This thread is fucking wild
City have spent €3.4 billion to get where they are
Again you’ve missed the whole point of the thread which was how close we are. In that our infrastructure will be perfect and all we need is probably 20% of a squad.
Although I agree with your first sentence, if we were to start throwing money around there's no way (IMO) that some of that wouldn't land in the wage slips of the current squad and there's no way (again IMO) that throwing money around, wouldn't be seen as ambition by any of the players or indeed, anyone else on the planet.First off, that's a very optimistic guess.
Secondly, as already pointed out, it wouldn't cost £200m but at the very least £1.2bn because you can't just ignore the cost of buying the club.
But maybe most importantly, it jettisons the reasons why we've been able to go from being a mid-table and sometime relegation-fighting club to a regular top 4 club. We've developed a methodology that works. Buying new players is no guarantee of success, £200m may well turn into £400m or more before it clicks, and what effect may that have on the rest of the squad of players that everything is supposed to be based on? Start throwing money around and what might that say to Harry or Dele, or even Sonny and others who could all easily more than double their earnings by moving if they were to buy into the new mentality that you're advocating.
Despite your optimism it would be a huge gamble that would put at risk almost everything that has and still is being achieved.
I hope we get some new top-class players in, but I hope we do it in the way that we've already proved works for us.
Although I agree with your first sentence, if we were to start throwing money around there's no way (IMO) that some of that wouldn't land in the wage slips of the current squad and there's no way (again IMO) that throwing money around, wouldn't be seen as ambition by any of the players or indeed, anyone else on the planet.
The reasons we are where we are are all well and good, romantic, noble, yatta yatta yatta but it'll only take us so far, we might even win something doing it like this, but if we want to sustain it, there's no way, absolutely no way, we'll do that doing it without putting a large mallet to Daniel Levy's piggy bank.Or selling the club to some lunatic gazillionaire......... All in my onions, natch
And we are doing the same, but our 100 point season hasn’t landed just yet.But it can be that simple if you know what you are doing. Pep identified exactly what he needed went out and bought it and City got 100 points.
No, I'm not asking for anything, I'm relaxed about it, my point was that we will, eventually, have to spend a lot of money But.......if it were to happen, if we were to buy our way to success, it wouldn't bother me one bit, whoever is in charge. I'm not sure what made you think otherwise, all I said was we would have to start spending at some point, wether that's with Levy in charge or someone else. I'm not sure where you got my specifically asking for someone wealthy to buy us fromIf you or anyone is asking for someone wealthy to simply buy us the best players, and now please, you're just wishing for the same thing that supporters from all clubs wish for, manna from heaven.
No, I'm not asking for anything, I'm relaxed about it, my point was that we will, eventually, have to spend a lot of money But.......if it were to happen, if we were to buy our way to success, it wouldn't bother me one bit, whoever is in charge. I'm not sure what made you think otherwise, all I said was we would have to start spending at some point, wether that's with Levy in charge or someone else. I'm not sure where you got my specifically asking for someone wealthy to buy us from
But that’s exactly my point there’s clearly deeper issues at United as they’ve already tried that. For us it’s the odd tweak, well a £200m tweak. Unless you think players like Kane eriksen dele etc aren’t good enough or Pochettino isn’t. It’s very doubtful if Mourinho is the man he was and that was my point that we are so close while others need major work. The only ones as close as us I’d say are Liverpool but I think in 15-20 years they will regret not building a new stadium.
Where's the proof that being "on the verge" is going to make us regular title winners/one of the European big five?Don't buy it
Build it.
Where's this proof
that building a squad
will only take you so far..
Where's the proof that being "on the verge" is going to make us regular title winners/one of the European big five?
Number of clubs who have sustained winning titles by spending money? Several.
Number of clubs who have done it our way and after being on this verge of yours gone on to win titles/the CL over a period of time? (as suggested in the thread title) None.
There's your proof
Well, you did ask.
what the hell you taking? ?Was just thinking we are literally a Levy phone call away from being up their with the very elite in Europe. The call would be “yes I will sell”. And then wo could sit right with the PSG City Madrid Barcelona. I doubt any club in Europe will have a better infrastructure than us added to being in London. Ok some may have slightly bigger stadium, but imo 62k considering the quality will be enough to be considered elite. I mean what are City about 53k I think. So there it is training facility, lodge,Stadium,manager and 80% of squad.
For me there’s probably about 5 or 6 I’d ship out tomorrow and replace with top quality that I feel would make us very serious CL contenders. I don’t even think it would cost that much. Also a new loaded owner would have plenty of FFP wriggle room. This is what I would do some might sound harsh.
Out: Aurier Davies(which x2 full backs is very debatable) wanyama dembele llorente Nkoudou. If done in January and throw maybe a janssen and Onomah I reckon we could get £100m for that.( obviously this is all fantasy but just trying to demonstrate how little it may cost)
In: x2 FB 100m DM 50m CM 70m AM 70m ST 30m.
So Net would be £200m which to a City type owner is chicken feed. We must seem a hugely attractive proposition to the right buyer. In fact it makes you wonder that if Levy sat down and did these numbers he must realise how close we are. You’d think if he can find £1bn for a stadium he could rustle up another £200m. Anyway the point of all this was just to show how very close we are to being a top 5 European club. Just to say don’t want to make this a player specific transfer thread as obviously the transfer forum is open, more interesting if people think I’m deluded ? or we really are that close and even with a new mega money owner we’d be considered as elite.
It would cost more than a billion to buy us. Our facilities alone are worth more than that. I'm not delusional enough to call us among the "european elite" but we actually may have the best facilities in Europe at the moment.It would cost a billion just to buy us. Chelsea, City and PSG were bought for peanuts so the owners could plough millions into the football side.
Anyone who spends a billion to buy us will see it as a long term investment, probably leveraged with loans like the Glaziers did. Don’t expect hundreds of millions on players if it comes to pass.
We become an elite team by winning regular trophies.