Spurs report Man U & Liverpool to Premier League

[guy]

fucking gutted. to see it in words on the official site is just so much worse then all the message board shite we've read for the past few weeks

levy is a top man for sticking up for us and giving the big fuck you to those wankers ferguson and benitez

the only thing that will somewhat appease me is if we sell berba overseas and sell keane for a truckload, ie 25mill, or he stays and becomes shit (i would take that with gio becoming our new top no.10)

 

[dj_stu]

we shouldn't sell either until we have got the highest possible price for them and have necessary replacements lined up

let's not fuck ourselves over anymore than already being about to lose two of our best players in one summer

 

[BootneySpursWorth]

Having slept on the matter and feeling a little more logical about it all:

1.Will Berba and Keano give us 100% next season if we hold onto them against their wishes?

2. Did Berba give 100% last season in any case?

3. If they are going they need to go now, to give us maximum time to secure proper replacements.

4. Will Berba and Keano get the same number of starts playing for Man U/Liverpool - probably not.

5. Are we better cashing in on players when they reach their ceiling value or allow them to age and fade?

6. Last season we were probably over weight in the goal scoring department and weaker in midfield/defense. Maybe we are due an overhaul in personnel, I personally could not face yet another season where we start poorly defensively.

Its down to Mr Levy to obtain the maximum prices asap so Ramos can work his magic in the transfer window once again. No one man is bigger than the club, and there is no such thing as loyalty and legends anymore. You think King would be still here if he had been perfectly fit for the last 6 years and played out of his skin week in, week out. No chance - he'd be off too. There will be no such thing as a Tottenham legend anymore.

An excellent rational approach!

Personally I will be gutted if Berba goes, as he would be ideal for JRs style of play. He is without doubt one of the best in the business and would be difficult to replace! Keano has been with us for a few years now, however has only attracted real interest since the arrival of Berbs, basically after a while of getting use to each other, any striker will look good playing alongside Berbs!! So I think getting £18/20 mill for a 28yr old striker on the downward slope (goal tally reducing) is extremely good business, considering the young up and coming strikers around of similar quality. Plus Keane will also get what he wants, in respect of playing for his club and with the added bonus of Champions league.

On the flip side, Levy needs to also set a precedence with player loyalty/discipline, he needs to make some form of example out of the strikers, so that other players need to be aware that petulance will not be tolerated and that sulking will not get you what you want.

If it were down to me I'd sell Keane (he's easily replaceable) and tell Berbs (who is not so easy to replace) you're not going anywhere and then when we've qualified for Champs league (in place of the pool). Berbs will think damn am I glad that I'm still at Spurs playing Champions league in the Sunshine of London, rather then rainy Chester...!!!

The Spurs Badge is at the front and the Players name at the back.... whatever happens I will love my club more than any player ....!!!!

 

[tRiKS]

Not to piss on your chips, because I do think something will come of this, but the whole West Ham-Lasagna thing didn't work out so great. Nor the Ramos stuff. Nor "the club doesn't comment on speculation" policy. :wink:

But to say 100% is a tad skewed. :up:

Getting closer to 20k

Ramos was at the end of his contract so we were legally allowed to approach him according to PL and FA rules and legally allowed to approach according to FIFA and UEFA laws too. Conventionally, in Europe according to recent comments from UEFA and FIFA, clubs allow these approaches even on long contracts to remain unsolicited. If berba and keane were within the last 6 months of thier contracts or out of contract. then they can be approached without the clubs consent.

Our recent statement about not commenting on EVERY peice of transer gossip remains the stance, as we have only commented on an unlawful action not a tabloid rumour. You know the difference surely?
We have only commented on this becasue of the laws being broken and we have to legally delcare our official actions becasue we are a Plc.
As far as our targets which are pursued within the laws are concerened and as far as the transfers of our players that have been conducted by other clubs are concerened, we don't and won't comment until they are done.
We will contiune to not deny or comment on the countless other rumors. We will however declare any action we take against a club or governing body if they break a law that damages Tottenham Hotspur FC

I'm not sure what you're getting at about lasagne gate. qucikly tap down what you mean and i'll respond.

 

[rez9000]

Whichever way we choose to look at it, we've been shafted.

No matter how well we do in the future without the Traitors of Tottenham, right now, it's a blow. Those two were one of the most effective strike partnerships we've had since Sheringham and Klinsmann. Most of us believed (rightly or wrongly) that Berbatov was already unsettled, but to then get someone destabilising Keane as well is wrong.

It doesn't matter if we've done it too (although I believe we haven't). It's a case of how long do we have to continue to struggle and strain for our success? How long do we have to keep twisting and wriggling under the huge pressure that the Top Bastards exert on the lower parts of the League before we are allowed to take our place at the head table?

This is more than just getting in players that Benitez and SAF want. It's also about depriving us of having them. Look at Shaun Wright-Phillips and Steve Sidwell. Chelsea bought them, but how much of a part have they really played? But the clubs they left suffered for it. There must be other players that could partner Torres up front. But no, Benitez targets Keane, not only because he may want the player, but I have no doubt to prevent us from having him.

There's been a lot of talk on other forums and websites about our hypocrisy, Bostock's transfer and Ramos' hiring being the main weapons in the 'argument'. What people fail to realise is that in the case of both, we didn't act improperly. We all know what happened with Bostock. And even though 'Ramosgate' was an awful stain on our reputation and was a result of some really despicable behaviour on the part of some our board members, we didn't technically do anything wrong. And therein lies the difference. We have, at the very least, acted correctly, if not totally honourably.

Another difference between us and Man U and Liverpool is that we are not trying to cement our positions at the expense of others. We buy players because we feel that we need them, not to stop other clubs from having them. We don't use dirty and illegal tricks to unsettle players and turn them against their clubs. We don't do that, safe in the knowledge that we have a compliant and corrupt League who will turn a blind eye to every dirty shenanigan we choose to engage in.

Whether or not this is simply a PR stunt to cushion the blow of losing two of our most important players, it's still a response to something that is fundamentally wrong. We should stand up to the marauding Top 4. We need to work from a position that says 'this League is made up of more than four teams'. We need to take up a stance that stops us from perennially feeding off the crumbs of the Premiership table. And Levy (who you all know I view with some distrust) has at least, in this instance, done that.

But this affair should bring home to the fans how little soul is left in English football. How small it has become in spirit, while it's body becomes fat and corrupt. Sport is more than just about money. Why do we speak of the 'beautiful game'? Because it's supposed to be about more than the Champions League. It's supposed to be about more than which players play at the biggest clubs. It's supposed to be about more than just money. And the sad part of it is, that the people who have it within themselves to force change, to take back what's been stolen, don't act. Our Chairman has acted, but he has done it for all the reasons above, while we, the fans sit back and bemoan what happens, instead of standing up and doing something about it ourselves.

 

[Dibby]

This summer has been a disaster so far, no matter how you look at it IMO.

Only plus points are Modric and Dos Santos and I don't think they outweigh losing Berbatov and Keane.

 

[nidge]

This summer has been a disaster so far, no matter how you look at it IMO.

Only plus points are Modric and Dos Santos and I don't think they outweigh losing Berbatov and Keane.

I think you might need a username change soon. :-|

 

[Dibby]

I think you might need a username change soon. :-|

Don't think I haven't tried.

Archie can be a real arse when he wants to be. :lol:

 

[Flatters]

This still definitely hasn't sunk in yet. It just doesn't seem real.

 

[dvdhopeful]

This summer has been a disaster so far, no matter how you look at it IMO.

Only plus points are Modric and Dos Santos and I don't think they outweigh losing Berbatov and Keane.

Enough was seen of Gomes during the Quarter Finals to think that he is a big positive also, at the very least, an improvement over what we had available last season.

If both players go, I would hope for an absolute minimum of £40. That plus other players, such as Kaboul, Chimbonda, TT etc should push us upto £50. Aside from crying over Keane and Berba, I'm excited to see who else will come in to join Modric, Dos Santos and Gomes.

One thing that I think is being a touch over looked is our formation and the fact that selling our top two strikers could fascilitate the change more comfortable. Take out Keane and Berbs, bring in an Arseshavingesque player plus an out and out quality front man and you are left with

Bentleyesque DM Modric Dos Santos
Arseshavingesque
Front Man

I know that four out of those six we dont have yet :lol: but still, I hope you see what I'm suggesting. It's a formation which many teams have used successfully and I could see us doing so as well. Obviously the Front Man we'd bring in could be Berba and the Arseshavingesque player, Keane, but lets forget about that :wink:

 

[Dibby]

I'm more concerned about how much all these transfers are going to disrupt the squad.

 

[joey55]

This summer has been a disaster so far, no matter how you look at it IMO.

Only plus points are Modric and Dos Santos and I don't think they outweigh losing Berbatov and Keane.

That is quite a huge plus point though. Alos Gomez does have the best save % in Europe. Obviously it doesn't tell us all we need to know, but at least we know he's a world class shot stopper. Hutton and Woodgate only arrived in Jan, so whilst this is a terrible blow, there are more positives than negatives in the last 7 months or so of player trading. Bale is fit, King is probably going to be fit and we might well sign Bentley. Whatever happens we will much stronger than last season, when everyone associated with the club (bar BMJ) seemed to be delusional about how strong we were.

 

[tRiKS]

Whichever way we choose to look at it, we've been shafted.

No matter how well we do in the future without the Traitors of Tottenham, right now, it's a blow. Those two were one of the most effective strike partnerships we've had since Sheringham and Klinsmann. Most of us believed (rightly or wrongly) that Berbatov was already unsettled, but to then get someone destabilising Keane as well is wrong.

It doesn't matter if we've done it too (although I believe we haven't). It's a case of how long do we have to continue to struggle and strain for our success? How long do we have to keep twisting and wriggling under the huge pressure that the Top Bastards exert on the lower parts of the League before we are allowed to take our place at the head table?

This is more than just getting in players that Benitez and SAF want. It's also about depriving us of having them. Look at Shaun Wright-Phillips and Steve Sidwell. Chelsea bought them, but how much of a part have they really played? But the clubs they left suffered for it. There must be other players that could partner Torres up front. But no, Benitez targets Keane, not only because he may want the player, but I have no doubt to prevent us from having him.

There's been a lot of talk on other forums and websites about our hypocrisy, Bostock's transfer and Ramos' hiring being the main weapons in the 'argument'. What people fail to realise is that in the case of both, we didn't act improperly. We all know what happened with Bostock. And even though 'Ramosgate' was an awful stain on our reputation and was a result of some really despicable behaviour on the part of some our board members, we didn't technically do anything wrong. And therein lies the difference. We have, at the very least, acted correctly, if not totally honourably.

Another difference between us and Man U and Liverpool is that we are not trying to cement our positions at the expense of others. We buy players because we feel that we need them, not to stop other clubs from having them. We don't use dirty and illegal tricks to unsettle players and turn them against their clubs. We don't do that, safe in the knowledge that we have a compliant and corrupt League who will turn a blind eye to every dirty shenanigan we choose to engage in.

Whether or not this is simply a PR stunt to cushion the blow of losing two of our most important players, it's still a response to something that is fundamentally wrong. We should stand up to the marauding Top 4. We need to work from a position that says 'this League is made up of more than four teams'. We need to take up a stance that stops us from perennially feeding off the crumbs of the Premiership table. And Levy (who you all know I view with some distrust) has at least, in this instance, done that.

But this affair should bring home to the fans how little soul is left in English football. How small it has become in spirit, while it's body becomes fat and corrupt. Sport is more than just about money. Why do we speak of the 'beautiful game'? Because it's supposed to be about more than the Champions League. It's supposed to be about more than which players play at the biggest clubs. It's supposed to be about more than just money. And the sad part of it is, that the people who have it within themselves to force change, to take back what's been stolen, don't act. Our Chairman has acted, but he has done it for all the reasons above, while we, the fans sit back and bemoan what happens, instead of standing up and doing something about it ourselves.

I admire your ability to wait and then post after you've thought about it and wirte your resposnes with clarity and interlligence. Lots of your points are exaclty how i feel and whave written but i tend to do it in a far more reactioanry way and my prose is oftern comprosmied because of my haste and inpatience and spelling issues.

Your points regarding the hypocracy of Levy are really good ones. I'm reading and hearing lots of ill informed views regrding our approaches for Ramos and Bostock. Often the accusations of hyporcary are being left unchecked by presenters on the radio and editors in the papers?! You'd think media professionals would want to be right above all other things.. but alas they seem not to care.

Considering the "Spurs are desperate to sign Cisse" comments got Benitez in trouble with his chairman and only the personal apology from Rick Parry and public retraction from Benitez appeased Levy enough for him to drop it and then Benitez goes and makes the recent comments, show me he STILL hasn't learnt his lesson. That fact makes me tend to lean towards the theory that Rafa isn't bright enough to factor in upsetting us as a primiary objective in getting Keane. I think he wants Keane cos he does think he's good and becasue he thinks he can gt him for less than the other targets he likes. I think he's gonna end up paying more than he thinks and will forever be looking at Keane and thinking "i could have got Villa for that amount".

I know it's a long shot but how silly would rafa look if we signe Villa or eto for less than we sold them Keane?

I still have some faith regarding the spirit of the game. Blind faith.

 

[Dibby]

I'm not sure if I'm being a lttle blind to what's on offer but I fail to see who we can bring in that will be anywere near as good as Robbie and Berba.

Of course, there are players out there that can do it.... but do they want to come to Spurs?

 

[tRiKS]

I'm not sure if I'm being a lttle blind to what's on offer but I fail to see who we can bring in that will be anywere near as good as Robbie and Berba.

Of course, there are players out there that can do it.... but do they want to come to Spurs?

At the monet it still seems there are more tier 1 and 2 strikers looking to move than clubs that want to buy them.

I think we've had irons on the fire for a while regarding Dimitar and will announce a replacemnt for him as and when. Keane seems to be a little more recenlty but we still have time

 

[DC_Boy]

As I've said many a time Gomes is our biggest signing of the summer (metaphorically and literally - GK was our weakest position and assuming all this WP stuff has gone through, and from next week we can see him in our goal, we've got someone who will be a definite step up and massive step up almost certainly

As for the statement, my suspicion was immediately this is Levy preparing for court action, or at least the threat of it to force an out of court settlement

 

[joey55]

As I've said many a time Gomes is our biggest signing of the summer (metaphorically and literally - GK was our weakest position and assuming all this WP stuff has gone through, and from next week we can see him in our goal, we've got someone who will be a definite step up and massive step up almost certainly

As for the statement, my suspicion was immediately this is Levy preparing for court action, or at least the threat of it to force an out of court settlement

I think people have lost track of what happened in the Chelsea case. Chelsea weren't worried about the FA making them pay us compensation for tapping up Arnesen. They were worried about having points docked, following having already been in serious hot water over the Cole affair. I don't think Liverpool or Utd have ever really been involved in anything like as bad as the Cole incident, so there will be no docking of points. Essentially Levy blackmailed Chelsea. He can't do the same to Liverpool or Utd, as there is no way they will have points docked for this. They'll just say go ahead and take this complaint as far as possible. I bet the worst that will happen is they will be fined. I seriously doubt there will be any question of compensation for us.

 

[Paq]

There's been a lot of talk on other forums and websites about our hypocrisy, Bostock's transfer and Ramos' hiring being the main weapons in the 'argument'. What people fail to realise is that in the case of both, we didn't act improperly. We all know what happened with Bostock. And even though 'Ramosgate' was an awful stain on our reputation and was a result of some really despicable behaviour on the part of some our board members, we didn't technically do anything wrong. And therein lies the difference. We have, at the very least, acted correctly, if not totally honourably.

Oh right, so we got permission from Sevilla to speak with Ramos did we? Must have missed that one...

 

[Chris12345]

Maybe not directly... tho maybe an extra couple of £m on top of the transfer fee in return for dropping the charges :up:

 

[Chris12345]

Oh right, so we got permission from Sevilla to speak with Ramos did we? Must have missed that one...

We didn't need to, he was nearing the end of his contract IIRC...