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Match Threads Spurs vs West Brom- Match Thread - Day 22

Match Prediction

  • Spurs to Win

    Votes: 71 63.4%
  • Spurs to Lose

    Votes: 15 13.4%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 19 17.0%
  • Goal-less Draw

    Votes: 7 6.3%

  • Total voters
    112
  • Poll closed .

Everlasting Seconds

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You know this is a fairly new phenomena right?

In the olden days, and by the olden days I mean pre
Man City really. Teams often won the title by virtue of the fact they had great partnerships that scored the vast majority of goals.

Shearer and Sutton, Cole and Yorke, Drogba and Lampard etc etc etc. Yes you need a few chipped in by others, but it's not the big deal the media make it out to be and that's he sound-bite you've bought into.
Very good point. I would add to it that I’m not worried. If we truly only had two players who *could* score, that would be a problem. But we have many players who do know how to score, and I’m sure we’ll see that throughout the spring.
 

Coyboy

The Double of 1961 is still The Double
Dec 3, 2004
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Reckon every club academy wants to produce players like Foden but how often does it happen. Not an expert on City but how many youngsters have they produced , seems most of their team is a product of the cheque book.

Happy to stand corrected but I don't think there has been anyone since the Emirati took over. Richards and Hart came through (albeit Hart was signed from Shrewsbury I think) before then I believe.
 

degoose

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Jul 3, 2004
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These match threads after matches don't ever change. Under Poch and others and under Mourinho there is just so much complaining if we win or lose. How about some positivity.

The WBA game was much better, spurs pushed higher up the pitch, dominated possession and scored some nice goals. Lamela and Lucas having been brought in added some much better energy to the team and rotated constantly which kept the WBA defence occupied and both helped make a lot of space and didn't give the opposing team a break. Aurier also made some great runs and passes. I'd say everybody had a decent game today.

I'm all for calling a player out if they were really bad but nobody had a bad one.
 

14/04/91

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Jan 13, 2006
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Much better energy, much better movement and full backs (Aurier particularly) much further forward. Obviously a lot of that was down to WBA playing 45----1 and giving us so much space but you can only beat what's in front of you.
We probably haven't learnt too much today, Wednesday will be much more interesting. I'd like to see us as aggressive and playing on the front foot at the right times.
 

Trix

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Very good point. I would add to it that I’m not worried. If we truly only had two players who *could* score, that would be a problem. But we have many players who do know how to score, and I’m sure we’ll see that throughout the spring.
Yeah the issue is they are currently our best 2 players or at least most effective. Whenever a team loses their best player it's a struggle. You only have to look at last season's champions to see that. It's the same for pretty much all teams.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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It's been happening all the time. Some people just don't want to see/believe it.

You can't get an effect from the odd wave and shout if the tactic of pressing hasn't been coached in to them during the week...
 

spursville

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West Brom were lucky to get 0 if you ask me they’re a shower of shite with a proper football dinosaur in the dugout. We’ve got Jurassic Park, they’ve got One Million Years BC with Raquel Welch
We should definitely sign Raquel Welch. Would distract the opposition enormously.
 

Trix

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You can't get an effect from the odd wave and shout if the tactic of pressing hasn't been coached in to them during the week...
Where are you getting this ' they aren't being coached it' from. I mean I'm not at training sessions so I don't know what's being worked on, but I find it impossible to believe that Jose and his team would stand on the touchline week after week telling them to press, watching them fall back deeper and deeper, and yet not address it in training.

So where is this training information coming from?

The facts as I know them.

Jose and team are shouting at them in games to be more proactive.

Jose is telling us in his press conferences he is asking them to be more proactive.

Kane has said the dropping off is not coming from coaching instruction and it's a player mentality thing.

Then we have the rumour.

The players aren't being trained to do it.


So how the fuck do we manage it some weeks and not others??

We pressed fine against Sheff U then shit against Brighton and pool then fine again.

I know, perhaps they are trained some weeks then completely forget everything they've learnt for the week after.

I mean it's such a short sighted shitty way of laying blame based on as far as I'm aware nothing.
 
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SpartanSpur

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Where are you getting this ' they aren't being coached it' from. I mean I'm not at training sessions so I don't know what's being worked on, but I find it impossible to believe that Jose and his team would stand on the touchline week after week telling them to press, watching them fall back deeper and deeper, and yet not address it in training.

So where is this training information coming from?

The facts as I know them.

Jose and team are shouting at them in games to be more proactive.

Jose is telling us in his press conferences he is asking them to be more proactive.

Kane has said the dropping off is not coming from coaching instruction and it's a player mentality thing.

Then we have the rumour.

The players aren't being trained to do it.


So how the fuck do we manage it some weeks and not others??

We pressed fine against Sheff U then shit against Brighton and pool then fine again.

I know, perhaps they are trained some weeks then completely forget everything they've learnt for the week after.

I mean it's such a short sighted shitty way of laying blame based on as far as I'm aware nothing.

Found the Sanchez quotes from Ally Gold today quite interesting.

Admitted Kane helps to remind the players to push up. He's now not only our best player he's also the one helping to get Jose's message across. Ties in with the reports of discontent suggesting that Kane and Hugo are still supportive of him.

We obviously need more players to step up, which is probably why Jose had so much praise for Lucas and Lamela's contribution yesterday as 'team men'.

I still think Jose has a hand in some of our problems but at the same time there are clear mentality issues in our squad and they get worse when Harry is out. Let's hope he stays fit for the rest of the season!
 

Trix

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Found the Sanchez quotes from Ally Gold today quite interesting.

Admitted Kane helps to remind the players to push up. He's now not only our best player he's also the one helping to get Jose's message across. Ties in with the reports of discontent suggesting that Kane and Hugo are still supportive of him.

We obviously need more players to step up, which is probably why Jose had so much praise for Lucas and Lamela's contribution yesterday as 'team men'.

I still think Jose has a hand in some of our problems but at the same time there are clear mentality issues in our squad and they get worse when Harry is out. Let's hope he stays fit for the rest of the season!
Yeah I'm certainly not trying to absolve Jose of all blame. It's clear he's made big mistakes at times. It's also clear he's being blamed for stuff that's not under his control and there is stuff being completely fabricated to enforce those points.
 

SpartanSpur

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Yeah I'm certainly not trying to absolve Jose of all blame. It's clear he's made big mistakes at times. It's also clear he's being blamed for stuff that's not under his control and there is stuff being completely fabricated to enforce those points.

Maybe not fabricated but most likely exaggerated. I do believe he's behind the times when it comes to build up and pressing systems but not to the extent of the terrible performances we saw against Brighton and Chelsea. I think Kane and Lloris being older heads believe in the winning mentality that Jose brings and probably agree most of the time with the analysis and criticisms he makes after games. We saw in AON that Kane was unhappy with the team at times. Helps when you are a top performer and likely do not get criticised as much too I guess.

Some people when criticised prefer to blame others than themselves, especially if you feel they aren't fully pulling their weight in some areas either. It seems quite a few in our squad are like that and once a couple get their heads down it spreads.

As we've seen with us under Jose when everyone applies themselves 100% to the system it can work effectively, it's just when things go bad (or key components go missing) they get really really bad.
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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Where are you getting this ' they aren't being coached it' from. I mean I'm not at training sessions so I don't know what's being worked on, but I find it impossible to believe that Jose and his team would stand on the touchline week after week telling them to press, watching them fall back deeper and deeper, and yet not address it in training.

So where is this training information coming from?

The facts as I know them.

Jose and team are shouting at them in games to be more proactive.

Jose is telling us in his press conferences he is asking them to be more proactive.

Kane has said the dropping off is not coming from coaching instruction and it's a player mentality thing.

Then we have the rumour.

The players aren't being trained to do it.


So how the fuck do we manage it some weeks and not others??

We pressed fine against Sheff U then shit against Brighton and pool then fine again.

I know, perhaps they are trained some weeks then completely forget everything they've learnt for the week after.

I mean it's such a short sighted shitty way of laying blame based on as far as I'm aware nothing.
Sorry, we don't press fine. There was some effort but no cordination or structure when compared with some of the better teams around us.
 

Trix

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Sorry, we don't press fine. There was some effort but no cordination or structure when compared with some of the better teams around us.
No we didn't press as well as City or Pool etc do. Fact is under Jose we never will it's not his philosophy.

So the question now is, is Jose not coaching pressing? or is he not coaching us to press like they do? I'm sure the answer to the second is no.

But then he won't be bringing in players to do that either. If he gets the Summer window it will be more players to fit what his team's image is.

Hespite a good summer window we were still a few pieces of the jigsaw missing, until he has those you won't see how he fully wants us to play.
 

walworthyid

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Oct 25, 2004
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But they haven't ignored his instructions week after week, that's just your perception based on the last few games where they have.

I've explained this innumerable times, against City, the goons, Leeds and others we have pressed intelligently, making teams play where we want them to both to render their attacks less potent, and to set them up to play into the traps we set.

We did all this in most games up until Anfield. After that game it just stopped for no immediately apparent reason, other than the players just stopped doing it on the pitch.

Do you honestly believe the coaching staff had the players in after the loss at Anfield and said to then "right lads, the system has worked up until now, but because Liverpool locked a win against us we've decided it no longer works so we're tearing it up. What we want you to do now is sit on the 18 yard line, yes Pierre, you as well, stand stationary when we win the ball back and not have an attempt on goal until we go a goal behind. We'll win the league that way boys, trust us."

Now JM might have mishandled the management of the players themselves in some way though, from a little insider rumour I've got from my Brother, there's a bad element within the playing staff, led by one player in particular.

Not naming any names, but it rhymes with Gary Spinks :whistle:

Pinch of salt of course, but smoke/fire and all that...
Its my perception of 99% of the games since Jose has been in charge not just the last few!
 

blankom

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Jose has said he isn't impressed with the next crop of youngsters coming through. (I think it's not including Skipp, Sessegnon ect out on loan)
It's the ones younger like Devine and Scarlett that are catching his eye. They are also now training with the first team
He said that?!? If true, then what a stupid comment.
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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Maybe not fabricated but most likely exaggerated. I do believe he's behind the times when it comes to build up and pressing systems but not to the extent of the terrible performances we saw against Brighton and Chelsea. I think Kane and Lloris being older heads believe in the winning mentality that Jose brings and probably agree most of the time with the analysis and criticisms he makes after games. We saw in AON that Kane was unhappy with the team at times. Helps when you are a top performer and likely do not get criticised as much too I guess.

Some people when criticised prefer to blame others than themselves, especially if you feel they aren't fully pulling their weight in some areas either. It seems quite a few in our squad are like that and once a couple get their heads down it spreads.

As we've seen with us under Jose when everyone applies themselves 100% to the system it can work effectively, it's just when things go bad (or key components go missing) they get really really bad.
Pretty much what I’ve been saying from the off. It’s not the system, it’s the application.
 

Ionman34

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Sorry, we don't press fine. There was some effort but no cordination or structure when compared with some of the better teams around us.
Yes we do, we don’t go “gegenpress” in the opposition third to take the ball off them there, we press to force the pass into areas where we can pick it off when they’re further up the pitch, giving us room to get in behind. We’ve done this multiple times this season when the players are on song, Christ it’s been highlighted on the TV enough times!
 
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