Match Threads Spurs vs West Brom- Match Thread - Day 22

[handsomecake]

Djimi Traore has a champions league winners medal.

Eh he does . How can you neg rep a fact .

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Im talking about players breaking through into the first team and staying there. Like Kane. Not the little cameos you're on about above.

Kane started with "little cameos" and they weren't very good. Somewhere in the bowels of this site there is a post I made where I opined that, despite his obvious footballing intelligence, ball control, hold-up ability and movement, I thought the then-18-year-old Kane would never make it as a Premiership footballer because he was so slow.

He worked hard. He got faster. He got better.

Devine and White can already cope against Championship-level opponents and they have the look of players who can get better, who have developmental upsides. They have a reputation for hard work and coachability. Skipp has been able to cope at a European level for over a year and is one of the outstanding players in this season's Championship. There is just no evidence that our recent academy output has a materially lower quality than the group that produced Kane, Mason, Walker-Peters, Winks, et al. They're just younger.

And you're just a whingeing, negative character who is always on the lookout for things to be angry about. I've read your posts. You've given away your attitude many times.

Play the ball not the man mate. You don't know me at all. I don't even live in England. You've essentially branded me a racist in that post for no reason either like im some sort of middle aged gammon fan.

I didn't say a word about race. You did. Hmm.

The two guys who had a rage-thing about Y. P. Lee were obsessed with his "lack of end product", which is what put it in my mind. They'd spend half of every match on their feet, bawling "you fucking useless ****" every time he'd start an attack and it wouldn't lead to a goal, which admittedly was every time he'd attack.

Nor did I say a word about age. You did. I'm not sure why you'd assume I would take against someone because they're middle-aged. I'm arguably past middle age myself. I just ... failed to mellow.

 

[wrd]

I always enjoy coming back to match threads after a comfortable win to see that yes, people have still found a way to get into a fight hours later.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I always enjoy coming back to match threads after a comfortable win to see that yes, people have still found a way to get into a fight hours later.

That's because a lot of our "fans" are people from S****horpe.

And some of us don't tolerate people from S****horpe. Especially after we win.

 

[walworthyid]

He’s clearly not shite in that has has some great technical skills, but then so did Stephane Dalmat.
The problem is he’s got no football brain at all.
He plays like a zombie just running around.

What did Dalmat achieve in his entire career? At what level was the little he did achieve?

We aren't talking about a player who hasn't operated at the very highest level. Moura is enfuriating in that he tends to run down blind alleys a lot. That doesn't make him a poor player though does it? He has loads of ability, picking a pass or having composure at the end of a run just isn't his strongest suit. He does it, just not consistently. He is a far better player than Bergwyn, Bergwyn is just more tactically astute.

Today, he played well and made a lot happen as well as getting a very good assist.

 

[DiVaio]

Hes really not shite mate. You don't score a hattrick in a champions league semi-final or play for psg and brazil if you're shite. He's frustrating i grant you, but shite, not by a way.

Well the players can decline in 2 years. And he did.
Of course he isn't shit but it really depends on who you compare

 

[danielneeds]

What did Dalmat achieve in his entire career? At what level was the little he did achieve?

We aren't talking about a player who hasn't operated at the very highest level. Moura is enfuriating in that he tends to run down blind alleys a lot. That doesn't make him a poor player though does it? He has loads of ability, picking a pass or having composure at the end of a run just isn't his strongest suit. He does it, just not consistently. He is a far better player than Bergwyn, Bergwyn is just more tactically astute.

Today, he played well and made a lot happen as well as getting a very good assist.

He did alright today, but I think Bergwijn's got a much higher ceiling. He's just suffering from pretty low confidence at the moment. He can run and dribble like Lucas, but he can see a pass and play with his head up.

 

[danielneeds]

I would associate technical with him at all. Maybe we look at it differently. He's a run and hit merchant.
He can't put his foot on it, slow down the play and make a decision.

I mean technical in the sense he hits a ball very sweetly when he's on form, he also can dribble well in tight spaces. But he's been playing with his head down every since he emerged in Brazil, right the way to now.

 

[DiamondLites]

West Brom were lucky to get 0 if you ask me they’re a shower of shite with a proper football dinosaur in the dugout. We’ve got Jurassic Park, they’ve got One Million Years BC with Raquel Welch

 

[UbeAstard]

Tend to agree with this view, good run for the 2nd goal, but too often runs up blind alleys & loses the ball.

Overall an acceptable performance, although we still looked dodgy at the back. Just a shame that after finally getting back to winning ways we have MCity up next in the Prem.

He was one of the driving force with the energy we needed today though, we dont get that from Bergwijn.

 

[UbeAstard]

Lucas does nothing for me. We have seen that run a thousand times to no avail. In fact he held onto it too long today before he played son in. The pass was there to be played far quicker than he did. I was screaming at the tv.

Even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut. He got away with it today. He's shite.

He does but hes not the only one that holds the ball too long sometimes.

 

[Serpico]

Win and we stlil seem to go backwards in the league. Jose needs to lighten up,, he looks so miserable at times it must rub off on the players. Well done today moving forward I hope. Next...

 

[walworthyid]

Djimi Traore has a champions league winners medal.

Okay, and your point is.....?

 

[C0YS]

Moura is one of those that need upgrading he struggles with end product consistently.

Look I don’t neccese

For all my complaining about the manager the idea that he has lost the players is not born out today there was plenty of effort from all the players . My only gripe is Moura all that skill all that effort but the final pass and the shot at the end of a great run is just not there it is such a pity because if he could complete a pass and shoot on goal at the end of a run things would be so much better but I find myself unable to fault his effort .

look Moura has his limitations but weird time to criticise him for no end product considering he set up the second goal. His first full season here his productivity was actually very good, normally he played in a more central role, I never like his playing too out wide because he doesn’t have a good enough cross to really be effective there. I don’t think he’s an exceptional player or anything but today he did produce a goal so it’s hard to complain about end product.

 

[Serpico]

What is it with criticism of individual players. Certain players seem to get the brunt of it regarsless of thier performance. Sissokos been mention and he didn't even play.. We outplayed WBA with a positive performance and they seem to get the credit for being "shit". For ne , whan certain players line up, I want it to be thier best game and not wanting them to fail because Tottenham fail. Its been tough recently and hard to watch, today was positive and evry player played thier part incl Jose.

 

[Serpico]

Quite the opposite for me Japhet. The performance today was a marked improvement precisely because the players put the effort in. The intensity was higher, the movement off the ball much better (no traffic cones out there today), the cohesion, communication and intent to work as a team all improved. JM hasn’t magically coached that into them in 2 days, they just raised their effort levels and it showed.

They ran around alot because it was cold.

 

[SpursSince1980]

But they haven't ignored his instructions week after week, that's just your perception based on the last few games where they have.

I've explained this innumerable times, against City, the goons, Leeds and others we have pressed intelligently, making teams play where we want them to both to render their attacks less potent, and to set them up to play into the traps we set.

We did all this in most games up until Anfield. After that game it just stopped for no immediately apparent reason, other than the players just stopped doing it on the pitch.

Do you honestly believe the coaching staff had the players in after the loss at Anfield and said to then "right lads, the system has worked up until now, but because Liverpool locked a win against us we've decided it no longer works so we're tearing it up. What we want you to do now is sit on the 18 yard line, yes Pierre, you as well, stand stationary when we win the ball back and not have an attempt on goal until we go a goal behind. We'll win the league that way boys, trust us."

Now JM might have mishandled the management of the players themselves in some way though, from a little insider rumour I've got from my Brother, there's a bad element within the playing staff, led by one player in particular.

Not naming any names, but it rhymes with Gary Spinks

Pinch of salt of course, but smoke/fire and all that...

I just knew that Alfie Devine kid was a troublemaker!

Pinch or not... if slightly true, that is mightily dissapointing. And childish. He should buckle down and focus on impressing the gaffer in training and in games. He has no right to be bitching, as he has been distinctly average this season. Who does he think he should be starting ahead of? And if his turdish attitude is infecting some of the other players like a virus, he should join Danny Rose in purgatory. As that poisonous behavior is so counterproductive and horribly selfish.

Players can at the very least try hard, even if they aren’t keen on the tactics or manager. They are paid handsomely to do a job, 90% of people would self their left nad to have what he has, yet acts entitled and immature.

I have had managers who were completely in over their heads, but I get paid very well for what I do, and consider it fortunate and a privilege. I wouldn’t go about trying to create a toxic atmosphere, just cos I might feel a little disgruntled. It is no wonder some of the attitude of the players recently has been indifferent at times.

Fucker should either get with the program or volunteer to buddy up with Rose. He can choose to be a solution, and not a squeaky wheel. That is to say, if there is any truth to the rumor.

 

[Trix]

Great with 3 points today. And we dominated, as we should.
But there is still a long way to go.
Im not shure our shaky defense would cope with facing a better team.
And the Kane/son dependence is worrying .

You know this is a fairly new phenomena right?

In the olden days, and by the olden days I mean pre
Man City really. Teams often won the title by virtue of the fact they had great partnerships that scored the vast majority of goals.

Shearer and Sutton, Cole and Yorke, Drogba and Lampard etc etc etc. Yes you need a few chipped in by others, but it's not the big deal the media make it out to be and that's he sound-bite you've bought into.

 

[Trix]

I saw him and Sacramento waving them up the pitch a couple of times today as they were too deep.

It's been happening all the time. Some people just don't want to see/believe it.

 

[Trix]

Eh he does . How can you neg rep a fact .

You new here? With some on here the only facts are the ones bobbling around in their overactive imaginations.