesting to see how set Poch is on players adopting his philosophy rather than buying new players. He spoke about converting Dier to DM and actually having to argue with Levy that we didn’t need to buy one. Levy wanted to spend but it was Poch who said no!

So I think if we got a sugar daddy it wouldn’t be to Poch’s liking - or at least it wouldn’t be necessary to build a successful Poch team. He seems to have a very good relationship with Levy and that’s going to be more important long-term than a quick injection of cash.

I agree with you about us being close. Once the stadium is up and running we will have all the tools we need. A few squad tweaks based on Poch’s requests will see us perform even better. We really don’t need oil money.

What Pep has done at City was not based solely on money spent. It’s about him getting his players into a system of play and of belief. Yes they are great players, but that mentality is a huge benefit. You can see it in Liverpool and in Spurs too.

In short, let’s forget about the headline financial figures for once and focus on creating an atmosphere around our club that is positive, because that positive energy is exactly what a Poch team needs - not 200m of new players.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

If you or anyone is asking for someone wealthy to simply buy us the best players, and now please, you're just wishing for the same thing that supporters from all clubs wish for, manna from heaven.

No, I'm not asking for anything, I'm relaxed about it, my point was that we will, eventually, have to spend a lot of money But.......if it were to happen, if we were to buy our way to success, it wouldn't bother me one bit, whoever is in charge. I'm not sure what made you think otherwise, all I said was we would have to start spending at some point, wether that's with Levy in charge or someone else. I'm not sure where you got my specifically asking for someone wealthy to buy us from

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

No, I'm not asking for anything, I'm relaxed about it, my point was that we will, eventually, have to spend a lot of money But.......if it were to happen, if we were to buy our way to success, it wouldn't bother me one bit, whoever is in charge. I'm not sure what made you think otherwise, all I said was we would have to start spending at some point, wether that's with Levy in charge or someone else. I'm not sure where you got my specifically asking for someone wealthy to buy us from

I agree that we'll have to spend more.

Sorry if I mis-interpreted your post as suggesting that you thought Levy wouldn't do it!

 

[spids]

But that’s exactly my point there’s clearly deeper issues at United as they’ve already tried that. For us it’s the odd tweak, well a £200m tweak. Unless you think players like Kane eriksen dele etc aren’t good enough or Pochettino isn’t. It’s very doubtful if Mourinho is the man he was and that was my point that we are so close while others need major work. The only ones as close as us I’d say are Liverpool but I think in 15-20 years they will regret not building a new stadium.

So would Poch be happy with the new owners? Would we get some Russian or Arab billionaire? Levy sells and Poch goes to Madrid IMO. And when Poch goes so does Dele, Eriksen, Vertonghen, Kane etc. And then we’ll splash sums like £150M on the likes of Pogba and get a new manager every other year, and we’ll be in the same boat as Chelsea and Man U.

 

[JimmyG2]

Don't buy it
Build it.
Where's this proof
that building a squad
will only take you so far.
We are on the verge
and taking a short cut
across the field
could backfire nastily.

 

[riggi]

Stealth enic out thread.

10/10.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Don't buy it
Build it.
Where's this proof
that building a squad
will only take you so far..

Where's the proof that being "on the verge" is going to make us regular title winners/one of the European big five?

Number of clubs who have sustained winning titles by spending money? Several.

Number of clubs who have done it our way and after being on this verge of yours gone on to win titles/the CL over a period of time? (as suggested in the thread title) None.

There's your proof

Well, you did ask.

 

[double0]

I believe fully fit we are 2 players short of being special.

 

[JimmyG2]

Where's the proof that being "on the verge" is going to make us regular title winners/one of the European big five?

Number of clubs who have sustained winning titles by spending money? Several.

Number of clubs who have done it our way and after being on this verge of yours gone on to win titles/the CL over a period of time? (as suggested in the thread title) None.

There's your proof

Well, you did ask.

Exactly.
Nobody else has tried it.
We have progressed to the verge
and are well ahead of the curve
in a very short space.
When we drop back to midtable
i accept its the wrong path.
Temporarily anyway.
In the meantime
enjoy, support and believe.
but especially enjoy
and stop looking over the hedge
for a pot of Sugar Daddy gold.
Where's the fun in that.

 

[Fidget]

Was just thinking we are literally a Levy phone call away from being up their with the very elite in Europe. The call would be “yes I will sell”. And then wo could sit right with the PSG City Madrid Barcelona. I doubt any club in Europe will have a better infrastructure than us added to being in London. Ok some may have slightly bigger stadium, but imo 62k considering the quality will be enough to be considered elite. I mean what are City about 53k I think. So there it is training facility, lodge,Stadium,manager and 80% of squad.

For me there’s probably about 5 or 6 I’d ship out tomorrow and replace with top quality that I feel would make us very serious CL contenders. I don’t even think it would cost that much. Also a new loaded owner would have plenty of FFP wriggle room. This is what I would do some might sound harsh.

Out: Aurier Davies(which x2 full backs is very debatable) wanyama dembele llorente Nkoudou. If done in January and throw maybe a janssen and Onomah I reckon we could get £100m for that.( obviously this is all fantasy but just trying to demonstrate how little it may cost)

In: x2 FB 100m DM 50m CM 70m AM 70m ST 30m.

So Net would be £200m which to a City type owner is chicken feed. We must seem a hugely attractive proposition to the right buyer. In fact it makes you wonder that if Levy sat down and did these numbers he must realise how close we are. You’d think if he can find £1bn for a stadium he could rustle up another £200m. Anyway the point of all this was just to show how very close we are to being a top 5 European club. Just to say don’t want to make this a player specific transfer thread as obviously the transfer forum is open, more interesting if people think I’m deluded ? or we really are that close and even with a new mega money owner we’d be considered as elite.

what the hell you taking? ?
to a certain extent you may be right but we are at a place now that could go either way. building up slow is good though and a trophy would be my first target.

 

[Deleted member 27855]

It would cost a billion just to buy us. Chelsea, City and PSG were bought for peanuts so the owners could plough millions into the football side.

Anyone who spends a billion to buy us will see it as a long term investment, probably leveraged with loans like the Glaziers did. Don’t expect hundreds of millions on players if it comes to pass.

It would cost more than a billion to buy us. Our facilities alone are worth more than that. I'm not delusional enough to call us among the "european elite" but we actually may have the best facilities in Europe at the moment.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

The problem here is that we're now arguing about whether it's more likely to win titles by spending big or not. Clearly, spending big is more likely to bring success, as it always has been.

But that isn't the question raised by the OP, or for that matter the real dilemma facing Spurs.

We often behave as if all that has to happen to transform THFC into the English Real Madrid is for Joe Lewis or DL to sell up to some Sheik or oligarch, as if there are Mansours and Abramoviches hanging off the trees.

But the club and its various financial advisors has trawled the planet for funders and financiers. They are hardly a low-profile operation, so it's unlikely many multi-billionaires or global wealth funds aren't aware of THFC . If there were parties realistically both willing and able to buy out ENIC and fund the transformation needed to deliver the very highest level success, do we really imagine that Lewis and Levy, not exactly known for their laissez-faire attitude to value, would simply turn them away?

I assume that not many people here have any experience of how finance at the level we're talking about works, so a lot of the talk about selling up and getting new owners in is pie in the sky. And in the meantime, Spurs are trying to do something that might just succeed even without depending on cash gifts from outside, and it looks as though they're doing a better job than most football clubs that are working on a commercial basis. I quite like that approach, which seems to me to be a better balance between being both intelligent and ambitious than most clubs manage to achieve.

 

[gaffers]

We become an elite team by winning regular trophies.

The End.