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double0

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I don't think it's over training...
When your body is training at a level of intensity the body adapts. For me it's a culture of having a weak mentality, look at our record against certain teams. It's clearly a mental thing imo that's why it's so important to break these long outstanding strangle holds like winning at Stamford Bridge, finishing above Arsenal, winning more at Old Trafford Emirates and Anfield.

From all those hoodoo we've broken we now finishing above Liverpool ManU, now ManC since the Oil money and Chelski although we did that the season they won the CL.


We must break St Tottering day no fucking excuse why it's come down to the last game is telling on our mentality finishing above 4th and Arsenal in one hit, mentally will be a good thing for us plus break two hoodoo in one.


I apologise for all this hoodoo talk but it does make you wonder.
 
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Metalhead

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Nov 24, 2013
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I don't think it's over training...
When your body is training at a level of intensity the body adapts. For me it's a culture of having a weak mentality, look at our record against certain teams. It's clearly a mental thing imo that's why it's so important to break these long outstanding strangle holds like winning at Stamford Bridge, finishing above Arsenal, winning more at Old Trafford Emirates and Anfield.

From all those hoodoo we've broken we now finishing above Liverpool ManU, now ManC since the Oil money and Chelski although we did that the season they won the CL.


We must break St Tottering day no fucking excuse why it's come down to the last game is telling on our mentality finishing above 4th and Arsenal in one hit, mentally will be a good thing for us plus break two hoodoo in one.


I apologise for all this hoodoo talk but it does make you wonder.
You're not the only one to think that. I understood Poch's comments post-match about the fans needing to stop worrying about Arsenal and that's true but I think that a lot of us will keep obsessing about finishing above Arsenal until it happens.
 

Sevens

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I do fear we've been sussed a bit. Starting with the West Ham defeat.

Lloris is a great keeper (our best since Clemence) but he is terrible with the ball at his feet, especially when under pressure. Dier has done a great job this year but again when put under real pressure he struggles to retain possession.

Basically teams have sussed that if they press us hard we'll struggle.

We do need to learn to adapt our play. We seemingly are good and know how to play one way. If that way is nullified, we struggle. It's the main reason we've struggled to see out games. We are not very good at shutting up shop if we don't have the ball. Our brilliant defensive record is as much down to our possession stats as it is how well our defenders play. When we have a team that presses us and causes us not to have comfortable possession? We struggle.
 

Lamelad

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I think it will be very interesting to see what we can do in home games in another stadium. I love the Lane as much as anyone but I still think the small pitch helps team coming to us on the counter.
 

luka loopy

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It's been a long hard season... Potch trains them hard and plays them hard. They were tired simple as nothing wrong with that. When driving for a title it's easy to get that little extra but after all the chaos and disappointment of the last week it got to them. That is all. What a season though. COYS.
 

fedupyid

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Long season, not a great bench and missing Alli and Dembele was the reason for today's result. I actually want Sky out of the football business because of the Dembele business. Spurs should be taking the FA to court their has been many more serious things that have looked more like eye gouges over the years and no retrospective reaction, Spurs do it and it is a 6 match ban. Alli and Dembele's bans are ridiculous and over the top we should have challenged both of them and if we had to taken them all the way to the top because neither of them should have resulted in bans because in the past nothing has happened to players who this has happened to. The thing is the FA wanted their Lance Armstrong fairytale to happen, so they have had favourable decisions recently and we haven't.
 

Shea

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We've not been clinical enough

We have pretty much dominated every game this year but we've dropped a lot of points we really shouldn't have

Poor goals conceded yes, but more importantly in my eyes we've missed great chances to put those games to bed and that has been very costly

The last 3 games stand out

Yesterday Kane only needs to pass to Lamela on the stroke of half time and he has a practically open net to shot in

Against Chelsea Mason has only the keeper to beat

Against WBA we missed a bunch of key chances to extend our lead


I'm sure all clubs can look at any game and find key moments that changed the out come - but this season it has happened all too often. We've always dropped points because of a single goal and we've always had key moments where goals should have been scored to change that in those games

Added to that our lack of depth - we don't have enough options off the bench to change a game if it is not going our way. We have a great first 11 but we are very weak beyond that and we will need to buy and sell to change this

we are possibly a leader and an additional match winner on the pitch short of completing our puzzle also
 

Drink!Drink!

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think this is just one of those random things, I see the bigger issue in recent games (WBA, Southampton) and in a few games in the first half of the season is that, like many teams, we do struggle if a reasonably well organised team defend deep and plug all gaps down the centre.

We are great, just brilliant, at creating chances by pressing the ball, getting the other team to make a mistake and then attacking very quickly. We are good, but not world beaters at trying to unpick the door when the other team has fallen back with everyone in position. We sometimes fall into a trap of passively recycling the ball around the park, in front of the defence. We create a lot of space out wide for the full backs to use, but even though Kane is good in the air, the full backs often hesitate or refuse to put in early crosses because there looks such a low percentage chance of our players winning higher balls (like yesterday, none of Eriksen, Lamela, Mason or Son could add an aerial threat coming into the box in support of Kane). With breaking in through the upstairs not seen as an option, with no space behind the opposition defence for through balls, we end up with the only option of picking our way through the ground floor level.

So we're still not bad in this circumstances, certainly could challenge top 4 on a regular basis, but to do something special I think we need someone in that squad who could disrupt or use pure skill and vision to create chances when the bus has been parked.

Ramble/
 

Sir Henry

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Aug 18, 2008
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If 1 defeat in 7 is a strange reversal of fortunes, I hope for more of the same thanks.

Issue is, most of you have been spoilt this season, and now you're expecting it. Some of you are fickle as fuck.
 

kungfugrip

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If 1 defeat in 7 is a strange reversal of fortunes, I hope for more of the same thanks.

Issue is, most of you have been spoilt this season, and now you're expecting it. Some of you are fickle as fuck.

I have to disagree mate ......one defeat in seven is fact, but when you're chasing down the title at the end of the season, two points from nine having led in all three games is a bit of a collapse, no matter what way you dress it up.
 

Gbspurs

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Jan 27, 2011
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Based on the fact that last season we conceded so many goals and this season we improved massively I'm pretty confident in Poch's ability to identify weaknesses and improve our team.
 

Sir Henry

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Aug 18, 2008
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I have to disagree mate ......one defeat in seven is fact, but when you're chasing down the title at the end of the season, two points from nine having led in all three games is a bit of a collapse, no matter what way you dress it up.

That was 5 points from 9 when chasing down the title. The saints game doesnt count as the title is already gone.

I'm dressing up the facts, not opinions or feelings. I'm dressing up that weve now scored the most goals in any PL season, best attack, best defence, most shots at goal, most shots on target, least shots allowed on goal, we average over 17 shots per game this season, 13 clean sheets, 1 defeat in 7.... yet you have people saying weve had a reverse in fortunes. Baffles my mind.
 

E17yid

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If you had to put your balls on who's finish 2nd you'd go for Spurs, surely.

We've got the win and the draw, have a far superior side and Newcastle look like they'll have nothing to play for whereas we, on the other hand, do.

Objectively, I don't see why there is so much shitting the bed. Yes, stranger things have happened and we could lose and arsenal win but like I said, if I was forced to put my bollocks on it I would go for us.
 
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